Herd Immunity

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In order to achieve herd immunity, a significant percentage of the population has to be vaccinated.

In effect then, the brave ones who are readily getting vaccinated are carrying the can for the uncaring, selfish, closed minded non thinkers...how atrocious!

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"Brave ones?" No. "Frightened ones." Big difference between bravery and fear.
Hey, if getting vaccinated makes you feel like a hero......go for it. You can hang a sign in front of your house: "Vaccinated Hero Lives Here."
 

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MarciKS said:
Those of us who have been vaccinated are being referred to as sheep. So we're getting attacked too. And many of us don't feel the way the others think we do. They're just assuming the worst and acting like aholes.
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Big difference: Those individuals are retaliating after being attacked by self righteous, controlling aholes who choose to get vaccinated.
When you hit someone, you can't expect not to get hit back.
 
StarSong said:
I got vaccinated because I don't want to get sick (again), or to spread sickness. Also, I want my social life back. Simple as that.

Yes I'd like the link also because this various source article is the same one she posted last night under the Earth and Science thread. The same one I and Keesha were attacked for pointing out a small conflicting bit of information which was backed up by the CDC.I noticed this article now has been changed to reflect the CDC information I quoted.

"What is known at this point in time is: people with underlying medical conditions should seek advice from their doctors who have their medical history."

So was the original article changed or has the poster changed it?

If the poster changed it???? Then its not a legitimate article.
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i noticed that too. Maybe that’s why she so quickly jumped on us for pointing it out. She probably hadn’t thought of it that way so got her thread deleted and blamed us for it being deleted. I honestly don’t know. Only she knows why she did what she did.

The previous article seemed to have hand picked parts that she wished to high light until she realized that it didn’t make sense; ‘especially’ the part about people with underlying conditions ( which would suggest ‘most’ of us.)

And I’m ok with continuing to wear a mask when around others which is almost never.
Im either by myself or with my husband ONLY 95% of the time and always have been.
 

Pink Biz said:
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.... opting not to get vaccinated is a self-centered and self-absorbed choice which displays a callous disregard for your neighbors and community.
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Lewkat said:
The OP merely offered her own generalized opinion and it is amusing that so many on here took it personally. What a bunch.
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Yes, I agree with the last part of your statement Lewkat, What a bunch....
 
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Bullying is easy when hiding behind a keyboard. In person, one risks immediate consequences. So, yes, there will likely be a lot of uncalled for bullying here. I would not be at all surprised if we lose members over this. Personally, I wish we could have civil discourse in which we all come out better informed, especially considering that most, if not all of us, have been alive long enough to be expected to have matured.

Tony
 
According to the CDC you still have to wear masks AFTER being vaccinated so this statement is not entirely accurate. I wouldn't blame anybody, vaccinated or not, for complaining about wearing masks after 13 months.
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Chic, my understanding is that people who have been fully vaccinated do not have to wear masks when they are meeting with other fully vaccinated people. I think you are supposed to wait 2 weeks, that's all. Everybody around here is still wearing the mask when mingling in public, because we don't know who has been vaccinated, and we're wearing it for their protection, not ours. But once indoors, our masks come off. At my Scrabble game last night, and my bridge game this afternoon, nobody was wearing a mask, and we were all strict mask-wearers before getting the vaccine.

Where did you get this 13 months idea from?
 
Sunny said:
Chic, my understanding is that people who have been fully vaccinated do not have to wear masks when they are meeting with other fully vaccinated people. I think you are supposed to wait 2 weeks, that's all. Everybody around here is still wearing the mask when mingling in public, because we don't know who has been vaccinated, and we're wearing it for their protection, not ours. But once indoors, our masks come off. At my Scrabble game last night, and my bridge game this afternoon, nobody was wearing a mask, and we were all strict mask-wearers before getting the vaccine.

Where did you get this 13 months idea from?
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The CDC recommendations are a little contradictory..

They define fully vaccinated as:
People are considered fully vaccinated:
2 weeks after their second dose in a 2-dose series, such as the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, or
2 weeks after a single-dose vaccine, such as Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen vaccine
If you don’t meet these requirements, you are NOT fully vaccinated.

Then they say "After you’ve been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, you should keep taking precautions—like wearing a mask, staying 6 feet apart from others, and avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated spaces—in public places until we know more."

Then just below that, they say "Keep taking all precautions until you are fully vaccinated."

Their recommendations are not consistent. They should either say wear a mask UNTIL you are fully vaccinated, or continuing wearing a mask AFTER you are fully vaccinated.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html
 
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Ah, so a few are clamouring for a link to my post # 47… never fear, o ye of little faith. I do have a link ... Í never post any information unless I can prove where it coms from…however…why should I make life easy for non-believers? Let us see how skilful you are at doing your own research 😉

Now let’s see… any seven year old these days can find that information on the internet in three minutes, takes about two minutes to post the link…that’s five minutes flat.

If and when you produce a link… then… I shall post the original link….so hurry up, get busy!
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Just for the record....no one was "attacked" on the Earth Science section where I posted my thread yesterday. Those claims are twisted and mangled...I am not going to waste my precious time defending myself against gossip... anyone is welcome to believe what they like.
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tbeltrans said:
I honestly don't think we know each other well enough in a forum to make direct, personal statements about each other. My suggestion is to read the article, and if one wants to make comments/express opinions about it, please keep them GENERAL rather than coming across as attacking those who hold different opinions.

Since I am not a moderator, all I can do is appeal to everyone's "better nature".

Thanks,

Tony
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No...you are certainly not a moderator...perhaps you should leave that job to the SF moderators...
 
tbeltrans said:
Who said I didn't see the problem? I saw that last paragraph and the follow up posts responding in kind to it and made my post. Where do people get other interpretations from my post from?

