prisons

This thread is concerned with prisons and criminals.

I thought this may be of interest:
Wyoming ranked worst for drunk driving problems and had more fatalities per 100,000 people than any other state.
North Dakota was the state with the most DUIs, trailed by South Dakota and Wyoming.
The four most dangerous states (Wyoming, North Dakota, Montana and Idaho) for drunk driving share the same geographic region.
 

StarSong said:
I don't doubt any of this for a moment, 911. I despair over it, particularly over the ones who can be (and want to be) rehabilitated, but I sure don't doubt what you're saying. Thank you for taking the time to type it out. Very scary stuff.
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And, this is only the beginning of the story. Some of the things that prisoners come up with are unimaginable. Pennsylvania has finally started to segregate prisoners by offense. Lifers are now held in their own block. The lesser the offense, the lesser the security. White collar criminals are also placed in their own block. This would be like for embezzlement, unlawful taking, etc.

The bad-asses from the streets are all thrown together. if they went to kill each other, so-be-it. Guards respond, but there's no hurry. Throwing these jerks in the hole does no good. It's an honor badge to them. Doing time in the hole makes them a martyr to their fellow gang member. Besides, going into the hole for a few months isn't so bad. He won't have to work. He gets 1 hour a day in the yard by himself, 2 showers a week, if he behaves and 3 hots and a cot to lay on for a few months. It's like going on R&R to them.
 
There was a time when a thing called "street justice" could have an influence on who ended up in prison and who didn't. In its purest and best form, street justice went something like this: "Do something good and we'll help and support you. Do something bad and we'll hurt you." I have seen it save more than one kid; however, major problems can readily arise in the interpretation of what's good, what's bad and what constitutes hurt.
 
Judycat said:
My youngest son is a new prison guard. He says the lifers are OK because they know they did wrong, the rest can be a pain in the a**, but the administrators cause a lot more problems than the prisoners. Don't tell anyone. Oops.
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I would speak with the guards at the prisons before I retired. Some would tell me of the poor treatment that they received from upper management. Long hours, double shifts, etc. That's not to mention the crap the prisoners would lay on them.

What prison is he working in?
 
911 said:
I would speak with the guards at the prisons before I retired. Some would tell me of the poor treatment that they received from upper management. Long hours, double shifts, etc. That's not to mention the crap the prisoners would lay on them.

What prison is he working in?
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Somerset State Correctional
 
Judycat said:
Somerset State Correctional
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Oh, yeah, Laurel Highlands. I think that's where Jerry Sandusky is living out his life. I saw him right after he was moved there from Bellefonte (Rockview Sate Prison). He was very depressed as he should have been. I think they were going to move him to the protective custody block.

I remember this because we had about a 2-minute conversation. When he started telling me why he was innocent, I had to walk away.
 
On the subject prisons, get a load of this 1773 prison dormitory - an old copper mine that was used to house prisoners underground.

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I went down in the mine to get the above picture, which was taken with the camera level. As you can see, the area was slanted down, damp, slippery/slimy and had a low ceiling. I didn't go far. This is Old Newgate Prison in CT.
 
Judycat said:
My youngest son is a new prison guard. He says the lifers are OK because they know they did wrong, the rest can be a pain in the a**, but the administrators cause a lot more problems than the prisoners. Don't tell anyone. Oops.
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That is very interesting. I would have assumed that the lifers would be the problem since they have little to loose. Only someone working on the inside will know what actually is going on.
 
5-4-21
Watching 'Frontline,' "95% of the people arrested and charged never have a trial. There placed on probation"

You believe that 95%, hard to accept
 
justfred said:
What are your views on prisons. Over here there is very little difference between a prison and a holiday hotel. The only difference being the 'guests' in prison cannot walk out when they feel like it. They have televisions, computers, a gym, games rooms and it does cost them a penny as the tax payer foots the bill
Should any criminal sent to prison be punished for the crime he or she has committed or as the authorities say 'for rehabilitation'
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Not sure where you are located but I know someone that was in prison and it was not a holiday hotel. They saw someone that hung themself. I have heard all sorts of horrible events.
 
