I kind of got the impression that the reason for forming a consortium was because they received no funding and pooled together their resources. Because SARS and MERS are linked to the coronavirus, it made a good place to start for experimenting with mRNA vaccines. And, since some of the work had been completed, scientists were able to develop a COVID vaccine in less time than it would have taken if they would have had to start at the beginning.
The Science - autopsies from covid-19 vaccinations
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Murrmurr
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Yes, that's true. I was just saying it wasn't without controversy. Maybe that's why they had trouble getting the funding, idk.
Your opinion is no more valid than anyone else's - whether they agree with you or not.
mellowyellow
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My granddaughter and her husband who have two small children, say they will not get the vaccine at a time when our young people are starting to fill up our hospitals. Total insanity IMO.
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CHICAGO — The American Medical Association (AMA) today released a new survey (PDF) among practicing physicians that shows more than 96 percent of surveyed U.S. physicians have been fully vaccinated for COVID-19, with no significant difference in vaccination rates across regions.
“Practicing physicians across the country are leading by example, with an amazing uptake of the COVID-19 vaccines,” said AMA President Susan R. Bailey, MD. “Physicians and clinicians are uniquely positioned to listen to and validate patient concerns, and one of the most powerful anecdotes a physician can offer is that they themselves have been vaccinated. You can take it from your doctor: the COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. With COVID-19 vaccines readily available and approved for all people 12 years old and up, we urge you to get vaccinated—take the single most important step you can to protect yourself, your family, and end the COVID-19 pandemic.”
https://www.ama-assn.org/press-cent...-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19
“Practicing physicians across the country are leading by example, with an amazing uptake of the COVID-19 vaccines,” said AMA President Susan R. Bailey, MD. “Physicians and clinicians are uniquely positioned to listen to and validate patient concerns, and one of the most powerful anecdotes a physician can offer is that they themselves have been vaccinated. You can take it from your doctor: the COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. With COVID-19 vaccines readily available and approved for all people 12 years old and up, we urge you to get vaccinated—take the single most important step you can to protect yourself, your family, and end the COVID-19 pandemic.”
https://www.ama-assn.org/press-cent...-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19
You haven't discussed their reasons with them??
FastTrax
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WOW!!!!!!!! Is this guy lit or what? Ole doc here is living proof that 100% Bolivian flake "IS" available. TOOT TOOT.
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I agree, one has to do their own research and I have done just that. What I have found is too may unanswered questions. We are told what "they" want us to know. Not saying its good or bad - it just is.
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Fear, misinformation, dollar signs are spreading faster then the Virus...jmo.
Ladybj
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Sooooo ten years ago, they were developing a Coronavirus vaccine... "they" must have known something that we didn't. Very interesting if that is true. Makes you go..hmmmmmm. jmo.
The common cold is a corona virus. So they can technically say they started working on a Corona virus vaccine 10 years ago. Do we have a vaccine against the common cold yet?
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The research from previous coronaviruses such as SARS in 2002 and MERS in 2012, are what lead to the beginning of the research for a Covid vaccine.
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mellowyellow
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No, a very strong willed couple, her mother and I have had no success and we have to accept their decision.
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I still remember several incidences from last year, when the US news media was almost hysterical when it came to reporting about "overflowing hospitals" and "lack of ventilators", among other things. Yet, strangely, during that time videos like this one were posted, at the height of the initial Covid "panic", showing hospital workers in what appears to be a hospital ward acting none too concerned about this alleged "pandemic":
REMEMBER THIS SHIP THAT GOVERNOR CUOMO CLAIMED NEW YORK DESPERATELY NEEDED?
REMEMBER THIS SHIP THAT GOVERNOR CUOMO CLAIMED NEW YORK DESPERATELY NEEDED?
ProTruckDriver
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Way too many unanswered questions on this vaccine. I don't want to speak politics but when the leader of the free world said that there were 350 million people vaccinated already in the United States and the population is only about 330 million total. All I can say is WoW!
Yup - when you want everyone to do something, tell them "Everyone else is doing it." They know most people are sheep.
McDonalds - "Billions & Billions Served."
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Therefore some people may be diagnosed with Covid and actually have a common cold...The common cold is a corona virus. So they can technically say they started working on a Corona virus vaccine 10 years ago. Do we have a vaccine against the common cold yet?
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The research from previous coronaviruses such as SARS in 2002 and MERS in 2012, are what lead to the beginning of the research for a Covid vaccine.
Oh, for God's sake, this "bottom line" nonsense has been run into the ground so much (on this forum) that it's coming out the other side! Why is it so terrible for a company that developed a life-saving drug in record time to make a profit by selling it, the same as every other business in this country? How many businesses produce anything and give it out to the public free of charge?
Suddenly, the same people who usually represent the "business" side of things are against one kind of business making a profit, but only that one kind?! Is there no end to this insanity?
And before you bring it up, Win, no, I have no medical professionals or anyone in the pharmaceutical industry in my family. And I don't own any stocks remotely related to the Covid vaccine. No personal connection to any of it, financial or otherwise. I would just like to see more people remain alive, and life return to normal. I really don't care how much or how little profit the companies are making, as long as they are keeping more of us healthy.
