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Proceed at your own risk: this article (excerpts) wasn't written by Tucker Carlson or your conspiracy-guzzling neighbor. It was published by Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health on 4-6-21. đŸ˜±

"When the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 first started to spread, virtually nobody was immune. Meeting no resistance, the virus spread quickly across communities. Stopping it will require a significant percentage of people to be immune. But how can we get to that point? How is the race on to get people immune by vaccinating them before they get infected?

When most of a population is immune to an infectious disease, this provides herd immunity to the disease. For example, if 80% of a population is immune to a virus, four out of every five people who encounter someone with the disease won’t get sick (and won’t spread the disease any further). In this way, the spread of infectious diseases is kept under control. Depending how contagious an infection is, usually 50% to 90% of a population needs immunity before infection rates start to decline. The higher the level of immunity, the larger the benefit. This is why it is important to get as many people as possible vaccinated.

As with any other infection, there are two ways to achieve herd immunity: A large proportion of the population either gets infected or gets a protective vaccine. What we know about coronavirus so far suggests that, if we were really to go back to a pre-pandemic lifestyle, we would need at least 70% of the population to be immune to keep the rate of infection down (“achieve herd immunity”) without restrictions on activities. But this level depends on many factors, including the infectiousness of the virus (variants can evolve that are more infectious) and how people interact with each other.

For example, when the population reduces their level of interaction (through distancing, wearing masks, etc.), infection rates slow down. But as society opens up more broadly and the virus mutates to become more contagious, infection rates will go up again. Since we are not currently at a level of protection that can allow life to return to normal without seeing another spike in cases and deaths, it is now a race between infection and injection.

In the worst case (for example, if we stop distancing and mask wearing and remove limits on crowded indoor gatherings), we will continue to see additional waves of surging infection. The virus will infect—and kill—many more people before our vaccination program reaches everyone. And deaths aren’t the only problem. The more people the virus infects, the more chances it has to mutate. This can increase transmission risk, decrease the effectiveness of vaccines, and make the pandemic harder to control in the long run.

In the best case, we vaccinate people as quickly as possible while maintaining distancing and other prevention measures to keep infection levels low. But if we continue vaccinating the population at the current rate, in the U.S. we should see meaningful effects on transmission by the end of the summer of 2021. While there is not going to be a “herd immunity day” where life immediately goes back to normal, this approach gives us the best long-term chance of beating the pandemic.

In the United States, current projections are that we can get more than half of all American adults fully vaccinated by the end of Summer 2021—which would take us a long way toward herd immunity, in only a few months. By the time winter comes around, hopefully enough of the population will be vaccinated to prevent another large surge like what we have seen this year. But this optimistic scenario is not guaranteed. It requires widespread vaccine uptake among all parts of the population—including all ages and races, in all cities, suburbs, and countrysides. Because the human population is so interconnected, an outbreak anywhere can lead to a resurgence everywhere."

Prolonged effort will be required to prevent major outbreaks until vaccination is widespread. Even then, it is very unlikely that SARS-CoV-2 will be eradicated; it will still likely infect children and others who have not been vaccinated, and we will likely need to update the vaccine and provide booster doses on some regular basis. But it is also likely that the continuing waves of explosive spread that we are seeing right now will eventually die down—because in the future, enough of the population will be immune to provide herd protection.

We now have multiple effective vaccines, and the race is on to get people vaccinated before they get infected (and have the chance to spread infection to others). One thing is certain: The more people who are vaccinated, the less opportunity the virus will have to spread in the population, and the closer we will be to herd immunity.

Once we get enough people vaccinated to drive down infection rates more consistently, we should be able to gradually lift restrictions. But until the vaccine is widely distributed and a large majority of the population is vaccinated, there will still be a risk of infection and outbreaks.

In the end, though, we will build up immunity to this virus; life will be able to return to “normal” eventually. The fastest way to get to that point is for each of us to do our part in the coming months to reduce the spread of the virus—continue to wear masks, maintain distance, avoid high-risk indoor gatherings, and get vaccinated as soon as a vaccine becomes available to us."

