Sincere Vaccination question

StarSong said:
What specifically or roughly how long will it take for the vaccine-hestitant to decide that the risk is worth the benefits?

I ask this question with absolute sincerity.
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The intended audience is(are?) the vaccine-hesitant, I'm not really in that group but as I've already had Covid 19 I'm in no huge rush for the vaccine, at least for the several months that I still have Covid anti-bodies in my system. Of course now we have several Covid mutations now in the wild...gosh, something to occupy 2021 with. :cautious:
 

Dr. Sanjay Gupta was telling people about his experience with the Pfizer vaccine last night. He got his second dose yesterday. BUT he said that even after getting the two doses of the vaccine the vaccinated person can still transmit the disease to others and must continue masking and social distancing etc. :oops:

I, personally, found this very discouraging. So a person who gets vaccinated becomes like a person who is asymptomatic. Kinda like - ME. I cannot see how this is going to help rid the world of covid so enlighten me please if you have the answer.
 

Nathan said:
The intended audience is(are?) the vaccine-hesitant, I'm not really in that group but as I've already had Covid 19 I'm in no huge rush for the vaccine, at least for the several months that I still have Covid anti-bodies in my system. Of course now we have several Covid mutations now in the wild...gosh, something to occupy 2021 with. :cautious:
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That doesn't necessarily mean you have no immunity to the mutations. I'm sure there have been many mutations of the flu virus in the past 38 years & I haven't had any flu since then - with constant exposure.
 
I find it a hard decision to make whether to get the vaccination or not, but thinking about all my nephew has been going through after contracting the virus, I most likely will get the vaccination.
 
StarSong said:
Please don't put words in my mouth or presume motives in my post. I'm implying nothing about anyone's intelligence, merely asking some questions to gain a better understanding of where people are and why they're hesitant.
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You already know why people are hesitant.
 
Sunny said:
We are absolutely right to want and expect the great majority of other people we are living among to get the vaccine. Until a certain number do, there will be no herd immunity, and while those of us who get the vaccine asap will be (mostly) protected, there will be lots of risk to everyone else, and even a little bit of risk to us. The vaccine is about 95% effective, which still leaves a small window for that miserable killer of a disease to infect us. Which means there will be that much more of the virus floating around in the air we breathe.

Medical experts are giving us every reassurance possible that this vaccine is safe, at least as safe as all the other vaccines and medications we take. Without the vaccine, more people are dying of the disease EVERY DAY than the number killed on 9/11. And that's an acceptable risk, while some of us are fanning ourselves and clutching our pearls, still "not sure" we feel safe taking it? Has anyone even heard of a single fatality due to taking this vaccine?

So the hospitals are overrun and actually turning away patients, including patients with other serious diseases who can't be treated because there are no beds for them? Some hospitals are using triage when deciding whether or not to admit patients. And our economy is in a shambles? And we're willing to let this happen because a certain period of time must be reached before we, in our ignorance, have decided is "sufficient" to prove the vaccine is safe?

I can't be that kind or tolerant of that kind of thinking. I think it is due to one of these causes:

1. Phobias of vaccines, or needles, or both
2. Following advice from non-scientists who literally don't know what they are talking about
3. For some, their religion prevents them from following modern medical science
4. Illogical fears that all those doctors and medical researchers are out to get them
5. Paranoia, in some cases

None of this would bother me or be any of my business, except that the vaccine-hesitant can do some real harm if there are enough of them. Fortunately, there probably aren't. Most people are desperately anxious to receive the vaccine, the sooner the better, especially the "older" segment who have a target on our backs.

So I fervently hope and believe that science will prevail, and we will not be dragged
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"Medical experts are giving us every reassurance possible that this vaccine is safe, at least as safe as all the other vaccines and medications we take."

Medical experts have been wrong before, they can't be sure this vaccine is as safe as other vaccines as this vaccine hasn't been through the trial period other vaccines have been.

"while some of us are fanning ourselves and clutching our pearls, still "not sure" we feel safe taking it? Has anyone even heard of a single fatality due to taking this vaccine?"

Yes here's an article about a death. But....I'm still trying to figure out exactly where my "pearls" are, so I'll just post the link.

https://local12.com/news/nation-wor...-cincinnati-gregory-michael-miami-beach-sinai

"And we're willing to let this happen because a certain period of time must be reached before we, in our ignorance, have decided is "sufficient" to prove the vaccine is safe?"

So now your calling those who wish to wait, ignorant. I respect your choice to have this vaccine, to bad you can not respect others others for their choice to wait a while.

"I can't be that kind or tolerant of that kind of thinking. I think it is due to one of these causes:

1. Phobias of vaccines, or needles, or both

Nope, I've had vaccines before and shots and blood drawn and have given blood.

2. Following advice from non-scientists who literally don't know what they are talking about

I haven't been advised by anyone, just read articles and make my decisions based on the available information.

