Herd Immunity

MarciKS said:
does this mean that all the fine folks who refuse the vaccine can be depicted as being the same as these folks? i'm sorry but i think it's extremely rude to refer to us as sheep because we chose to protect ourselves. you sir are ignorant.
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Hey, who gave you permission to take my photo without my consent? (I'm the one with the swastika & beard)
 
tbeltrans said:
I honestly don't think we know each other well enough in a forum to make direct, personal statements about each other. My suggestion is to read the article, and if one wants to make comments/express opinions about it, please keep them GENERAL rather than coming across as attacking those who hold different opinions.

Since I am not a moderator, all I can do is appeal to everyone's "better nature".

Thanks,

Tony
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Well said.
 
I think we fit somewhere within these three scenarios

Those who have underlying health problems will get the jab

Those who are keen to get back to socializing and to go on holiday will get the jab

Those who will hang back and wait and see, won’t get the jab.

At this moment I’m in the hang back and see what happens group.
 
Warrigal said:
There is another category : those who realise that until the majority of the population is immunised, the country will be unable to resume normal commercial operations. People will remain unemployed.

I'm one of that group.
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Not necessarily. It depends upon where one lives and what one does for a living. In the U.S., California, our largest state, is reopening its economy in June but the governor will not repeal the mask mandate. But he does tell all residents of the state to get vaccinated anyway. There IS no getting back to normal or freedom now. It's just get vaccinated so your case of covid won't kill you while I've been doing that for the past year on my own and with no mask even because I can't wear one. I just don't see the benefit of being vaccinated at this time.
 
tbeltrans said:
Who said I didn't see the problem? I saw that last paragraph and the follow up posts responding in kind to it and made my post. Where do people get other interpretations from my post from?

What I was asking people to do essentially was to respond to the article content and not that last paragraph so that there might be civil discussion. If I were a moderator, I would have either removed the entire thread or at least that last paragraph.

What I don't appreciate is putting up a post and then having to explain myself to all those who misinterpret or simply don't read what I said. It is frustrating, to say the least. Why not just move on and try to be civil in this thread despite that last paragraph? So far, there have only been two such posts and I hope that is the end of it. Fortunately, there were clearly more who understood it than not, based on the "like" responses to it.

Please, reread it carefully and at least think about it. This thread could be quite productive if we can just get past the last paragraph of the OP.

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If only everyone on these forum sites was as reasonable as you are! So often these threads descend into abuse and personal attacks. It's even worse when mods get involved in the attacks, which does happen on other sites.
 
Cognitive dissonance seems to be alive and thriving in these covid threads. The covid issues should probably be a subject where you nake few assumptions, question everthing you read or hear, keep an open mind and listen more than you preach. Just my 2¢.
 
chic said:
Not necessarily. It depends upon where one lives and what one does for a living. In the U.S., California, our largest state, is reopening its economy in June but the governor will not repeal the mask mandate. But he does tell all residents of the state to get vaccinated anyway. There IS no getting back to normal or freedom now. It's just get vaccinated so your case of covid won't kill you while I've been doing that for the past year on my own and with no mask even because I can't wear one. I just don't see the benefit of being vaccinated at this time.
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Some sectors are OK but over in Australia there are industries that have been very severely hit - tourism, for example. You cannot come to Australia for a holiday without going into at least two weeks quarantine at your own expense, and that is only if you can get a seat on a plane. Similarly we are finding it difficult to find people to pick the fruit because the seasonal workers and backpackers are not allowed in. A lot of it is going to waste and prices in the shops is unnecessarily high.

The live entertainment industry has been devastated. Recently a much anticipated music festival was called off at a days notice because there had been an outbreak in that general area and it was feared that the festival would be a super spreader event. Financially it was a disaster to the organisers and local businesses.

