Who Won't Opt For The Vaccine

[Murrmurr]

Yes, absolutely. From what I have read we did a good job of fighting the pandemic given the limited knowledge and resources we had at the time. I'd like to learn more about it.

Took a while for people to really grasp the scope and science of the thing (as in 2020) and some were fighting it by wearing little bags of garlic around their necks and setting out jars of sliced onions in their bedrooms and stuff like that.

 

[Treacle]

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/news/uk/oxfords-90-vaccine-finding-was-only-in-younger-age-groups/

/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8994363/Severely-obese-people-Covid-vaccine-elderly-Brits.html

But if the vaccine was only tested on those who were healthy and under 55, why are the first in line over 80 and those with health issues high on the list?

 

[Becky1951]

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/news/uk/oxfords-90-vaccine-finding-was-only-in-younger-age-groups/

/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8994363/Severely-obese-people-Covid-vaccine-elderly-Brits.html

But if the vaccine was only tested on those who were healthy and under 55, why are the first in line over 80 and those with health issues high on the list?

“Given that many vaccines are less effective in older people, we have to be even more cautious about taking this 90% efficacy at face value, at least for older people.”

Also for those with preexisting conditions.

Maybe those over 80 and those with health conditions are considered expendable. Sort of makes you wonder.

 

[Jules]

Well, it was free for him. He isn't a Canadian, so I don't know how much he paid in "taxes" while in Canada.

Canadians know our medical coverage isn’t free. We’ve all paid into it, some more than others. I don’t mind in the least. It’s very few dollars compared to the US. There’s no fear of going to the hospital or a doctor. Even if you have a bill for some reason, it won’t leave you bankrupt.

Americans & those from other countries can’t just come here and expect free medical care. There are those who have tried.

Schiff may receive a bill, though I doubt it. He will be covered by his Actors Guild or similar insurance purchased through the tv production company.

 

[Phoenix]

One thing we know for certain is that the pandemic is lethal. None of us are exempt. We can die without the vaccine. We can live but pass it on to others and they die, or we can take responsibility for our behaviors and take the vaccine and practice all the safety protocols.. Our safety and the safety of those we encounter are up to us. Please listen to the overstressed medical profession. They risk their lives every day for us. They are breaking now, because we are so selfish. A lot of older people are dying all over the place. Younger ones too. Please take the vaccine. Please.

 

[Sunny]

Our paper just had an article about the problems that will be caused by the fact that the current version of the vaccine, which will probably be used first, is a double dose. It talks about the horrendous logistics of scheduling a double dose for inmates in prisons, people in hospitals and nursing homes, etc., who might not still be there when it's time for the second dose. So, then what do they do with the second dose? Use it as someone else's first dose? Or could it turn out that one dose is actually enough, to begin with?

And some people will decline to go back for the second dose because their arm was sore, and other side effects that they don't want to repeat. Wow, it's mind boggling to think of what administering this vaccine to millions of people will entail.

 

[win231]

One thing we know for certain is that the pandemic is lethal. None of us are exempt. We can die without the vaccine. We can live but pass it on to others and they die, or we can take responsibility for our behaviors and take the vaccine and practice all the safety protocols.. Our safety and the safety of those we encounter are up to us. Please listen to the overstressed medical profession. They risk their lives every day for us. They are breaking now, because we are so selfish. A lot of older people are dying all over the place. Younger ones too. Please take the vaccine. Please.

Ah.....so you're the one who designed those banners that say, "If you don't get a flu shot, you're making others sick."

 

[ProTruckDriver]

My Oncologist told me "Do Not Get It". With Leukemia (CLL) and Agammaglobulinemia he told me it will be a few years before I can get it. Looks like I'll be wearing a face mask when I go out and staying home for a long time. I do get the seasonal Flu shot every year. I'll sit back and watch the effects the vaccine has on other people for the next few years. Hopefully all will go well.

 

[Butterfly]

I'm glad to know that. Why push a vaccine on people if it can be treated with medicine? It takes years to formulate and test a vaccine that will be safe. I remember this from the polio vaccine. How long people waited.

In my book, it is a heck of a lot better to prevent the disease in the first place than to get it, be sick with it and then treat it. Also remember covid can cause lasting damage to lungs, etc. And who's saying that drugs to treat it would be safe, either? Most drugs come with a whole array of side effects, some mild, some not so.

