End of the Manly Man?

Gaer said:
If a woman loves a man, she will love him when he smells like sweat, has dirt under his fingernails and calluses on his hands.
Yes, fresh breath, manly fragrance and clean appearance are also wonderful. debonaire, distinguished, class!
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Agreeing with a caveat. If someone has the ability to be clean and doesn’t bother because they don’t care, no matter the gender, I’m not impressed.
 

Nathan said:
I don't wear any artificial fragrances, just use unscented soap to keep clean. I don't like perfume on women, aggravates my bronchial asthma.
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I once felt I contracted slight eye infections, maybe due to my girlfriends use of eye shadow etc., that can't be completely sterile once opened can it, (though it didn't seem to effect her, "perhaps I'm sensitive",:) ).
 

SifuPhil said:
Probably because 2/3 of Americans are plus-sized ...

I remember the first time I wore a full wet suit when I was scuba diving in Key West. The suit was tight - tighter even than it was supposed to be. I could barely breathe. It was so tight you could tell what religion I was.

So I put it on in my hotel room and walked down to the boat that would take us out to the diving spots. I figured the walk was maybe 300 feet away and that I wouldn't encounter too many people.

Wrong.

I think the Shriners were in town that day, because every clown in a little car was driving by and blowing their horns at me. I didn't mind the women's glances, but Key West is an infamously gay town and the majority of the lip-smacking noises I heard were from the guys.

By the time I made it to the boat I think the suit had shrank even more from the hot sun and I was talking in a falsetto voice as well as taking weird, choppy steps. That didn't help in persuading the guys to move on, though. Just the opposite.

By the time we made it out to the open water I was ready to punch the first dolphin I saw.
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Hahaha. A very funny guy. 😁
 
SeaBreeze said:
The older I get the more I appreciate each individual for what is inside their heart, not their physical appearance or preferences. Men certainly don't have to look and act 'macho' for me to like them and respect them.

Back in the day like in the 40s and 50s, I think some men spent their entire lives trying to look and act more macho, they feared ever even being seen crying, because it was a sign of weakness and something only women did. Some didn't even want to be seen cooking, cleaning or anything they labeled as women's housework. Those men were likely less 'manly' deep inside than the modern day guys.

Times have changed, and for the better in my opinion. Life is good and I respect all others, except those who harm animals or other human beings. Appearance is pretty petty, it's what's inside that matters.
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Amen!
 
Nathan said:
I don't wear any artificial fragrances, just use unscented soap to keep clean. I don't like perfume on women, aggravates my bronchial asthma.
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I never liked perfume or cologne myself, my husband doesn't use anything like that either. If I'm near someone who is doused in perfume, it will make me want to sneeze, I avoid the smell.
 
In all honesty, I don't see what the controversy is all about. People should just be themselves without others judging their appearances. After all, women today often wear ties, masculine fitted blazers, and fedoras while others cut their hair very short. In the past TV gossip commentators used to announce Hollywood weddings on the nightly news but you don't see this as often nowadays - could it be because so many Hollywood marriages today are of same sex couples, most if not all of whom are female couples? There's no controversy or social misgivings about any of this. Nor should there be any.

Live and let live, I always say.
 
Aunt Marg said:
My husband uses Nivea body wash for men, it has mint extract in it and he smells delicious fresh out of the shower.
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I understand Nivea has a lavender smell. That's smart because lavender is a smell that mosquitoes hate (and I mean HATE). For too many years I've been the type that attracts those dang blasted bugs whenever I've been outdoors in summer. A couple of years ago, I read where it can be used to scare away those and other bugs. Much to my surprise it works. Because of that I often use lavender botanical soap, detergent, fabric softener, and deodorant. Now I can go outdoors in the summer and stay free of those ########### that I detest so much!
 
oldiebutgoody said:
I understand Nivea has a lavender smell. That's smart because lavender is a smell that mosquitoes hate (and I mean HATE). For too many years I've been the type that attracts those dang blasted bugs whenever I've been outdoors in summer. A couple of years ago, I read where it can be used to scare away those and other bugs. Much to my surprise it works. Because of that I often use lavender botanical soap, detergent, fabric softener, and deodorant. Now I can go outdoors in the summer and stay free of those ########### that I detest so much!
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I just learned something from your post, had no idea lavender acts as a natural mosquito repellant.

I'm with you, Oldie, in that those pesky little devils just love me and my blood!
 