Some industries, such as aviation, are hanging by a thread. Without lots of financial support from the government this sector would collapse and this arrangement cannot be be continued indefinitely. Vaccination will not be a silver bullet that puts everything back to the way it was but if 80% or so of the population are are immune then COVID 19 will be a lot less damaging to normal social and commercial life. It will certainly take the pressure of the doctors and nurses on the front line. They are getting very close to burnout and who will replace them?
 
The anti-vaccine taunters will keep up their "comedy routine," no matter how effective the vaccine is in stopping, or at least greatly mitigating this killer of a disease. It's become a badge of honor with some people, tied to their politics and what their friends are thinking.

Then, after they recover from a very serious illness, with possibly lifelong effects on their health, they will quietly slink off and get vaccinated, just in case they don't have enough antibodies to fight it next time. That is, the ones who are lucky enough to survive the disease. (I am not referring to those who have medical issues that prevent them from getting the vaccine, which I suspect is a very, very small part of the population.) For most of us, the vaccine is harmless and 95% effective.

Coming up with these articles about "So-and-So got the vaccine and then got the disease anyway" proves nothing. There's always that unlucky 5%. But how about everybody taking a deep breath, stop the silly taunting - pictures of sheep, etc. - and try looking at this with some plain old common sense, and behaving like adults?

This week, my community (of seniors) is starting its return to normal living. Most of us have been fully vaccinated. Last night, I played Scrabble at a friend's house; it was such a pleasure for us all to take the masks off and once again have a pleasant, fear-free evening with friends! Today, bridge resumes. Our restaurants have reopened. We probably won't completely return to normal social activities until the fall, but little by little we're getting there - thanks to the fact that most people have enough sense to take care of their health. We were all surprised and delighted at what a wonderful thing it is to once again interact with people without fear of catching a horrible disease, without masks, without measuring the distance between us, etc.

A big thank you to Dr. Fauci and all the other scientists and medical personnel working around the clock!
 
🌹🌹🌹Prior to 2020, most of us had never heard of the word 'coronavirus' …however… for people in the science community, the term was nothing new.

Coronaviruses are a well-known family of viruses, thought to be behind up to a third of all common colds, and responsible for the SARS epidemic in 2003, and MERS outbreak in 2012.

Previous work on SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV, and other common human coronaviruses meant researchers weren't totally starting from scratch with SARS-CoV-2. They already had some understanding of the virus's biology.

For anyone to think that Covid-19 vaccine development kicked off when the pandemic did, shows they dd no research on the subject. In reality, scientists had spent years building vaccine technologies that could be quickly adapted to emerging viral threats … sometimes known as 'Disease X'.

Thanks to funding bodies like the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness (CEPI), researchers at Oxford University had been working on a vaccine that could be quickly tweaked to target COVID-19.

The technology involves using a harmless common cold virus (that infects chimpanzees) and engineering it to carry proteins of other viruses you want to protect against.

The research meant that as soon as the genetic sequence of SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) became available, the Oxford team was able to use the virus's genetic blueprint to modify their vaccine and begin testing it in clinical trials.

Similarly, development of a different vaccine approach, using mRNA technology … used in both Pfizer's and Moderna's COVID-19 vaccines… allowed researchers to work much faster than if they had relied on traditional vaccine methods, such as using weakened or inactivated parts of the virus.

Like the Oxford vaccine, the mRNA vaccines could be made fast because they only required the genetic sequence of SARS-CoV-2, and not a sample of the actual virus.

Vaccine research costs money … a lot of money… and often this can be difficult to secure. However this time round, thanks to billions of dollars from governments, the private sector, and funding bodies like CEPI, researchers had access to immediate and substantial funding for COVID-19 vaccines.

This meant multiple clinical trials were launched quickly, and pharmaceutical companies were able to manufacture and stockpile vaccines before they even knew if they were effective.

Thanks to significant funding injections and lots of people willing to take part in research, scientists have been able to run clinical trials in parallel … e.g. recruiting for phase 3 while they're still finishing phase 1 … rather than do things sequentially (and slowly).