 

[Butterfly]

“Given that many vaccines are less effective in older people, we have to be even more cautious about taking this 90% efficacy at face value, at least for older people.”

Also for those with preexisting conditions.

Maybe those over 80 and those with health conditions are considered expendable. Sort of makes you wonder.

Or maybe it is because those folks are the most likely to die if they DO get covid, so it makes sense to protect them first?

 

[win231]

One thing we know for certain is that the pandemic is lethal. None of us are exempt. We can die without the vaccine. We can live but pass it on to others and they die, or we can take responsibility for our behaviors and take the vaccine and practice all the safety protocols.. Our safety and the safety of those we encounter are up to us. Please listen to the overstressed medical profession. They risk their lives every day for us. They are breaking now, because we are so selfish. A lot of older people are dying all over the place. Younger ones too. Please take the vaccine. Please.

^^^ Programming is effective for some. You have an overpowering need to control.
A drug/vaccine/medical test is an individual decision. You are free to make yours. Others are free to make theirs. You cannot make others' health decisions.

 

[chic]

In my book, it is a heck of a lot better to prevent the disease in the first place than to get it, be sick with it and then treat it. Also remember covid can cause lasting damage to lungs, etc. And who's saying that drugs to treat it would be safe, either? Most drugs come with a whole array of side effects, some mild, some not so.

In the interim period, between now and a safe vaccine which more than half the population will willingly take, it's a good idea to have medicine to help treat this.

I'm surprised, or maybe I shouldn't be, that those in control are pushing a vaccine at people instead of medicine. And who pays for all this financially? Who pays for our vaccines? Who stands to make the most money from this? I've asked these questions before and nobody touches them, but they are valid questions. Someone is going to make a bundle by scaring people half to death about this virus and then shoving a vaccine in their face. I'd like to know who?

 

[charry]

We won’t have the vaccine.....we don’t go in for any of the guinea pig tests....


I’m told they are now giving flu vaccines from America that havnt even been licience yet

 

[charry]

My Oncologist told me "Do Not Get It". With Leukemia (CLL) and Agammaglobulinemia he told me it will be a few years before I can get it. Looks like I'll be wearing a face mask when I go out and staying home for a long time. I do get the seasonal Flu shot every year. I'll sit back and watch the effects the vaccine has on other people for the next few years. Hopefully all will go well.

I’m with you there.....mask and solo.....

 

[Shalimar]

Ah.....so you're the one who designed those banners that say, "If you don't get a flu shot, you're making others sick."

Wow, just wow.

 

[Shalimar]

^^^ Programming is effective for some. You have an overpowering need to control.
A drug/vaccine/medical test is an individual decision. You are free to make yours. Others are free to make theirs. You cannot make others' health decisions.

Speaking as a person who is somewhat knowledgeable about control issues, I think her words speak to compassion and concern for others rather than any need to control. This is the time of plague, we need to stand strong together, whether or not we are always in agreement.

 

[ProTruckDriver]

Has anyone seen this report:

https://www.who.int/csr/don/06-november-2020-mink-associated-sars-cov2-denmark/en/

"Available evidence suggests that the virus is predominantly transmitted between people through respiratory droplets and close contact, but there are also examples of transmission between humans and animals. Several animals that have been in contact with infected humans, such as minks, dogs, domestic cats, lions and tigers, have tested positive for SARS-CoV-2."

"Preliminary findings indicate that this particular mink-associated variant identified in both minks and the 12 human cases has moderately decreased sensitivity to neutralizing antibodies."

From what I'm reading in other reports is that they haven't even started on a vaccine for this new strand of virus caused by COVID 19. It's a scary world we live in now a days.

Edit: Sorry, I see there is a thread on this mink virus already. ( I haven't had my morning coffee. Next time I'll look first before posting )

 

[Warrigal]

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/news/uk/oxfords-90-vaccine-finding-was-only-in-younger-age-groups/

/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8994363/Severely-obese-people-Covid-vaccine-elderly-Brits.html

But if the vaccine was only tested on those who were healthy and under 55, why are the first in line over 80 and those with health issues high on the list?

First in line will be the frontline healthcare workers, and rightly so. They are the ones who have risked their own health to care for COVID patients and who being burnt out in the large numbers. Next should be essential workers: the transport workers, cleaners, teachers and others without whom businesses and industries cannot function. We need these people, and their families to be safe. Only after these people have been offered the vaccine should it roll out to retirees who can protect themselves by social isolating.