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/achieving-herd-immunity-with-covid19.html

IMO, even if your own health prospects are of little or no concern to you, opting not to get vaccinated is a self-centered and self-absorbed choice which displays a callous disregard for your neighbors and community.
 

Proceed at your own risk: this article (excerpts) wasn't written by Tucker Carlson or your conspiracy-guzzling neighbor. It was published by Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health on 4-6-21. đŸ˜±

"When the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 first started to spread, virtually nobody was immune. Meeting no resistance, the virus spread quickly across communities. Stopping it will require a significant percentage of people to be immune. But how can we get to that point? How is the race on to get people immune by vaccinating them before they get infected?

When most of a population is immune to an infectious disease, this provides herd immunity to the disease. For example, if 80% of a population is immune to a virus, four out of every five people who encounter someone with the disease won’t get sick (and won’t spread the disease any further). In this way, the spread of infectious diseases is kept under control. Depending how contagious an infection is, usually 50% to 90% of a population needs immunity before infection rates start to decline. The higher the level of immunity, the larger the benefit. This is why it is important to get as many people as possible vaccinated.

As with any other infection, there are two ways to achieve herd immunity: A large proportion of the population either gets infected or gets a protective vaccine. What we know about coronavirus so far suggests that, if we were really to go back to a pre-pandemic lifestyle, we would need at least 70% of the population to be immune to keep the rate of infection down (“achieve herd immunity”) without restrictions on activities. But this level depends on many factors, including the infectiousness of the virus (variants can evolve that are more infectious) and how people interact with each other.

For example, when the population reduces their level of interaction (through distancing, wearing masks, etc.), infection rates slow down. But as society opens up more broadly and the virus mutates to become more contagious, infection rates will go up again. Since we are not currently at a level of protection that can allow life to return to normal without seeing another spike in cases and deaths, it is now a race between infection and injection.

In the worst case (for example, if we stop distancing and mask wearing and remove limits on crowded indoor gatherings), we will continue to see additional waves of surging infection. The virus will infect—and kill—many more people before our vaccination program reaches everyone. And deaths aren’t the only problem. The more people the virus infects, the more chances it has to mutate. This can increase transmission risk, decrease the effectiveness of vaccines, and make the pandemic harder to control in the long run.

In the best case, we vaccinate people as quickly as possible while maintaining distancing and other prevention measures to keep infection levels low. But if we continue vaccinating the population at the current rate, in the U.S. we should see meaningful effects on transmission by the end of the summer of 2021. While there is not going to be a “herd immunity day” where life immediately goes back to normal, this approach gives us the best long-term chance of beating the pandemic.

In the United States, current projections are that we can get more than half of all American adults fully vaccinated by the end of Summer 2021—which would take us a long way toward herd immunity, in only a few months. By the time winter comes around, hopefully enough of the population will be vaccinated to prevent another large surge like what we have seen this year. But this optimistic scenario is not guaranteed. It requires widespread vaccine uptake among all parts of the population—including all ages and races, in all cities, suburbs, and countrysides. Because the human population is so interconnected, an outbreak anywhere can lead to a resurgence everywhere."

Prolonged effort will be required to prevent major outbreaks until vaccination is widespread. Even then, it is very unlikely that SARS-CoV-2 will be eradicated; it will still likely infect children and others who have not been vaccinated, and we will likely need to update the vaccine and provide booster doses on some regular basis. But it is also likely that the continuing waves of explosive spread that we are seeing right now will eventually die down—because in the future, enough of the population will be immune to provide herd protection.

We now have multiple effective vaccines, and the race is on to get people vaccinated before they get infected (and have the chance to spread infection to others). One thing is certain: The more people who are vaccinated, the less opportunity the virus will have to spread in the population, and the closer we will be to herd immunity.