The message here is: the Covid vaccines were not “rushed” as some have wrongly assumed. It has been in the making for many years.

No one knows whether it is 110% effective, just as researchers did not know with all the previous pandemical vaccines. Being effective meaning whether it will protect you from the virus or not… only time will tell.

What is known at this point in time is: people with underlying medical conditions should seek advice from their doctors who have their medical history. Reasonably healthy people have no reason whatsoever not to take the vaccine.

Source of information: Various.

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In order to achieve herd immunity, a significant percentage of the population has to be vaccinated.

In effect then, the brave ones who are readily getting vaccinated are carrying the can for the uncaring, selfish, closed minded non thinkers...how atrocious!

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Dana said:
🌹🌹🌹Prior to 2020, most of us had never heard of the word 'coronavirus' …however… for people in the science community, the term was nothing new.

Coronaviruses are a well-known family of viruses, thought to be behind up to a third of all common colds, and responsible for the SARS epidemic in 2003, and MERS outbreak in 2012.

Previous work on SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV, and other common human coronaviruses meant researchers weren't totally starting from scratch with SARS-CoV-2. They already had some understanding of the virus's biology.

For anyone to think that Covid-19 vaccine development kicked off when the pandemic did, shows they dd no research on the subject. In reality, scientists had spent years building vaccine technologies that could be quickly adapted to emerging viral threats … sometimes known as 'Disease X'.

Thanks to funding bodies like the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness (CEPI), researchers at Oxford University had been working on a vaccine that could be quickly tweaked to target COVID-19.

The technology involves using a harmless common cold virus (that infects chimpanzees) and engineering it to carry proteins of other viruses you want to protect against.

The research meant that as soon as the genetic sequence of SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) became available, the Oxford team was able to use the virus's genetic blueprint to modify their vaccine and begin testing it in clinical trials.

Similarly, development of a different vaccine approach, using mRNA technology … used in both Pfizer's and Moderna's COVID-19 vaccines… allowed researchers to work much faster than if they had relied on traditional vaccine methods, such as using weakened or inactivated parts of the virus.

Like the Oxford vaccine, the mRNA vaccines could be made fast because they only required the genetic sequence of SARS-CoV-2, and not a sample of the actual virus.

Vaccine research costs money … a lot of money… and often this can be difficult to secure. However this time round, thanks to billions of dollars from governments, the private sector, and funding bodies like CEPI, researchers had access to immediate and substantial funding for COVID-19 vaccines.

This meant multiple clinical trials were launched quickly, and pharmaceutical companies were able to manufacture and stockpile vaccines before they even knew if they were effective.

Thanks to significant funding injections and lots of people willing to take part in research, scientists have been able to run clinical trials in parallel … e.g. recruiting for phase 3 while they're still finishing phase 1 … rather than do things sequentially (and slowly).

The message here is: the Covid vaccines were not “rushed” as some have wrongly assumed. It has been in the making for many years.

No one knows whether it is 110% effective, just as researchers did not know with all the previous pandemical vaccines. Being effective meaning whether it will protect you from the virus or not… only time will tell.

What is known at this point in time is: people with underlying medical conditions should seek advice from their doctors who have their medical history. Reasonably healthy people have no reason whatsoever not to take the vaccine.

Source of information: Various.

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Link to this article?
 
Sunny said:
SNIP

A big thank you to Dr. Fauci and all the other scientists and medical personnel working around the clock!
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Fauci? Out of curiosity, did you following Fauci's advice when he said:

There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.​
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I wonder how many people followed Fauci's advice when he changed horses and said to wear a mask and then doubled down to suggest you wear two masks, which has now been proven to be very unhealthy. Fauci flip-flops like a slinky going down the stairs. Definitely kudos to the experts on the front lines, but Fauci's not one of them. He is a DC bureaucrat and mouthpiece at best and not a good one at either.

That's my 2¢
 


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