Sincere Vaccination question

StarSong

StarSong

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At this point we are dealing with 3000 daily Covid deaths in the US alone. Throughout the world most countries struggle with overwhelmed hospitals, main street businesses in near wreckage, travel almost nonexistent, children's school experiences that would have been unrecognizable a year ago, and many are largely trapped in our homes.

What specifically or roughly how long will it take for the vaccine-hestitant to decide that the risk is worth the benefits?

I ask this question with absolute sincerity.
 

"What specifically or roughly how long will it take for the vaccine-hestitant to decide that the risk is worth the benefits?"

For me I can't give a time yet. I've not decided yet if the risk to me is worth the supposed benefit as the second dose hasn't been given to many people yet. Until several thousand have been given the second dose and time has elapsed to review side effects for it.
 

Becky1951 said:
"What specifically or roughly how long will it take for the vaccine-hestitant to decide that the risk is worth the benefits?"

For me I can't give a time yet. I've not decided yet if the risk to me is worth the supposed benefit as the second dose hasn't been given to many people yet. Until several thousand have been given the second dose and time has elapsed to review side effects for it.
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So would you guess 3 months, 6 months, a year, 3 years? Not trying to pin you down, just trying to get a sense of where you're at.
 
StarSong said:
At this point we are dealing with 3000 daily Covid deaths in the US alone. Throughout the world most countries struggle with overwhelmed hospitals, main street businesses in near wreckage, travel almost nonexistent, children's school experiences that would have been unrecognizable a year ago, and many are largely trapped in our homes.

What specifically or roughly how long will it take for the vaccine-hestitant to decide that the risk is worth the benefits?

I ask this question with absolute sincerity.
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Could you be trying to convince others to make the same decision you make by asking a question that implies that those who don't are not as intelligent as you are?
 
StarSong said:
At this point we are dealing with 3000 daily Covid deaths in the US alone. Throughout the world most countries struggle with overwhelmed hospitals, main street businesses in near wreckage, travel almost nonexistent, children's school experiences that would have been unrecognizable a year ago, and many are largely trapped in our homes.

What specifically or roughly how long will it take for the vaccine-hestitant to decide that the risk is worth the benefits?

I ask this question with absolute sincerity.
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A long time.

1-2 years minimum, and even with that said, I have my reservations whether I'll get it.

My husband is in the same camp as me.

Edited to correct my terrible spelling.
 
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win231 said:
LOL! "Not trying to pin you down," while asking a question that pins you down. 😂
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No, I'm not. I was hoping for a sense of what seemed reasonable to her. Was she thinking a year, maybe more, or just a few months to see if there are numerous problems with allergic reaction.

@Aunt Marg answered the question with a time frame that she thinks is reasonable for vetting this vaccine. That's what I was asking for.
 
win231 said:
Could you be trying to convince others to make the same decision you make by asking a question that implies that those who don't are not as intelligent as you are?
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Please don't put words in my mouth or presume motives in my post. I'm implying nothing about anyone's intelligence, merely asking some questions to gain a better understanding of where people are and why they're hesitant.
 
I am not accusing specific post here just ask people to open their thoughts that maybe someone is not seeing the whole picture about this.

It never fails to amaze me that some who do or are going to do ( insert behavior/ item here) .................seem to assume there is only one reason others are not aligned with what some view as the "right" way of thinking. media perpetuates that as well ......telling us that only ignorant wont do ( insert whatever). Seems like group think mentality.

In a zoom meeting at work a co-worker said there are two types of people those desperate for a vaccine the those whom need to be "re-educated" ............needless to say that went over like a lead balloon ........the boss pulled him off the call to talk with him.
Perhaps if ALL people thought exactly the same you might get a solid answer......


Do some Honestly believe that the only Reason is people scared of a rushed process?

Perhaps that many "experts" have been wrong more then once in this thing has some thinking this is not the best move. There have already been problems and deaths with some from the first shot ..