3. For some, their religion prevents them from following modern medical science

N/A

4. Illogical fears that all those doctors and medical researchers are out to get them

I like my Doctors. I respect the research when something has been fully researched and double checked.

5. Paranoia, in some cases."

None here, but its possible of others being paranoid.

You see, you can't lump everyone into your scenarios.
Your grasping at straws to point a finger at those who are going to wait to get this vaccine.
 
StarSong said:
At this point we are dealing with 3000 daily Covid deaths in the US alone. Throughout the world most countries struggle with overwhelmed hospitals, main street businesses in near wreckage, travel almost nonexistent, children's school experiences that would have been unrecognizable a year ago, and many are largely trapped in our homes.

What specifically or roughly how long will it take for the vaccine-hestitant to decide that the risk is worth the benefits?

I ask this question with absolute sincerity.
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i was going to wait but everyone around me was getting covid so i decided to take the chance. i go in for my 2nd dose tomorrow. i will write down all of my experience from both doses in my diary.
 
"And our economy is in a shambles? And we're willing to let this happen because a certain period of time must be reached before we, in our ignorance, have decided is "sufficient" to prove the vaccine is safe?"
Sunny said:
We are absolutely right to want and expect the great majority of other people we are living among to get the vaccine. Until a certain number do, there will be no herd immunity, and while those of us who get the vaccine asap will be (mostly) protected, there will be lots of risk to everyone else, and even a little bit of risk to us. The vaccine is about 95% effective, which still leaves a small window for that miserable killer of a disease to infect us. Which means there will be that much more of the virus floating around in the air we breathe.

Medical experts are giving us every reassurance possible that this vaccine is safe, at least as safe as all the other vaccines and medications we take. Without the vaccine, more people are dying of the disease EVERY DAY than the number killed on 9/11. And that's an acceptable risk, while some of us are fanning ourselves and clutching our pearls, still "not sure" we feel safe taking it? Has anyone even heard of a single fatality due to taking this vaccine?

So the hospitals are overrun and actually turning away patients, including patients with other serious diseases who can't be treated because there are no beds for them? Some hospitals are using triage when deciding whether or not to admit patients. And our economy is in a shambles? And we're willing to let this happen because a certain period of time must be reached before we, in our ignorance, have decided is "sufficient" to prove the vaccine is safe?

I can't be that kind or tolerant of that kind of thinking. I think it is due to one of these causes:

1. Phobias of vaccines, or needles, or both
2. Following advice from non-scientists who literally don't know what they are talking about
3. For some, their religion prevents them from following modern medical science
4. Illogical fears that all those doctors and medical researchers are out to get them
5. Paranoia, in some cases

None of this would bother me or be any of my business, except that the vaccine-hesitant can do some real harm if there are enough of them. Fortunately, there probably aren't. Most people are desperately anxious to receive the vaccine, the sooner the better, especially the "older" segment who have a target on our backs.

So I fervently hope and believe that science will prevail, and we will not be dragged into the dark ages.
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Of course you can't be "Kind or tolerant." No controller can. They also can't respect anyone who doesn't agree with them.
Sometimes, they even resort to calling others "Ignorant" to raise their own low self esteem.
 
StarSong said:
Many people have mentioned in this forum that they'll wait to get the vaccine. Those were the people I was addressing in this particular thread, which is why I used the term vaccine-hesitant rather than vaccine-averse.

Not judging any position, just trying to understand more by asking some questions. I was wondering, among the people who say they're waiting, what it is they're waiting for:
More data from the original clinical trials people?
More people being vaccinated so a wider pool?
More time to elapse in case there are delayed adverse reactions?
Something else?
Some combination of these?

I probably could have framed my question better, and for that I apologize.

@Jeni, your points are well made. There are indeed many people who won't get the vaccine because of previous allergic reactions, immunity issues, or other medical issues . Two people very close to me cannot get a vaccine. One because of cancer treatments, the other has had a transplant.

As @Remy said, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. Just trying to understand by asking a question.
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For me, a wider pool of the population vaccinated (for sure), in conjunction with a review of long-term adverse side-effects.

The development process of the vaccines being offered was expedited far beyond my comfort level.

As it stands, not only do I lack faith in the vaccines actually working, I question and fear any/all life-changing or even life-ending complications as a result of have the vaccinations.
 
Sunny said:
We are absolutely right to want and expect the great majority of other people we are living among to get the vaccine. Until a certain number do, there will be no herd immunity, and while those of us who get the vaccine asap will be (mostly) protected, there will be lots of risk to everyone else, and even a little bit of risk to us. The vaccine is about 95% effective, which still leaves a small window for that miserable killer of a disease to infect us. Which means there will be that much more of the virus floating around in the air we breathe.

Medical experts are giving us every reassurance possible that this vaccine is safe, at least as safe as all the other vaccines and medications we take. Without the vaccine, more people are dying of the disease EVERY DAY than the number killed on 9/11. And that's an acceptable risk, while some of us are fanning ourselves and clutching our pearls, still "not sure" we feel safe taking it? Has anyone even heard of a single fatality due to taking this vaccine?