Once we get enough people vaccinated to drive down infection rates more consistently, we should be able to gradually lift restrictions. But until the vaccine is widely distributed and a large majority of the population is vaccinated, there will still be a risk of infection and outbreaks.

In the end, though, we will build up immunity to this virus; life will be able to return to “normal” eventually. The fastest way to get to that point is for each of us to do our part in the coming months to reduce the spread of the virus—continue to wear masks, maintain distance, avoid high-risk indoor gatherings, and get vaccinated as soon as a vaccine becomes available to us."

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/achieving-herd-immunity-with-covid19.html

IMO, even if your own health prospects are of little or no concern to you, opting not to get vaccinated is a self-centered and self-absorbed choice which displays a callous disregard for your neighbors and community.
What a crock. If a vaccine worked, no one would be concerned about unvaccinated people. Trying to convince others to make the same decision you made indicates a typical controlling personality. It also indicates how little confidence you have in the vaccine.
 
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IMO, even if your own health prospects are of little or no concern to you, opting not to get vaccinated is a self-centered and self-absorbed choice which displays a callous disregard for your neighbors and community.

While I have seen some good information come from John Hopkins during this China Whuan flu pandemic, afaic, injecting such a ludicrous opinion at the end of your post tends to discredit your entire post and is very telling about your real intentions in starting this thread. If I wanted opinions, I would tune in to Dr Fauci.
 

I honestly don't think we know each other well enough in a forum to make direct, personal statements about each other. My suggestion is to read the article, and if one wants to make comments/express opinions about it, please keep them GENERAL rather than coming across as attacking those who hold different opinions.

Since I am not a moderator, all I can do is appeal to everyone's "better nature".

Thanks,

Tony
 
Proceed at your own risk: this article (excerpts) wasn't written by Tucker Carlson or your conspiracy-guzzling neighbor. It was published by Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health on 4-6-21. đŸ˜±

"When the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 first started to spread, virtually nobody was immune. Meeting no resistance, the virus spread quickly across communities. Stopping it will require a significant percentage of people to be immune. But how can we get to that point? How is the race on to get people immune by vaccinating them before they get infected?

When most of a population is immune to an infectious disease, this provides herd immunity to the disease. For example, if 80% of a population is immune to a virus, four out of every five people who encounter someone with the disease won’t get sick (and won’t spread the disease any further). In this way, the spread of infectious diseases is kept under control. Depending how contagious an infection is, usually 50% to 90% of a population needs immunity before infection rates start to decline. The higher the level of immunity, the larger the benefit. This is why it is important to get as many people as possible vaccinated.

As with any other infection, there are two ways to achieve herd immunity: A large proportion of the population either gets infected or gets a protective vaccine. What we know about coronavirus so far suggests that, if we were really to go back to a pre-pandemic lifestyle, we would need at least 70% of the population to be immune to keep the rate of infection down (“achieve herd immunity”) without restrictions on activities. But this level depends on many factors, including the infectiousness of the virus (variants can evolve that are more infectious) and how people interact with each other.

For example, when the population reduces their level of interaction (through distancing, wearing masks, etc.), infection rates slow down. But as society opens up more broadly and the virus mutates to become more contagious, infection rates will go up again. Since we are not currently at a level of protection that can allow life to return to normal without seeing another spike in cases and deaths, it is now a race between infection and injection.

In the worst case (for example, if we stop distancing and mask wearing and remove limits on crowded indoor gatherings), we will continue to see additional waves of surging infection. The virus will infect—and kill—many more people before our vaccination program reaches everyone. And deaths aren’t the only problem. The more people the virus infects, the more chances it has to mutate. This can increase transmission risk, decrease the effectiveness of vaccines, and make the pandemic harder to control in the long run.

In the best case, we vaccinate people as quickly as possible while maintaining distancing and other prevention measures to keep infection levels low. But if we continue vaccinating the population at the current rate, in the U.S. we should see meaningful effects on transmission by the end of the summer of 2021. While there is not going to be a “herd immunity day” where life immediately goes back to normal, this approach gives us the best long-term chance of beating the pandemic.