Perhaps others KNOW their own situation........... like being allergic to many items commonly used in many vaccines.... Perhaps they HAD the disease already so why do they need a shot...... if natural immunity response does not last ....then why would this vaccine last? We simply DO not know how many many have had this already with mild so no symptoms.

As we have now been told it is mutating quickly perhaps the vaccine which was designed for version #1 .....does not work on #2 or #3 ?
I am sure I missed more reasons or ideas of why a person may not want this shot...... but I do not believe in a one size fits all idea or answer .......
 
StarSong said:
Please don't put words in my mouth or presume motives in my post. I'm implying nothing about anyone's intelligence, merely asking some questions to gain a better understanding of where people are and why they're hesitant.
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The way you word the question is obviously your way of saying, "What's wrong with you? Get with it." "What will it take for you to do as I do?"
 
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I don't now really. People are still saying it's a hoax and on a major network YouTube video I watched about cases in California, the comments were awful. People stating it's the same thing every week, over blown, I don't see the evidence, blah blah blah. Really stupid crap.

As someone who gets inches from people known to have (or soon found to have) Covid 19, I got the vaccine. Second one due in just over a week. I don't have 100% faith in it, but I got it.
 
StarSong said:
What specifically or roughly how long will it take for the vaccine-hestitant to decide that the risk is worth the benefits?
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For me personally, I will go by the clinical results because I don't have any personal qualifications to determine vaccine safety and I guess I trust science (at least when it is being suspiciously scrutinized by other scientists).

The vaccine trials did not rush the part of the process where they test the vaccine on people, the 'operation warp speed' (and the German version too) rushed the financial investment to enable the vaccine companies to be willing to try (reduced the risk of them losing money).

For the two American vaccines 70,000 people were in the trials. Half got the real vaccines and half were given pretend vaccination. Neither of the American vaccines use attenuated versions of covid so they do not have the risk of those type of vaccines (i.e., not like the Yellow Fever vaccine). The trial volunteers were followed for two and a half months before results were published.
In Pfizer’s Phase III trial, there were 170 total confirmed cases of COVID-19, with 162 of them occurring in the placebo arm (i.e., 8 people who got that vaccine caught Covid anyway). That’s an efficacy rate of approximately 95%.
Moderna’s efficacy rate was approximately 95%, where the number of symptomatic COVID-19 cases in the treatment arm of the trial was only 11 compared to the 185 cases in the placebo arm. While 30 of the 185 cases in the placebo arm developed into a severe case of COVID-19 requiring hospitalization, zero such cases were found in the vaccine arm.
In other news I saw it reported that one of the trial volunteers who got the pretend vaccine died of Covid.

Another factor I use in my own decision-making is my own personal life timeline. I am getting very close to retirement (planning to retire 1 yr before full Social Security retirement age). I have experienced a lot of aging since I reached my 60s and even in the past year I notice a lot less physical endurance. My hopes are to travel after retirement and that takes a certain level of health. I do not know how many more years I will feel frisky enough to travel so I don't want to waste another year needlessly waiting for a higher level of assurance if I don't have to. Especially since I don't depend on having control of my exposure. I have tried to avoid all exposure but things happen (like my furnace broke and the repair guy was in the house for an hour, and like my coworker slipped on the ice and had to make multiple trips for foot x-ray/support boot/etc).

For me I feel enough encouragement from the results of the 35,000 Americans who got the vaccine last August, and of course millions more being added to their ranks now with phase 1a etc.

I wish I didn't have to wait another 3 to 5 months to get my turn.
 
Remy said:
I don't now really. People are still saying it's a hoax and on a major network YouTube video I watched about cases in California, the comments were awful. People stating it's the same thing every week, over blown, I don't see the evidence, blah blah blah. Really stupid crap.