Where is the outcry against Amazon, Apple, entertainment and sports venues, junk food franchises? They've been known to make a dollar or two also, without any screaming about it on this forum.
The only important issues about the vaccine(s) are: do they work? Are they safe, at least for the overwhelming number of people who get the shots? Are they effective against the disease? Why is the company's profits suddenly a matter of such concern (but no other kind of company, only the pharaceuticals.)
Out of all the ludicrous arguments against the vaccine that the anti-vaxxers have come up with, that's got to be the most ridiculous.
What's ridiculous is you thinking you have all the answers to the "important issues." You don't. Neither does anyone else, regardless of their education Levels.
ProTruckDriver
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You say FREE!
Do you really believe that? I read an article about the Luxury Tax increasing in Canada to pay for the vaccine. It will be the same way in the US. The tax payers everywhere will pay for the shots given out, even the anti-vaxxers will pay. Notice I said taxpayers. To the undocumented and people on welfare they will get it FREE on the taxpayers dime.
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There HAS been outcry against Amazon, Apple, entertainment and sports venues, and junk food franchises. And, fortunately, there's been enough transparency or public exposure to help consumers understand these entity's evil-doings, and decide whether or not they want to continue doing business with them. No one is forced to decide one way or another. And if they decide not to, are they called anti-Amazonians, anti-Applers, or anti-burgermaniacs? No one gets trolled for canceling their Lakers season tickets or for streaming movies for $10/mo or whatever to avoid supporting Hollywood studios.
There are unanswered questions about the covid vaccine; there are unknowns. There is indisputable evidence that, aside from the N-95, masks are completely ineffective. And, most importantly, there are laws (here, at least) that protect my right to make personal choices, including choices about my health.
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You say FREE!
There is NO Free Lunch....on Anything. The billions of dollars in medical costs that are being run up due to this virus, WILL be showing up in our future expenses. Even though these vaccines are apparently not very expensive....$25 per shot, approximately....the millions of shots will quickly add up to billions. Then, the massive number of hospitalizations will add 10's of billions, or more, to the overall costs.
I'm sure the insurance companies are already calculating their losses, and we will soon see rising premiums. Programs like Medicare and Medicaid will be in financial trouble much sooner, as a result of these expenses.
Between the costs of this virus, rising inflation, and unfunded government spending, etc., the groundwork is being laid for some serious national financial problems.
"No one is forced to decide one way or another. And if they decide not to, are they called anti-Amazonians, anti-Applers, or anti-burgermaniacs?"
OMG, thanks for the laugh of the day, I had just taken a mouth full of coffee when I read that and coffee went everywhere I was laughing so hard.
Yes its a choice and shouldn't come with these stupid labels.
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@Sunny A big part of it is that pharmaceutical companies have been corrupt before the pandemic. It's hard to turn around and trust now.
The EpiPen scandal is only one example.
The fact that pharmaceutical companies lobby Congress more than any other industry including Big Oil is suspicious--and that's above the table money.
The fact that pharmaceutical companies are the primary funding source of continuing education for medical professionals in the US is skewed. In my nine years working in renal, using MD signed protocols, I dosed several oral and IV medications related to calcium and phosphorus in renal patients so I was the person those reps talked to. I'd listen to their latest and greatest study showing why their product was superior to competitors, read the fine print and find that the company the rep worked for funded the study. As in most everything in healthcare, there was no "one size fits all" in the meds I used but pharmaceutical companies did their damndest to push their product as "The One."
The fact that in this pandemic, the vaccine is being pushed as the be all, end all to the near exclusion of prevention and early treatment including Vitamin D level testing and supplementation if needed, home monitoring of O2 sats, promotion of treatments using generic, low cost antivirals at onset of sickness that are being used and are preventing the need for hospitalizations. Not only are those at the top not encouraging widely available, inexpensive treatments, they're touting poorly designed studies with poor outcomes and keeping silent about positive studies, including real patient retrospective studies such as the early positive hydroxychloroquine retrospective showing positive impact of the drug at New York Presbyterian Cornell. Sick people are not being told that early treatment with monoclonal antibodies greatly decreases infection severity (though I hope that Florida's recent push for them will highlight their importance). Instead of experts and leaders promoting a multi-pronged approach, they are promoting polarization.
It's easy for a vaccinated person to point a finger at the unvaccinated filling hospitals, but save another finger for those at the top who are not equally promoting the use of every resource to fight the disease.
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Science always provides methods to fool non thinkers.Therefore some people may be diagnosed with Covid and actually have a common cold...
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VERY WELL STATED!!!!!! I agree with you 101%. They have to blame somebody why they can't control the pandemic and they blame the unvax.. WOW - did not realize the unvax had soooo much power...smh.
If everyone in the World was vax, then who would they blame - dogs, cats, babies?? Hmm..maybe they may come out with an animal vax... I would not be surprised...jmo. I pray everyone be safe and hopefully everyone that has been vax do not have to take the Booster shot nor have to be vaxed annually.