What I was asking people to do essentially was to respond to the article content and not that last paragraph so that there might be civil discussion. If I were a moderator, I would have either removed the entire thread or at least that last paragraph.

What I don't appreciate is putting up a post and then having to explain myself to all those who misinterpret or simply don't read what I said. It is frustrating, to say the least. Why not just move on and try to be civil in this thread despite that last paragraph? So far, there have only been two such posts and I hope that is the end of it. Fortunately, there were clearly more who understood it than not, based on the "like" responses to it.

Please, reread it carefully and at least think about it. This thread could be quite productive if we can just get past the last paragraph of the OP.

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There is nothing wrong with the last paragraph of the OP's post;
 
Dana said:
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Ah, so a few are clamouring for a link to my post # 47… never fear, o ye of little faith. I do have a link ... Í never post any information unless I can prove where it coms from…however…why should I make life easy for non-believers? Let us see how skilful you are at doing your own research 😉

Now let’s see… any seven year old these days can find that information on the internet in three minutes, takes about two minutes to post the link…that’s five minutes flat.

If and when you produce a link… then… I shall post the original link….so hurry up, get busy!
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Are we sure this is a Senior over 55 posting this??? It sounds more like a child. :rolleyes:
 
win231 said:
What a crock. If a vaccine worked, no one would be concerned about unvaccinated people. Trying to convince others to make the same decision you made indicates a typical controlling personality. It also indicates how little confidence you have in the vaccine.
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I agree. No one including doctors/hospitals have all the answers... they are just as confused as we are. No one should be made to feel bad for getting or not getting the vaccine.. it's a personal decision. What confuses me is people that has been FULLY vaccinated are afraid to go out in public without a mask and visit love ones. I understand in some States masks are still mandated. A friend of mine has been fully vaccinated but said she will continue to wear a mask even when it is no longer mandated.
 
Becky1951 said:
"IMO, even if your own health prospects are of little or no concern to you, opting not to get vaccinated is a self-centered and self-absorbed choice which displays a callous disregard for your neighbors and community."

MY own health is very much a concern to ME. Opting to not get vaccinated or waiting is MY right. I am no threat to my neighbors or community. I wear a mask if I have to go anywhere, I use hand sanitizer, wash my hands with soap an water. I order online, only interact with those in my small bubble.

You don't know me or any others here who have stated they are not sure about or not going to be vaccinated, yet in your mind we are ALL self-centered and self-absorbed, callous with no regard for our neighbors or community. SMH :rolleyes: :mad::rolleyes:
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GREAT POST!!!! I am SMH with you. I contacted my dr office and she understands why I am not able to get the vaccine. She said she will notate my medical records. Does that make me self-centered...No, makes me aware of my body.
 
Dana said:
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Ah, so a few are clamouring for a link to my post # 47… never fear, o ye of little faith. I do have a link ... Í never post any information unless I can prove where it coms from…however…why should I make life easy for non-believers? Let us see how skilful you are at doing your own research 😉

Now let’s see… any seven year old these days can find that information on the internet in three minutes, takes about two minutes to post the link…that’s five minutes flat.

If and when you produce a link… then… I shall post the original link….so hurry up, get busy!
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Yes even a 7 year old can see right though this.
You cannot provide a link because there isn't one, so you challenge other to find this non existent link knowing it can't be found, therefore you never have to show a link that you don't have. Nice try. 😂
 
Ladybj said:
GREAT POST!!!! I am SMH with you. I contacted my dr office and she understands why I am not able to get the vaccine. She said she will notate my medical records. Does that make me self-centered...No, makes me aware of my body.
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I had a virtual appointment this afternoon with my Dr. She said she honestly didn't feel comfortable recommending for me to get the vaccine. In a way that took a lot of pressure off me and I was planning to get the vaccine when I felt more comfortable about its safety, and so far I certainly did not feel that comfort level with all the reports of serious side effects and deaths.
Who knows what the future will bring, maybe new meds to treat Covid or a safer vaccine.
 
Dana said:
There is nothing wrong with the last paragraph of the OP's post;
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No matter what I say, somebody will find fault. I don't intend to go around and around here. I just wish people would practice civility.

This is what I said: I saw that last paragraph and the follow up posts responding in kind to it and made my post. Where do people get other interpretations from my post from?

Whatever we might each think of that last paragraph, much of the snarkiness was in response to it. That was my point, not taking sides about the paragraph itself. I didn't attack that paragraph, but instead asked for civility after seeing responses to it. I guess that is too much to ask for. I am ashamed of the course this thread has taken and no longer wish to be a part of it.

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Becky1951 said:
Yes even a 7 year old can see right though this.
You cannot provide a link because there isn't one, so you challenge other to find this non existent link knowing it can't be found, therefore you never have to show a link that you don't have. Nice try. 😂
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I hope you have an egg ready for your face Becky :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: when I post the link. I am waiting for Pro Trucker to do his research. Obviously, you did not do any yourself or you would have found it🍁🍁
 
Becky1951 said:
I had a virtual appointment this afternoon with my Dr. She said she honestly didn't feel comfortable recommending for me to get the vaccine. In a way that took a lot of pressure off me and I was planning to get the vaccine when I felt more comfortable about its safety, and so far I certainly did not feel that comfort level with all the reports of serious side effects and deaths.
Who knows what the future will bring, maybe new meds to treat Covid or a safer vaccine.
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Same here..when I was told by my doc office that they understand why I was not able to get it - she understood and said better safe than sorry. Imagine 10 people in a room..all but 1 has been fully vaccinated.. so the 1 can spread the vaccine to those fully vaccinated or the 10 can spread the virus to the 1 person that has not been vaccinated. Something is wrong with that picture....JMO
 


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