As someone who gets inches from people known to have (or soon found to have) Covid 19, I got the vaccine. Second one due in just over a week. I don't have 100% faith in it, but I got it.
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Just as with flu shots & other health issues, there is NOTHING wrong with getting the vaccine; that's your choice.
The problem is when people try to convince others to make the same choice they made.
 
win231 said:
Just as with flu shots & other health issues, there is NOTHING wrong with getting the vaccine; that's your choice.
The problem is when people try to convince others to make the same choice they made.
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I'm not trying to convince anyone and it didn't sound like the OP was either. However my post here justified why I got the vaccine. I'm 60 and I get up close and personal with Covid 19. It's my job, I have to do it. I have cats to support.
 
Many people have mentioned in this forum that they'll wait to get the vaccine. Those were the people I was addressing in this particular thread, which is why I used the term vaccine-hesitant rather than vaccine-averse.

Not judging any position, just trying to understand more by asking some questions. I was wondering, among the people who say they're waiting, what it is they're waiting for:
More data from the original clinical trials people?
More people being vaccinated so a wider pool?
More time to elapse in case there are delayed adverse reactions?
Something else?
Some combination of these?

I probably could have framed my question better, and for that I apologize.

@Jeni, your points are well made. There are indeed many people who won't get the vaccine because of previous allergic reactions, immunity issues, or other medical issues . Two people very close to me cannot get a vaccine. One because of cancer treatments, the other has had a transplant.

As @Remy said, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. Just trying to understand by asking a question.
 
StarSong said:
At this point we are dealing with 3000 daily Covid deaths in the US alone. Throughout the world most countries struggle with overwhelmed hospitals, main street businesses in near wreckage, travel almost nonexistent, children's school experiences that would have been unrecognizable a year ago, and many are largely trapped in our homes.

What specifically or roughly how long will it take for the vaccine-hestitant to decide that the risk is worth the benefits?

I ask this question with absolute sincerity.
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I have to ask, where did the 3000 daily deaths in the US come from? A quick trip to the calculator shows that to be 1,095,00 deaths per year. Is that how many have died in 2020? (I've been off the grid so I might have missed this news) or is this a 2021 prediction?
I only ask because this week, I had to bring my wife to a local hospital for a stomach virus. Imagine my surprise when I was confronted with an empty hospital and a skeleton staff, yet even here, I keep hearing hospitals are over run with covid patients.
All that said, I have yet to take any vaccine of any kind for years and I don't expect to in the near future.
 
After researching this vaccine and finding the similarities to the ingredients found in the flu vaccine, and consulting with my infectious disease doctor since I have serious medication allergies, he assured me that I'd be wise to get this one. I am fine after this first dose and simply have a little soreness at the injection site since these idiots today bring the needle right to the skin and then push it in. Awful. Supposed to do it as though you are throwing a dart. Fast and clean. But, anyone with doubts should talk to a trusted physician first in my opinion.
 
I looked on CDC website granted the counts on that day i looked ended year on december 26th

Estimated population in 2020 US 328,239,523
all deaths including Covid= 2,902,644
(With covid ) 301,679
death which patient at least had covid diagnosis even if it was NOT main factor.

the hospitals around me are not overrun and want people to come in for procedures so they do not lay off more medical people.
I feel bad for all those areas that are over burdened but tired of people ignoring or assuming it is like that everywhere.
 
squatting dog said:
I have to ask, where did the 3000 daily deaths in the US come from? A quick trip to the calculator shows that to be 1,095,00 deaths per year. Is that how many have died in 2020? (I've been off the grid so I might have missed this news) or is this a 2021 prediction?
I only ask because this week, I had to bring my wife to a local hospital for a stomach virus. Imagine my surprise when I was confronted with an empty hospital and a skeleton staff, yet even here, I keep hearing hospitals are over run with covid patients.
All that said, I have yet to take any vaccine of any kind for years and I don't expect to in the near future.
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That's the current rate according to various trackers: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/arkansas/
 
When it comes to vaccinations I always weigh the benefits and risks of having one versus the risk of not having it.

How great is my personal risk of an adverse reaction to one of the C 19 vaccines compared to my risk of contracting the disease? How would I (and my family) be affected if I were to get COVID?

Can I help to bring the disease under control, possibly to the point of local elimination if I front up for a jab?

