End of the Manly Man?

win231 said:
Me, too, until I started using 100% DEET every summer. The smell goes away after 15 minutes & NOTHING will go near me - mosquitoes, flies, nothing.
And it makes me feel so rejected........
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Wow! Great hint. The tiny mosquitos that invaded our area a few years ago have become such an annoyance.
 
Rosemarie said:
Men are vain creatures, more so than women I think. The modern trend for feminine men allows them to indulge their self-love. Perhaps if more women voiced their disapproval, they might change their attitude.
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Liberace, Johnnie Ray, Freddie Mercury, Elton John always displayed some degree of feminine flamboyancy and it is well established that the vast majority of their fans were always female. These guys have been around for decades and there are just as many if not more in Europe. But, as I always say, to each his or her own.
 

oldiebutgoody said:
Liberace, Johnnie Ray, Freddie Mercury, Elton John always displayed some degree of feminine flamboyancy and it is well established that the vast majority of their fans were always female. These guys have been around for decades and there are just as many if not more in Europe. But, as I always say, to each his or her own.
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Yes, most of Barry Manilow's fans are also female.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
Liberace, Johnnie Ray, Freddie Mercury, Elton John always displayed some degree of feminine flamboyancy and it is well established that the vast majority of their fans were always female. These guys have been around for decades and there are just as many if not more in Europe. But, as I always say, to each his or her own.
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Some degree? They flew around the room!
 
win231 said:
Yes, most of Barry Manilow's fans are also female.
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Flamboyant Montii Rock III has been openly gay since the mid 1960s. He was a regular on the Merv Griffin and Johnny Carson shows and has made millions in Las Vegas. His fan base is almost exclusively female as well.
 
I checked, and I'm still the man I was at 13. And I believe men are still endowed as male. So if there is an end of the "Manly Male", it is not due to biological forces. Maybe it is because the image of a "Manly Male" is something from the pages of those shmaltzy, overly romanticized, "he caressed me with his eyes", women's novels. It is an image that never was in real life. And it could be that we're at the end of the Feminine Female?
 
Do you think the reason women are not as feminine anymore is because men are not as masculine? They had to step up and take care of things?
Men seem more afraid. I remember when i was dating, in California between marriages, and I'd ask my date if he would start a fire in the wood fireplace while I cooked dinner. They didn't know how!
I asked if they ever used an outhouse and they would say "ick! eeuuugh!"
I asked them if they knew what an "easy out" was, and they would say, "a lie you make up to get out of a date."
And they were afraid to move or travel or do anything out of their little comfort zone.
If men are like this now, what will the next generations be?
There still exists a few real men and THANK GOD FOR YOU!
 
It's not the men, who have changed, but one's own image of what a "Manly Man " is. Granted most men don't know the first thing about skinning a bear, but neither do most women. And I've gone camping with women, who wandered around the forest looking for the plug for their electric hair styling comb. Does that make them less feminine? And in the 21st century, which is more relevant, being able to do a cost value estimation of profits and devaluations of economic growth over time, or starting a fire. Which is "manly" may depend more on your needs.
 
Gaer said:
Do you think the reason women are not as feminine anymore is because men are not as masculine? They had to step up and take care of things?
Men seem more afraid. I remember when i was dating, in California between marriages, and I'd ask my date if he would start a fire in the wood fireplace while I cooked dinner. They didn't know how!
I asked if they ever used an outhouse and they would say "ick! eeuuugh!"
I asked them if they knew what an "easy out" was, and they would say, "a lie you make up to get out of a date."
And they were afraid to move or travel or do anything out of their little comfort zone.
If men are like this now, what will the next generations be?
There still exists a few real men and THANK GOD FOR YOU!
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Bingo, Gaer!

I see a general decline and level of incompetence nowadays among young mothers/housewives/homemakers, not all, but many, in the fact that the men of the homes are doing more, and more, and more around the home (all the time), and that's on top of holding down a fulltime job.

