Before anyone else takes the shot

Lethe200 said:
Wow, six pages of commentary posts and no one questioned the validity of the original post. Interesting....

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Perhap it is more like no one felt the need to attack the OP as much as you. It certainly was discussed from various angles and viewpoints.
 

Lethe200 said:
Wow, six pages of commentary posts and no one questioned the validity of the original post. Interesting....

Fact check: COVID-19 vaccine not associated with neurodegenerative disease
USA TODAY 31March2021
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...cine-not-associated-prion-disease/7053007002/

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Prion disease and COVID-19 vaccines
Contrary to Classen's claim, there is no evidence to suggest the COVID-19 vaccines can cause prion diseases or other neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's.

USA TODAY found no mention in its review of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's decision memorandums for both Pfizer and Moderna's vaccines, which involved clinical trials with tens of thousands of volunteers. Similarly, no cases have been reported to the federal government's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, or VAERS.

"VAERS has received no reports of prion-related diseases, Alzheimer's disease, or amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) after COVID-19 vaccination," said Martha Sharan, a spokesperson for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, to PolitiFact in February. "No evidence to date indicates a causative association between COVID-19 vaccines and these conditions."

Dr. Angela Rasmussen, a virologist affiliated with Georgetown University, told USA TODAY Classen's paper held "no scientific weight at all" and that the journal his article is published in, Microbiology & Infectious Diseases, was "not a reputable or reliable journal." (Microbiology & Infectious Diseases is an open-access journal published by SciVision Publishers, a potential predatory publisher intended for profit rather than academic peer-review.)

Dr. David Gorski, professor of surgery and oncology at the Wayne State University School of Medicine, echoed Rasmussen in a Feb. 22 blog post for Science-Based Medicine.

"What we have here is a whole heck of a lot of speculation, with the finding of an obscure connection based on methodology that is not explained with anywhere near the level of rigor a real molecular biology or bioinformatics scientist would require to be convinced," Gorski concludes.

It's worth noting this is not the first time Classen has used "science" to claim vaccines do more harm than good. In 1999, he claimed the influenza vaccine caused type 1 diabetes, a claim disproven by Johns Hopkins University's Institute for Vaccine Safety.
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Thanks for doing the research. I rather suspected the full story was along these lines.
 
StarSong said:
That's not what the article says.
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More important is what the article doesn't say. (although there is one line about 3/4's down the page that stands out).
"Vaccines have to go through a number of stages before they are approved".
So, this was written in Dec. of 2020. Well, which vaccine has been FDA approved?
Also, I noticed the article glossed over the fact that it’s easy to forget that many other illnesses, including the common cold, are actually caused by coronaviruses.
 
Before you jump to that Reuters fact checker's, (who will split hairs again and something like "the common cold and COVID-19 are not caused by the same coronavirus"). Of course leaving out all the other variants of a cold .
Coronaviruses have four main sub-groups: alpha, beta, gamma, and delta. While they can infect people and animals, human coronaviruses were first identified in the 1960s. These are the seven known coronaviruses that can infect people, per the CDC:

From prevention dot com.

Is the common cold caused by a coronavirus?​

Yes, but not all colds are caused by a coronavirus.

  1. 229E (alpha coronavirus)
  2. NL63 (alpha coronavirus)
  3. OC43 (beta coronavirus)
  4. HKU1 (beta coronavirus)
  5. MERS-CoV (the beta coronavirus that causes Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, or MERS)
  6. SARS-CoV (the beta coronavirus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS)
  7. SARS-CoV-2 (the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19)
Where are all the vaccines for all these that have been a problem a lot longer?
 
MarciKS said:
For younger folks I could see that. For us we might get it regardless of the vaccine.

I just hope everything in these articles they're putting out is actual fact. If not then people will be rejecting a vaccine based solely on fear.

I also understand not wanting to take the vaccine if it's not going to stop the virus. But it would be nice to slow it down and take some of it's strength away so that it might become no more harmful than the flu.
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That's the problem... we or whomever is putting out the articles have no clue. It's a "let's wait and see".
 
Ladybj said:
I agree to disagree with the study. It clearly states its a "study" not a known fact. But it is what it is. Does not sway me one way or the other.
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It wasn't meant to "sway you one way or the other". Just showing the correlation between education and getting vaccinated. Neither group was 100% either way.
 
Homeschoolie said:
I was having very severe slow thinking, bad memory, etc. problems. Started taking well researched natural supplements to treat it. I VERY much improved.

But then plateaued at my much improved level. Nothing I did brought any further improvement. This went on for years.

UNTIL I had the one shot Johnson and Johnson from the Netherlands. (I am a firm believer that the source that makes substances we use makes a difference too.)

Within a week or so after vaccination my mind improved a lot. I am now quicker thinking, and sharper thinking almost like I was years ago before my decline. I had always had a very quick mind.
It is like night and day difference. I had changed nothing else in my supplements, diet, lifestyle, habits to trigger a change.

For those of you who will jump on this as a vaccine sales pitch or made up story etc.
It is not. It is just sharing what my experience was. I have nothing to gain by making this up and nothing to gain by sharing it.
All I know is whatever it triggered in my body Yippee. I just hope that the fix is permanent and I don't go back to how I was.
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You are one of the fortunate ones... My hubby had the 2nd shot and I see a change in him.. will not go into detail on this site or any site.
 
Ladybj said:
OH YESSSSSS it is to sway. Again. I agree to disagree. Those who chose to get it great, those who chose not to get it great.
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It's just data. And it is not about the vaccine itself, it is about how us folks see the vaccines, based on race and education levels. Are you saying you disagree with the data?
 
Gary O' said:
Wife and I are not getting 'the shot'
I was on the fence, but after our son died earlier this month, four days after the Moderna vaccine....no thanks

Either way, its a crap shoot.

All in all, no matter how much research you do
Know this;
You are the research

Pick yer poison
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Hey Gary O'
So sorry to hear about your son. WOW... Unfortunately its experimental at this point and a lot of people are getting so sick. Not all but too many. One death is too many.
 
I am not reading all the palaver up above, but whoever said this... "education is the key to who gets the vaccine" or something along those lines...made the best observation.

Yes...the problem lies with lay people putting up posts which they have not examined and expressing strong opinions purely from a personal POV and without any data to back it up.

The very idea of anyone putting up a thread with the bold statement "before anyone else takes the shot" .. is such an insult to the intelligence of members especially since the OP has failed to present any real facts. However, making another incorrect statement about Gene Therapy without even possibly reading Post # 32 (‼️ ) which talks about the very subject, but carries on with the charade, beggars belief!
 

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