I've never been a Manly Man. I even cried at my own wedding. I am very sensitive and emotional. I always struggle to find a good balance or control so I can function properly. But I haven't shied away from potentially dangerous situations. In the past, I surprised myself and others when I was a security guard. I actively chased shoplifters and intervened in fights, etc. Eventually I decided to get another job before I got injured or killed.

I don't wax or shave my body. My body hair is barely noticeable. In fact, people often ask if I shaved or waxed my body!:cool:
 
Gaer said:
Real men can be sensitive and emotional. This shows the beauty and the tenderness in your heart.
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My paternal grandfather was known in the family for two things, his quick temper first it must be said, but then as you suggest crying too about things that mattered to him, and a more manly and a more proud man you're never likely to have met, (there's a photo of him surrounded by his family, myself as a babe in arms, taken in 1954 on one of these threads).
 
Dana said:
Now that I have a rather obscure vision of what a "manly man" is supposed to be. Wonder what a womanly woman is? Or should this be a new thread!
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I did hint at that previously because society does seem to have a double standard in re to issues such as this. You might remember a short while ago when certain people of a rather inflexible political viewpoint (I won't say which one) was all up in arms about drag queen library hour:


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These pundits said such a thing led to the moral breakdown of society and should be stopped at once. Yet, people pointed out that society has always tolerated (and even honored) reverse drag queens such as Peter Pan for the past 100+ years:


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How can one be right and the other wrong? In order for a principle to be valid it must be applied on a uniform, not a selective, basis. Whether society will ever learn to live by genuine principle remains to be seen.
 
@OldiebutGoodie, Wouldn't you agree that petite female actresses playing prepubescent boys in Broadway shows is an anomaly? Finding children of either gender capable of playing the extraordinarily demanding Peter Pan role every night on would be a very tall order indeed. Not to mention needing to replace them after a growth spurt or voice change.

Yes, society is far more forgiving of women blurring lines that of men. Perhaps that's because more men are insecure about their masculinity than about women's femininity, and are therefore threatened by effeminate men but not masculine women. Also, a lot of men seem to have sexual fantasies involving lesbian scenarios. Not sure why, but they do.

Women have been picking up "male roles" since Adam and Eve left the Garden. Widows had to pick up the slack for their families lest they starve or become charity cases. During wartime women took men's jobs over, and, let's face it, traditional men's apparel (pants and shirts rather than dresses and skirts) are far more practical for everyday living.

The women (and men, for that matter) who I know don't give a hang about whether a woman is more or less feminine or if a man is more or less masculine.
 
@StarSong


I do my very best to refrain from sitting in judgment of anyone. All that I ask for is consistency in the application of principles. If one is wrong then so is the other. If one is ok, then so is the other. My problem is when society chooses to be selective in its principles. This, in my book, is prejudice and has no justification.

Let me just include one link to an article which criticizes Peter Pan as Satanic:

Peter Pan & The Lost Generation – Exposing Satanism and Witchcraft


While some of this is a bit exaggerated, there is some truth in its premise. You are free to accept or reject any portion of its conclusions.



Oh by the way, the photo I used of several actresses portraying Peter Pan does not appear on my screen _ I wonder why (?)
 
StarSong said:
@OldiebutGoodie, Wouldn't you agree that petite female actresses playing prepubescent boys in Broadway shows is an anomaly? Finding children of either gender capable of playing the extraordinarily demanding Peter Pan role every night on would be a very tall order indeed. Not to mention needing to replace them after a growth spurt or voice change.

Yes, society is far more forgiving of women blurring lines that of men. Perhaps that's because more men are insecure about their masculinity than about women's femininity, and are therefore threatened by effeminate men but not masculine women. Also, a lot of men seem to have sexual fantasies involving lesbian scenarios. Not sure why, but they do.

Women have been picking up "male roles" since Adam and Eve left the Garden. Widows had to pick up the slack for their families lest they starve or become charity cases. During wartime women took men's jobs over, and, let's face it, traditional men's apparel (pants and shirts rather than dresses and skirts) are far more practical for everyday living.

The women (and men, for that matter) who I know don't give a hang about whether a woman is more or less feminine or if a man is more or less masculine.
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That is the reason why the voice of Bart Simpson is done by a woman.

If Charles M. Schultz had been smart(er) he'd have voiced all The Peanuts characters with women.
 
Aunt Marg said:
I just learned something from your post, had no idea lavender acts as a natural mosquito repellant.

I'm with you, Oldie, in that those pesky little devils just love me and my blood!
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Me, too, until I started using 100% DEET every summer. The smell goes away after 15 minutes & NOTHING will go near me - mosquitoes, flies, nothing.
And it makes me feel so rejected........
 
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