Having been born and raised in a traditional, old-fashioned home, I remember there being a distinct divide in our house in relation to chores and duties of the man of the house/family, and sure, husbands and wives supported one another, absolutely, but when it came to the bulk of the housework, baby/childcare, cooking, groceries, shopping, etc, that was unequivocally the woman's end of things, to the point of the woman of the house making it clear to the man of the house to, stay out of her way, with work outside the home reserved for the men.

Being the old-fashioned type that I am, the same held true in our home, and I wouldn't have had it, or seen it any other way. I have no problem seeing a man occasionally pushing a baby stroller or running a vacuum over the floor, but not all the time, and on the occasions the man of the house is seen pushing a baby stroller or vacuum, it had better be on his terms, because he wants to, not because he's being forced to by his wife, or because his wife is too lazy to.
 
I'm in the shed, stripped to the waist with an axe in both hands splitting logs without even raising a sweat. In my mouth, I've got one of those little harmonicas and I'm playing, 'The Deadwood Stage' while doing a clog-dance. ;):)
 
timoc said:
I'm in the shed, stripped to the waist with an axe in both hands splitting logs without even raising a sweat. In my mouth, I've got one of those little harmonicas and I'm playing, 'The Deadwood Stage' while doing a clog-dance. ;):)
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Not bad, but allow me to pass on a little advice your way. :)

Lose the harmonica and dance, put on a plaid flannel shirt and roll up the sleeves, and don't be afraid to break a bead. Now that's manly!
 
Gaer said:
Do you think the reason women are not as feminine anymore is because men are not as masculine? They had to step up and take care of things?
Men seem more afraid. I remember when i was dating, in California between marriages, and I'd ask my date if he would start a fire in the wood fireplace while I cooked dinner. They didn't know how!
I asked if they ever used an outhouse and they would say "ick! eeuuugh!"
I asked them if they knew what an "easy out" was, and they would say, "a lie you make up to get out of a date."
And they were afraid to move or travel or do anything out of their little comfort zone.
If men are like this now, what will the next generations be?
There still exists a few real men and THANK GOD FOR YOU!
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Excuse me, I am extremely feminine. Love Jimmy choo shoes, silk dresses, and cuban heeled stockings. Also, completely capable of starting a fire, baking a pie, doing a bank reconciliation, supporting myself, sailing a boat, and refinishing furniture.

My idea of masculine men might avoid some passive aggressive emotionally castrated pseudo masculine Gary Cooper wannabes, but I find plenty of other men to be very masculine indeed. ( Among the list, man buns, well trimmed facial hair and all.)

Particularly if they can cook and carry on an intelligent and informed conversation. They must love animals and care about the planet and other human beings. Compassion is key. Oh, and I don’t care if they have short hair or no hair at all. Lol if they love motor bikes, I am in heaven.
 
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I thought we were talking about feminine men, not gay men. There is a big difference. Most women like gay men. I think it's because they can enjoy their company without the 'sex' thing getting in the way. Many gay men are rather cute.
'Straight' men who are feminine are a different category.
 
I don’t know about others, but I was referencing straight men. To me, these gentlemen are not effeminate in the least. I don’t have hard limits around what constitutes masculine and feminine. That is up to the individual. We are beautiful in our diversity. 🤗
 
"Macho Man"




It's not quite what you think or have been led to believe.


Among us Hispanics, we have had this concept for ages. Thankfully, it is now in decline. It probably originated as a cover up to be used to mask the lack of money or any real power in an unjust society where opportunities for advancement are so limited. Among us there is some dispute as to who likes it more ~ men or women? Not sure who to actually blame for it, but what is evident is that it is nonsensical.

But what exactly is a "macho"? what does the term actually mean? does it represent a real man? or does it represent something else?

The actual definition of a macho is, a male mule:

Translation of Macho in Spanish (babylon-software.com):


Macho in English
male, of or pertaining to the male gender, masculine macho, strongly masculine or assertive man; mule, animal which is a hybrid of a horse and a donkey




Anyone who calls himself a 'macho man' is literally making an ass of himself - a strong, stupid, stubborn, and sterile animal. Birds of a feather stick together so this doesn't say much for the women who admire him.

Bottom line - it's good to see the macho "man" go into decline. Dumbest thing anywhere. Hopefully, it will soon completely disappear from our society.
 

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