In the United States, current projections are that we can get more than half of all American adults fully vaccinated by the end of Summer 2021—which would take us a long way toward herd immunity, in only a few months. By the time winter comes around, hopefully enough of the population will be vaccinated to prevent another large surge like what we have seen this year. But this optimistic scenario is not guaranteed. It requires widespread vaccine uptake among all parts of the population—including all ages and races, in all cities, suburbs, and countrysides. Because the human population is so interconnected, an outbreak anywhere can lead to a resurgence everywhere."

Prolonged effort will be required to prevent major outbreaks until vaccination is widespread. Even then, it is very unlikely that SARS-CoV-2 will be eradicated; it will still likely infect children and others who have not been vaccinated, and we will likely need to update the vaccine and provide booster doses on some regular basis. But it is also likely that the continuing waves of explosive spread that we are seeing right now will eventually die down—because in the future, enough of the population will be immune to provide herd protection.

We now have multiple effective vaccines, and the race is on to get people vaccinated before they get infected (and have the chance to spread infection to others). One thing is certain: The more people who are vaccinated, the less opportunity the virus will have to spread in the population, and the closer we will be to herd immunity.

Once we get enough people vaccinated to drive down infection rates more consistently, we should be able to gradually lift restrictions. But until the vaccine is widely distributed and a large majority of the population is vaccinated, there will still be a risk of infection and outbreaks.

In the end, though, we will build up immunity to this virus; life will be able to return to “normal” eventually. The fastest way to get to that point is for each of us to do our part in the coming months to reduce the spread of the virus—continue to wear masks, maintain distance, avoid high-risk indoor gatherings, and get vaccinated as soon as a vaccine becomes available to us."

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/achieving-herd-immunity-with-covid19.html

IMO, even if your own health prospects are of little or no concern to you, opting not to get vaccinated is a self-centered and self-absorbed choice which displays a callous disregard for your neighbors and community.

Thank you for that Pink Biz đŸŒ»đŸŒ» Agree totally!
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I honestly don't think we know each other well enough in a forum to make direct, personal statements about each other. My suggestion is to read the article, and if one wants to make comments/express opinions about it, please keep them GENERAL rather than coming across as attacking those who hold different opinions.

Since I am not a moderator, all I can do is appeal to everyone's "better nature".

Thanks,

Tony
Most people don't object to sharing information. But if you read the last paragraph, you'll see what people are "attacking."
 
IMO, even if your own health prospects are of little or no concern to you, opting not to get vaccinated is a self-centered and self-absorbed choice which displays a callous disregard for your neighbors and community.
I haven’t gotten vaccinated yet so must be self centred, self absorbed and have a callous disregard for my neighbours and community.
I’m ok with that. đŸ„ł
 
Proceed at your own risk: this article (excerpts) wasn't written by Tucker Carlson or your conspiracy-guzzling neighbor. It was published by Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health on 4-6-21. đŸ˜±

"When the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 first started to spread, virtually nobody was immune. Meeting no resistance, the virus spread quickly across communities. Stopping it will require a significant percentage of people to be immune. But how can we get to that point? How is the race on to get people immune by vaccinating them before they get infected?

When most of a population is immune to an infectious disease, this provides herd immunity to the disease. For example, if 80% of a population is immune to a virus, four out of every five people who encounter someone with the disease won’t get sick (and won’t spread the disease any further). In this way, the spread of infectious diseases is kept under control. Depending how contagious an infection is, usually 50% to 90% of a population needs immunity before infection rates start to decline. The higher the level of immunity, the larger the benefit. This is why it is important to get as many people as possible vaccinated.