So the hospitals are overrun and actually turning away patients, including patients with other serious diseases who can't be treated because there are no beds for them? Some hospitals are using triage when deciding whether or not to admit patients. And our economy is in a shambles? And we're willing to let this happen because a certain period of time must be reached before we, in our ignorance, have decided is "sufficient" to prove the vaccine is safe?

I can't be that kind or tolerant of that kind of thinking. I think it is due to one of these causes:

1. Phobias of vaccines, or needles, or both
2. Following advice from non-scientists who literally don't know what they are talking about
3. For some, their religion prevents them from following modern medical science
4. Illogical fears that all those doctors and medical researchers are out to get them
5. Paranoia, in some cases

None of this would bother me or be any of my business, except that the vaccine-hesitant can do some real harm if there are enough of them. Fortunately, there probably aren't. Most people are desperately anxious to receive the vaccine, the sooner the better, especially the "older" segment who have a target on our backs.

So I fervently hope and believe that science will prevail, and we will not be dragged into the dark ages.
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Boy, Sunny, I don't know where it all went so wrong, but when I first became a member here, you were a member I looked up to, a member I appreciated and respected for what you had to say, but as of late I don't know what's gotten into you.

Seems you feel slighted over other peoples choices when they don't align with yours, and rather than be accepting of other peoples beliefs, their rights, their comfort levels (or lack thereof) relative to the vaccines, you lash out with anger, frustration, and negative words.

For me, as to my stance on not being willing to receive the vaccine, #2 in your posts sums it up best.

When the world has doctors and scientists who don't even know what they are talking about related to, then that for me is more than grounds enough to say, no thank you.

I am at a loss as to understand why anyone would be taken aback by that. It's my personal freedom to so choose what I want and when I want it, why is that so difficult for some to understand?
 
I remain hesitant for one main reason-by rushing these vaccines onto the market no one knows-and the drug companies have ensured they cannot be sued-if there will be long term adverse health effects.Because those taking part in the trials have not undergone the usual several years of observation.Folk seem inclined to ignore that fact.
Here in Britain some Pensioners are refusing the Pfizer vaccine-as a result of the reporting of anaphylactic reactions.I am inclined to ask for one of the other two.
Despite my reservations I am inclined to be vaccinated because I want my life back while I am still sane
enough to enjoy it.
But here in Wales our First Minister has informed us vaccination is not a sprint.Much to the populations disgust.
 
Well Star, Add this story to your why not side....
Co Workers wife had symptoms, and tested positive... quarantined at home and dealt with only minor symptoms for a few days.
She would be in the high risk group, overweight diabetic with 2 heart attacks....
Since she works in healthcare she got vaccinated in the 1st go around.....
Found out last night she majorly ill and has tested positive again....

Her husband.... still has always tested negative, and refusing the vaccine.
 
Becky, your answers to me are non-answers. You are awfully defensive, although no one is attacking you personally. I never said all those reasons for being vaccine-averse applied to you, or that ALL those reasons apply to any one person. They were suggested as SOME of the reasons that people are shilly-shallying around, delaying, fussing, worrying, denying, etc. No one was talking about you.

If there was one death due to the vaccine, I stand corrected. So that's one, versus 1,926,625 due to the disease. I'll take those odds.

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Now. I want it now. I don’t care about the “risk.” When I had my cataract surgery there was a genuine risk. I did it anyway. Literally changed my life. My life, for the past year, has been on hold. I’d rather die than go on like this. But some of y’all don’t seem to have much of a life so feel free to remain in hiding. Me? I’ll take the vaccine.
 
I'll take the vaccine when it becomes available to me.

Based on my personal medical history/experience I have no fears that the vaccine will do any harm.

The biggest reservation that I have is that it may not be as effective as advertised.

IMO even if the vaccine is fifty percent effective it will still have a huge impact on our ability to control the virus and get things back to normal.
 
Sunny said:
Becky, your answers to me are non-answers. You are awfully defensive, although no one is attacking you personally. I never said all those reasons for being vaccine-averse applied to you, or that ALL those reasons apply to any one person. They were suggested as SOME of the reasons that people are shilly-shallying around, delaying, fussing, worrying, denying, etc. No one was talking about you.

If there was one death due to the vaccine, I stand corrected. So that's one, versus 1,926,625 due to the disease. I'll take those
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It doesn't matter who your comments where directed to, I didn't take them personally, I simply replied my own thoughts about them, regarding myself and others who wish to wait to get the vaccine.
 
StarSong said:
So would you guess 3 months, 6 months, a year, 3 years? Not trying to pin you down, just trying to get a sense of where you're at.
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I'm kind of waiting but really I'm not that concerned with short term side effects I'm more concerned with long term effects which could be 10 years or so, so there's no way I can wait that long.
 

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