Having considered all of the risks and benefits I will happily front up when the vaccine becomes available in Australia. In the mean time I am co-operating with the latest round of restrictions.

Some friends of ours are planning a luncheon next weekend. Current rules in Sydney say that a maximum of 5 guests plus the hosts are allowed. That is two less than the number who have been invited. We are waiting to hear whether the restriction will be eased before then. If not, we will cancel or postpone the gettogether. Do we want to live like this indefinitely? I don't know anyone who does. If the rate of vaccination is high enough we won't have to.
 
StarSong said:
So would you guess 3 months, 6 months, a year, 3 years? Not trying to pin you down, just trying to get a sense of where you're at.
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70,000 people in the Covid vaccine trial. Only half got the vaccine. That's 35,000 people. No serious side effects?
Sounds good right?

Anaphylactic shock is serious, 1 death so far that we know of?

The current 2020 world population is 7.8 billion.

The US just over 331 million people.
It takes years to study a vaccines effects.

35,000 people out of just the US population isn't enough to know how it will effect some people in 3, 6 months, 1, 2, 5 or ten years.
When 165 million in the US have received the vaccine and had extremely few serious side effects, I'll get the vaccine.

I know the world is in a dire situation and understand the rushed vaccine. That's fine for those who wish to take it asap. I personally am in no rush to get a rushed vaccine.

I hope that answers your question.
 
We are absolutely right to want and expect the great majority of other people we are living among to get the vaccine. Until a certain number do, there will be no herd immunity, and while those of us who get the vaccine asap will be (mostly) protected, there will be lots of risk to everyone else, and even a little bit of risk to us. The vaccine is about 95% effective, which still leaves a small window for that miserable killer of a disease to infect us. Which means there will be that much more of the virus floating around in the air we breathe.

Medical experts are giving us every reassurance possible that this vaccine is safe, at least as safe as all the other vaccines and medications we take. Without the vaccine, more people are dying of the disease EVERY DAY than the number killed on 9/11. And that's an acceptable risk, while some of us are fanning ourselves and clutching our pearls, still "not sure" we feel safe taking it? Has anyone even heard of a single fatality due to taking this vaccine?

So the hospitals are overrun and actually turning away patients, including patients with other serious diseases who can't be treated because there are no beds for them? Some hospitals are using triage when deciding whether or not to admit patients. And our economy is in a shambles? And we're willing to let this happen because a certain period of time must be reached before we, in our ignorance, have decided is "sufficient" to prove the vaccine is safe?

I can't be that kind or tolerant of that kind of thinking. I think it is due to one of these causes:

1. Phobias of vaccines, or needles, or both
2. Following advice from non-scientists who literally don't know what they are talking about
3. For some, their religion prevents them from following modern medical science
4. Illogical fears that all those doctors and medical researchers are out to get them
5. Paranoia, in some cases

None of this would bother me or be any of my business, except that the vaccine-hesitant can do some real harm if there are enough of them. Fortunately, there probably aren't. Most people are desperately anxious to receive the vaccine, the sooner the better, especially the "older" segment who have a target on our backs.

So I fervently hope and believe that science will prevail, and we will not be dragged into the dark ages.
 
Becky1951 said:
70,000 people in the Covid vaccine trial. Only half got the vaccine. That's 35,000 people. No serious side effects?
Sounds good right?

Anaphylactic shock is serious, 1 death so far that we know of?

The current 2020 world population is 7.8 billion.

The US just over 331 million people.
It takes years to study a vaccines effects.

35,000 people out of just the US population isn't enough to know how it will effect some people in 3, 6 months, 1, 2, 5 or ten years.
When 165 million in the US have received the vaccine and had extremely few serious side effects, I'll get the vaccine.

I know the world is in a dire situation and understand the rushed vaccine. That's fine for those who wish to take it asap. I personally am in no rush to get a rushed vaccine.

I hope that answers your question.
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Yes, thank you, it does. I appreciate the clear explanation and can certainly understand why you would wait.
 

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