As with any other infection, there are two ways to achieve herd immunity: A large proportion of the population either gets infected or gets a protective vaccine. What we know about coronavirus so far suggests that, if we were really to go back to a pre-pandemic lifestyle, we would need at least 70% of the population to be immune to keep the rate of infection down (“achieve herd immunity”) without restrictions on activities. But this level depends on many factors, including the infectiousness of the virus (variants can evolve that are more infectious) and how people interact with each other.

For example, when the population reduces their level of interaction (through distancing, wearing masks, etc.), infection rates slow down. But as society opens up more broadly and the virus mutates to become more contagious, infection rates will go up again. Since we are not currently at a level of protection that can allow life to return to normal without seeing another spike in cases and deaths, it is now a race between infection and injection.

In the worst case (for example, if we stop distancing and mask wearing and remove limits on crowded indoor gatherings), we will continue to see additional waves of surging infection. The virus will infect—and kill—many more people before our vaccination program reaches everyone. And deaths aren’t the only problem. The more people the virus infects, the more chances it has to mutate. This can increase transmission risk, decrease the effectiveness of vaccines, and make the pandemic harder to control in the long run.

In the best case, we vaccinate people as quickly as possible while maintaining distancing and other prevention measures to keep infection levels low. But if we continue vaccinating the population at the current rate, in the U.S. we should see meaningful effects on transmission by the end of the summer of 2021. While there is not going to be a “herd immunity day” where life immediately goes back to normal, this approach gives us the best long-term chance of beating the pandemic.

In the United States, current projections are that we can get more than half of all American adults fully vaccinated by the end of Summer 2021—which would take us a long way toward herd immunity, in only a few months. By the time winter comes around, hopefully enough of the population will be vaccinated to prevent another large surge like what we have seen this year. But this optimistic scenario is not guaranteed. It requires widespread vaccine uptake among all parts of the population—including all ages and races, in all cities, suburbs, and countrysides. Because the human population is so interconnected, an outbreak anywhere can lead to a resurgence everywhere."

Prolonged effort will be required to prevent major outbreaks until vaccination is widespread. Even then, it is very unlikely that SARS-CoV-2 will be eradicated; it will still likely infect children and others who have not been vaccinated, and we will likely need to update the vaccine and provide booster doses on some regular basis. But it is also likely that the continuing waves of explosive spread that we are seeing right now will eventually die down—because in the future, enough of the population will be immune to provide herd protection.

We now have multiple effective vaccines, and the race is on to get people vaccinated before they get infected (and have the chance to spread infection to others). One thing is certain: The more people who are vaccinated, the less opportunity the virus will have to spread in the population, and the closer we will be to herd immunity.

Once we get enough people vaccinated to drive down infection rates more consistently, we should be able to gradually lift restrictions. But until the vaccine is widely distributed and a large majority of the population is vaccinated, there will still be a risk of infection and outbreaks.

In the end, though, we will build up immunity to this virus; life will be able to return to “normal” eventually. The fastest way to get to that point is for each of us to do our part in the coming months to reduce the spread of the virus—continue to wear masks, maintain distance, avoid high-risk indoor gatherings, and get vaccinated as soon as a vaccine becomes available to us."

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/achieving-herd-immunity-with-covid19.html

IMO, even if your own health prospects are of little or no concern to you, opting not to get vaccinated is a self-centered and self-absorbed choice which displays a callous disregard for your neighbors and community.
Except in cases where someone isn't able to take the vaccine. Then it's not self absorbed. It's self preservation. Nobody should have to die from taking a vaccine to make someone else feel better.
 
"IMO, even if your own health prospects are of little or no concern to you, opting not to get vaccinated is a self-centered and self-absorbed choice which displays a callous disregard for your neighbors and community."

MY own health is very much a concern to ME. Opting to not get vaccinated or waiting is MY right. I am no threat to my neighbors or community. I wear a mask if I have to go anywhere, I use hand sanitizer, wash my hands with soap an water. I order online, only interact with those in my small bubble.


