Tish
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It's absolutely ludicrous, to think that someone you don't even know has the right to police you and get paid for it.
I mean seriously, what the Hell!
I mean seriously, what the Hell!
The newest brand of abortion ban Is next-level cruelty
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raybar
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And look at you deciding what someone else can say.
terry123
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I don't support it. A woman should have the right to do whatever she wants with her body. The day a man gives birth is the day he can have a say!
raybar
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Here's something I said at a meeting once when I was told I wasn't entitled to speak to a certain topic: "I'm a member of this committee, and I will have my say and I have my ****ing vote."
With regard to abortion, or anything else, my First Amendment rights trump anyone's wish that I be quiet.
Lewkat
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There is too much hysteria over all this. First of all, I cannot imagine people running around trying to determine on their own if an abortion being done is legal or not. Of course, there will be the drama queens out there making trouble where ever they can. We've been down this road before. Secondly, it has to be proved in a court of law that the alleged abortion was illegal. Imagine the courts take on this one. Thirdly, before it can even get to the court level, a case must go before a panel of advisers and I would presume it would be largely made up of medical and legal personnel, and then much examining and debate would ensue. The entire process would be daunting to say the least. Most people would be advised to just live and let live. The media has made its usual alarmist spectacle over all this once again.
No, I'm not. I didn't tell you what you can say. Say whatever you want. If I feel like it, I may or may not comment. Thank you.
Irwin
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Actually, if the owners of this forum wanted to shut you up, they could, and there's nothing you could do about it.
Your 1st Amendment rights only apply to the government suppressing speech. You have no such rights on private property.
Jules
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What you say about the drawn out process may be true. Unfortunately it will be longest for the woman involved.
mellowyellow
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Here we go, back to the good old days when unwanted children are born to mothers who never wanted them. We can only imagine the nightmare childhood these children will receive. Some women won't even know they are pregnant, this law has terrible consequences for women.
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An accused woman working minimum wage job(s) just trying to pay rent and put food on the table suddenly has to appear over and over and over during this process just to keep from seeing her accuser paid a $10,000 bounty????!!!!!???
The wealthy... the politically connected... those with means can provide transportation for and access to services in another state. The working class can't. The pastor or church elder who impregnates a member of his parish can make an abortion happen out of state. That same pastor or church elder, the very next day, can turn in another parish member to collect the bounty since it was not his pants that got unzipped.
mellowyellow
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The thing that really angers me is that these laws are made by old men who have no concept of what a single woman has to go through to bring an unwanted child into the world. They dwell in a political bubble where life is good – they still believe that happily married couples are raising their children in a nice house somewhere in the suburbs. They have no idea.
Butterfly
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Not to mention the fact that many of the people who push this kind of thing the hardest are also the most vocal oppostion to any kind of financial aid or "welfare" for mothers who are forced to bear children they do not want and cannot afford. Most of the concern of these pro lifers stops the minute the child exits the womb, which to me is the height of hypocrisy.
mellowyellow
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Yes, they are the well-heeled people of the world, no idea whatever about real life.
Shero
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Even a taxi driver who takes a woman to a clinic, will be liable for fines. Now, I personally would not have had an abortion in my child bearing age, but I do respect a woman's right to decide. It is a bitter pill to swallow if someone is raped that they have to keep a foetus. Having people spying on each other. This attitude brings on many things for women, self harm, suicide etc.
With all of that said, I believe in careful birth control and in so doing many abortions can be avoided.
With all of that said, I believe in careful birth control and in so doing many abortions can be avoided.
Inevitably, this law will work against the poor. Any middle-class woman in Texas who wants an abortion will simply travel to a nearby state, assuming they don't all follow Texas' example, have her abortion, and come back home within a day or two.
But those who already have six children, are living in dire poverty, maybe without a car or any means of traveling to the other state, will be stuck having a baby they don't want, and the child will likely have a miserable existence.
But those who already have six children, are living in dire poverty, maybe without a car or any means of traveling to the other state, will be stuck having a baby they don't want, and the child will likely have a miserable existence.
Irwin
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Whatever happened to the pills that induce an abortion or a miscarriage? I would think they would become popular as a way to skirt the law.
Nathan
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The American version of the Taliban state, for sure. Control over minds and bodies, the ultimate fascist totalitarian goal.
The vote was simply denying emergency Injunctive relief, not really to uphold it, not really "Ripe for Judgment" yet. Alito referred it to the whole court, which he did not have to do, but it could be applied for again to a different Justice had he denied it, it had to go to Alito first, he has the Allotment for that US Circuit.
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Only the Senate can ban of modify the Fillibuster. Also expanding the SC is not going to happen.
Irwin
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Here's one way to fight back...
The Texas Right to Life (of the fetus) group's website uses the registrar GoDaddy, which has rules for what its sites can be used for. In the company’s terms of service for users, GoDaddy mandates that its site owners cannot use a GoDaddy-hosted site to:
So let's all report the website to GoDaddy and see if we can get them shut down. The URL is: texasrighttolife.com
You can file an abuse report at:
https://supportcenter.godaddy.com/AbuseReport?
The Texas Right to Life (of the fetus) group's website uses the registrar GoDaddy, which has rules for what its sites can be used for. In the company’s terms of service for users, GoDaddy mandates that its site owners cannot use a GoDaddy-hosted site to:
collect or harvest (or permit anyone else to collect or harvest) any User Content (as defined below) or any non-public or personally identifiable information about another User or any other person or entity without their express prior written consent.
The ToS also states that GoDaddy’s customers cannot use its platform in a manner that “violates the privacy or publicity rights of another User or any other person or entity, or breaches any duty of confidentiality that you owe to another User or any other person or entity.” In either case, a site solely set up to out people who try to help someone attain a sensitive, stigmatized medical procedure probably fall under this domain.
So let's all report the website to GoDaddy and see if we can get them shut down. The URL is: texasrighttolife.com
You can file an abuse report at:
https://supportcenter.godaddy.com/AbuseReport?
Not always just the gov., but here, the 1st is not applicable, true.
I don't think that would fall under aiding or abetting etc.
oldiebutgoody
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From what I've read this is true for now. The court decided that it should be litigated further in the lower courts. Be interesting to see what the final outcome will be since the six week law is clearly not legally valid under Roe v Wade which gave a trimester (of three months duration) period for individuals to determine for themselves what choice to make:
Roe v. Wade specifically set up a trimester framework for future abortion laws. In the first trimester of pregnancy, the state had to leave the abortion decision entirely to a woman and her physician. During the second trimester, the state could only enact laws which regulate abortions in ways “reasonably related to maternal health.”
Reality of Roe - Right to Life of Michigan
rtl.org/abortion/reality-of-roe/
Warrigal
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I.B.T.L. (In Before The Lock)
Aw, c'mon. Let's get back to talkin' 'bout something nice & pleasant..........
Like the Covid Vaccine.
I know you are being facetious, Win, but this is a subject that is of intense interest to women (and some men, obviously). Pregnancy, miscarriage, childbirth and care of children are intensely personal issues to those of us who have experienced such things. They are emotional rather than purely theoretical. IMO the laws surrounding abortion require a lot of empathy and compassion built in. Punitive legislation is very cruel.
If you have no more to say, just bow out. Don't try to close it down.