I worked in jails for 26 years(local Sheriff's dept) and worked in state prisons later on. Inmates are as diverse as any people in society at large.
A lot of folks want draconian conditions to be implemented(dark ages, wizard of ID style). That's wonderful, satisfies one's cruelty cravings.
But if we ever expect to release these people back into society, you can't take away their sense of humanity. Obviously there is a percentage of inmates that need to be locked up forever, but for the typical every-mother's -baby-boy, you want them catch a even break so they don't get turned into monsters by the very system society expects to deal with these people.
 
Ladybj said:
Not sure where you are located but I know someone that was in prison and it was not a holiday hotel. They saw someone that hung themself. I have heard all sorts of horrible events.
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There's prisons and there's prisons

County jails are relatively easy (good turn over)
Min security state prisons are a bit the same
Federal, relatively cushy
State houses? Whoa
They're all over the map

Heh, almost got tossed into the hoosegow in mainland China
(in the wrong place at the very wrong time)
Not so sure I'd have done well there

Funny, Hong Kong was wonderful
Most everyone spoke or at least knew English
Shenzhen...doable
North of that? Just the other side of the dividing line,
best be pickin' up some Mandarin in a hurry
Guangzhou ain't no place for sight seers

Got hooked up with a couple South African gents
They became a tad rowdy and loud after a few drinks
Not sure where the cops took 'em, but never saw 'em again

Yeah, jails/prisons in other countries don't play patty cake so much
It's more like...prison
 
Gary O' said:
Yeah, jails/prisons in other countries don't play patty cake so much
It's more like...prison
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I've got to add something that came to mind;

On my way outa Guangdong province and outa China, I had breakfast with a couple expats.
Man, were they ever hungry for any news from back home.
The one guy had a hugely swollen eye from a spider bite.
No real medical help.
Low end production workers, for nigh to zero wages.
Poor living conditions.
They were essentially prisoners of China.

Glad to get home

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Gary O' said:
I've got to add something that came to mind;

On my way outa Guangdong province and outa China, I had breakfast with a couple expats.
Man, were they ever hungry for any news from back home.
The one guy had a hugely swollen eye from a spider bite.
No real medical help.
Low end production workers, for nigh to zero wages.
Poor living conditions.
They were essentially prisoners of China.

Glad to get home

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What year was this, Gary?
 
I just went down a rabbit hole this weekend watching this guys videos on YouTube. He is a former jewel thief and has many episodes talking about his time (14 years I think) in a Federal prison. He can be boastful and annoying at times but some might find his tales interesting. Just know that it is not for the faint of heart.

 
charry said:
There are too many innocent people serving prison sentences.....šŸ˜”
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The U.S. overall has about 300,000 inmates in custody, most are for non-violent offenses. A big percentage of those are drug related offenses.
It would behoove the various jurisdictions to at least make an attempt at drug rehabilitation, either behind bars or once released so that these people might have a productive life once more,rather than being a continuing burden on society.
 
Seems to me that the biggest part of the "punishment" is the lack of freedom. Imagine being trapped for years, maybe permanently, in a place which you may NEVER get out of, never drive a car, never go anywhere outside of the prison. And maybe have little or no contact with your family and friends.

And you have to eat when and what someone else decides, exercise and sleep when someone else decides, if you have any recreation, it's what someone else decides. Many of your daily companions are cruel, sadistic, mentally ill, psychopathic, full of hatred and constantly spewing offensive language. That's what you are condemned to be surrounded by, day by day.

The living conditions inside the prison are almost irrelevant; it would be awful to be locked up anywhere, even a place that doesn't look like a medieval dungeon.
 
I remember the time when a juvenile stood before the judge and the magistrate gave the guy two choices, Army or Jail and 99% of the smart ones chose the Army maybe not to better themselves but to change their course in life as opposed to going to prison. Either way the recidivism rate was pretty low to nonexistent as opposed to those who held absolutely no value in anything or anybody's life except to ply the streets to prey on others who actually made the right choice to pay their taxes, obey the law, love and respect others and do the right thing.

www.city-journal.org/html/my-black-crime-problem-and-ours-11773.html

Sam says it best.

 
Nathan said:
The U.S. overall has about 300,000 inmates in custody, most are for non-violent offenses. A big percentage of those are drug related offenses.
It would behoove the various jurisdictions to at least make an attempt at drug rehabilitation, either behind bars or once released so that these people might have a productive life once more,rather than being a continuing burden on society.
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From what I'm seeing, between state, local and federal incarcerations, there are over two million people incarcerated in the US right now.
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2020.html
 

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