You don't know me or any others here who have stated they are not sure about or not going to be vaccinated, yet in your mind we are ALL self-centered and self-absorbed, callous with no regard for our neighbors or community. SMH :rolleyes: :mad::rolleyes:
 
I honestly don't think we know each other well enough in a forum to make direct, personal statements about each other. My suggestion is to read the article, and if one wants to make comments/express opinions about it, please keep them GENERAL rather than coming across as attacking those who hold different opinions.

Since I am not a moderator, all I can do is appeal to everyone's "better nature".

Thanks,

Tony
If you don't see the problem Tony, then it's a good thing you're not a moderator. The last paragragh in the op's threadstarter was a "self-absorbed, callous with no regard" attack on anyone here that's out of step with her opinion on getting the wuhan china virus vaccine.... IMO
 
While I have seen some good information come from John Hopkins during this China Whuan flu pandemic, afaic, injecting such a ludicrous opinion at the end of your post tends to discredit your entire post and is very telling about your real intentions in starting this thread. If I wanted opinions, I would tune in to Dr Fauci.
Ooh... that's a bit harsh. It was an opinion, and clearly indicated as such. :confused:

It is my assessment, another word for an opinion, that Dr Fauci's advice is very sound, or at least as sound as current experience of the pandemic will allow.

I thought (my opinion again) that the article from Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health was well written and very informative.
 
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I have a prediction:
Governments around the globe will have to, at some point, insist on mandatory covid vaccinations (except for those who are medically unfit).

Freedom to do certain things will be strongly curtailed and those who refuse may find themselves tied to their homes.
 
I have a prediction:
Governments around the globe will have to, at some point, insist on mandatory covid vaccinations (except for those who are medically unfit).

Freedom to do certain things will be strongly curtailed and those who refuse may find themselves tied to their homes.
I don't think that will be necessary other than for people working in certain specified occupations. Some vaccinations are already mandatory for specified professions such as nursing.

People who refuse vaccination for themselves may find themselves excluded from some venues, plane flights or work places. While we should all have the right to accept or reject medical treatments or vaccinations, we don't have the right to roll the dice for other people.

Before my first grand child was born I had myself vaccinated against pertussis (whooping cough). The alternative was going to be not seeing him until he was old enough to begin his own vaccination program. As it turned out, because of COVID, I saw very little of him in his first year of life but I still think my decision was the right one.

PS I made Hubby front up for the pertussis jab too.
 
If you don't see the problem Tony, then it's a good thing you're not a moderator. The last paragragh in the op's threadstarter was a "self-absorbed, callous with no regard" attack on anyone here that's out of step with her opinion on getting the wuhan china virus vaccine.... IMO
Who said I didn't see the problem? I saw that last paragraph and the follow up posts responding in kind to it and made my post. Where do people get other interpretations from my post from?

What I was asking people to do essentially was to respond to the article content and not that last paragraph so that there might be civil discussion. If I were a moderator, I would have either removed the entire thread or at least that last paragraph.

What I don't appreciate is putting up a post and then having to explain myself to all those who misinterpret or simply don't read what I said. It is frustrating, to say the least. Why not just move on and try to be civil in this thread despite that last paragraph? So far, there have only been two such posts and I hope that is the end of it. Fortunately, there were clearly more who understood it than not, based on the "like" responses to it.

Please, reread it carefully and at least think about it. This thread could be quite productive if we can just get past the last paragraph of the OP.

Tony
 
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Or, as alternative captions for those pictures,

#1 - People flocking to mass events, such as sports, weddings, parties, political rallies, concerts, etc. without wearing masks or observing social distancing, and a few days later heading for the hospital, and for many of them, the morgue.

#2 - A brilliant, open-minded doctor who is alert and receptive to what the research tells him, and is advanced enough intellectually to state that due to this research, he has changed his mind about some aspects.

Changing one's mind is not a sign of weakness; it is a sign of intelligence.
 
:ROFLMAO:
So NOW you think its rude, btw you forgot to call me a racist
Interesting, amusing
#1 - reaching flock immunity
 

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