 

[Sassycakes]

That's what I was thinking since I take prescription drugs for a few issues I have like High Blood pressure and diabetes.
What if people are taking other prescription drugs e.g blood pressure tablets. Would the vaccines interfere with those tablets? I was under the impression that the trials were carried out on 'healthy' individuals. Just a thought

That's what I was thinking since I take some prescription drugs for High Blood Pressure and Diabetes.

 

[Sunny]

In the interim period, between now and a safe vaccine which more than half the population will willingly take, it's a good idea to have medicine to help treat this.

I'm surprised, or maybe I shouldn't be, that those in control are pushing a vaccine at people instead of medicine. And who pays for all this financially? Who pays for our vaccines? Who stands to make the most money from this? I've asked these questions before and nobody touches them, but they are valid questions. Someone is going to make a bundle by scaring people half to death about this virus and then shoving a vaccine in their face. I'd like to know who?

Chic, from my very limited knowledge of this subject, I believe that with bacterial infections we have the benefit of "after the fact" antibiotics. There is no such thing for viruses. The best thing we can do against lethal viruses is fight them with vaccines. That's why we have no magic cure for smallpox or polio, but we do have vaccines against them.

And anyway, wouldn't you rather just not get sick in the first place?

 

[StarSong]

Ah.....so you're the one who designed those banners that say, "If you don't get a flu shot, you're making others sick."

You've mentioned this before. I've never seen such a banner, nor does an Internet search yield a single hit for it.

We won’t have the vaccine.....we don’t go in for any of the guinea pig tests....


I’m told they are now giving flu vaccines from America that haven't even been licience yet

I've never heard this. CDC and FDA approval and licensing are required for all vaccinations administered in the US, including flu vaccines and up-and-coming COVID vaccines.

 

[Liberty]

In the interim period, between now and a safe vaccine which more than half the population will willingly take, it's a good idea to have medicine to help treat this.

I'm surprised, or maybe I shouldn't be, that those in control are pushing a vaccine at people instead of medicine. And who pays for all this financially? Who pays for our vaccines? Who stands to make the most money from this? I've asked these questions before and nobody touches them, but they are valid questions. Someone is going to make a bundle by scaring people half to death about this virus and then shoving a vaccine in their face. I'd like to know who?

My friend from WHO says the vaccines are like winning the lottery for the makers. Its the "mother load".Of course, that doesn't mean we shouldn't take them - just because big Pharma makes a lot of dough.

Think looking at the cautions on the vaccine sign sheet may tell us some things. For instance, the current flu shots call attention to those that are allergic to eggs and GBS. Also, the ones that will be available to us early here are formulated using "new" technology and I don't think we can compare them to what we've had before. So much money has been thrown at this and never before in history have so many scientists joined the "hunt" and development of
a monumental vaccine goal.

 

[ClassicRockr]

Boy, America sure is torn apart by different issues this year.

As far as this virus goes, American's have to try and be on the same page, however that just isn't going to happen. My 76 yr. old SIL, won't get the Senior Flu Shot, but definitely gets sick when she is a "substitute teacher". When she would tell us, "I'm sick again", we try to change the subject. We have gotten tired of saying, "we've told you before when this keeps happening".

Since she hasn't got the Senior Shot, this Thanksgiving, her two daughters wouldn't let her come to their homes for Thanksgiving. She misses her daughters and grandkids, but we all done a Zoom for Thanksgiving. Better than nothing!

 

[win231]

Speaking as a person who is somewhat knowledgeable about control issues, I think her words speak to compassion and concern for others rather than any need to control. This is the time of plague, we need to stand strong together, whether or not we are always in agreement.

Whether or not you're knowledgeable, you are off the mark. Anyone who tells others to "do as I do" is a control freak.
And "Standing Strong" is not the issue.

 

[win231]

You've mentioned this before. I've never seen such a banner, nor does an Internet search yield a single hit for it.


I've never heard this. CDC and FDA approval and licensing are required for all vaccinations administered in the US, including flu vaccines and up-and-coming COVID vaccines.

Kaiser Permanente in Woodland Hills, CA hung the banner above the walkway that goes to their parking lot & also above the main entrance to the facility in flu seasons past. There is major construction going on there now, so the banner may not be there.