Countdown to the Russian invasion of Ukraine

squatting dog said:
Perhaps as a country, we've gotten better, but, March 10th slid by without a reminder that we can also be very barbaric. :(:(

Anyone sincerely outraged by what is happening in Ukraine shoud also devote themselves to kindling the memory of the mass murder that took place in 1945.
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"Japan's barbarism in the months and years leading up to the atom bombs was unparalleled.
From the invasion of China in 1937 to the end of World War II, the Japanese military regime murdered near 3,000,000 to over 10,000,000 people, most probably almost 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans, Filipinos, and Indochinese, among others, including Western prisoners of war."
https://hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP3.HTM

Those two bombs shocked Japan and ended a war that otherwise would have seen the loss of countless Asian lives -- including the lives of many Japanese. Sadly they were too late to save the lives of millions of Asians raped and murdered by the Japanese war machine.
 
ElCastor said:
"Japan's barbarism in the months and years leading up to the atom bombs was unparalleled.
From the invasion of China in 1937 to the end of World War II, the Japanese military regime murdered near 3,000,000 to over 10,000,000 people, most probably almost 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans, Filipinos, and Indochinese, among others, including Western prisoners of war."
https://hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP3.HTM

Those two bombs shocked Japan and ended a war that otherwise would have seen the loss of countless Asian lives -- including the lives of many Japanese. Sadly they were too late to save the lives of millions of Asians raped and murdered by the Japanese war machine.
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I understand the logic behind the atomic bombs, and it probably made sense back then, However, that came later. (August 6th) The napalm filled bombs that targeted Tokyo on March 10th were designed and used to crispy fry and terrify civilians. All I'm saying is there are times Americans seem to have a selective memory when condemning other countries for their atrocities.
 
@hollydolly You asked "would it be a jumping from the frying pan into the fire situation.." There's two sayings that come to mind...."Stick with the evil you know" and "You know what you got but you don't know what you're going to get." I'm not saying that Putin shouldn't be relieved of command, especially under the circumstances but Lord help us if he is and whoever takes his places does turn out to be worse!
 
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squatting dog said:
I understand the logic behind the atomic bombs, and it probably made sense back then, However, that came later. (August 6th) The napalm filled bombs that targeted Tokyo on March 10th were designed and used to crispy fry and terrify civilians. All I'm saying is there are times Americans seem to have a selective memory when condemning other countries for their atrocities.
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The firebombing of Tokyo was intended to shock Japan into ending the war. Had it succeeded, the next step, two atomic bombs, would not have been necessary.

This is what the United States was fighting to stop in that terrible war:
"The invasion of Shanghai in August 1937 was followed by the Nanking (Nanjing) Massacre known as the “Rape of Nanking.” It was the beginning of a seven week reign of terror in which the conquering Japanese army went on a wild rampage; looting, torturing, beheading, burying alive, burning, and gang- raping at will. An estimated 300,000 unarmed Chinese soldiers and civilians were shot or bayoneted; and an estimated 80,000 Chinese women in Nanjing were raped—at the rate of 1,000 rape cases a night – and many mutilated and killed."
https://ahrp.org/1937-the-rape-of-nanking-nanjing/

Unless you have a strong stomach I would recommend against clicking the link. Japanese soldiers of that era delighted in first raping and then decapitating women, and the wholesale massacre of babies. Persuading them to halt their war took more than reasonable arguments.
 

"The Ukraine invasion is nothing compared to Iraq​

Russian actions in Ukraine deserve universal condemnation. But as crimes go, Putin’s aggression pales in comparison with the human toll exacted by Saddam Hussein’s US-supported war of choice against Iran. As for the calamitous results of the US invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, the impact of Russia’s incursion into Ukraine rates as trivial by comparison. The point is not to measure relative iniquity in a balance, but simply to note that while the ongoing events in Ukraine may be tragic, they are not all that unusual. The professed surprise of pundits and politicians stems either from wishful thinking or willful ignorance.


History hasn’t ended. The global triumph of democratic liberalism is a mirage. As the old radio serial had it, “Evil lurks in the hearts of men,” even in an era of Google, Apple, 5G, Uber and Grubhub. What may be most difficult for the beneficiaries of global US hegemony is this: the American Century has ended. The world conjured up by Thomas Friedman has not taken its place.


What Friedman ought have written is this: “By invading Ukraine, Russia has demolished what little remained of the lucrative line of bullshit that I have been peddling for the past twenty or so years.” But don’t count on any such admission to be forthcoming."

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/ukraine-invasion-nothing-compared-iraq-afghanistan/
 
jerry old said:
What the Russians are doing is very mild compared to our actions in Iraq--due to a U.S. President...
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Thing is, Iraq (and other conflicts) cross multiple administrations and parties. Some of the long-term behind the scenes people from that administration are still in appointed positions currently. I think people get confused when they see the term 'neo-conservative' and think that it means garden variety US conservative citizens who favor social issues such as heterosexual marriage etc. but that is not! what it means. Neocons are sometimes front figureheads but are behind both parties and it means more 'war hawk' than anything. Since the 80s, there were only four years they didn't hold power and those were scary too. All other presidents have been either outright neocons or managed by them. ...Secretaries of states, senators, a first lady, daughter of a vice president...they're all on the same team when it comes to the very lucrative defense industry. The Democrat vs Republican media circus is just that ... circenses... to distract from the warmongers. Due to the Ukraine crisis, we really do currently need them, but historically, they've sometimes manufactured reasons for war and make a lot of money from war whether or not it's justified.
 
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The Russian administration has launched a sociological survey of Russians' expectations and their fears of a deteriorating economy due to sanctions and the war in Ukraine. The reason is that the Kremlin is expecting dissatisfaction with the government's actions to grow and wants to find out which war-related difficulties Russians will perceive most painfully.

Of course we know what the results of the survey will be.
 
Mariupol's city council said several thousand residents had been forcibly deported into Russian territory over the past week. Russia "illegally took people" from Livoberezhniy district and from a sports club building which was being used by more than a thousand people as a bomb shelter.

The Kremlin has claimed buses carrying "refugees" from Mariupol began to arrive to Russia on Tuesday. They were taken to filtration camps, where the occupiers checked people's phones and documents. After the inspection, some Mariupol residents were redirected to remote cities in Russia; the fate of others remains unknown.

 
Authorities in the besieged Ukrainian port city of Mariupol say that the Russian military has bombed an art school where about 400 people had taken refuge.

Local authorities said Sunday that the school building was destroyed and people could remain under the rubble, but there was no immediate word on casualties.

Terrifying footage has emerged apparently showing Russia firing deadly thermobaric rockets which are claimed to melt human organs.

Moscow defence sources claimed: 'The TOS-1A Solntsepek was used against Ukrainian nationalists by the people's militia of the Donetsk People’s Republic with the support of the Russian army during a special operation in Ukraine.'

Meanwhile, authorities in Ukraine's eastern city of Kharkiv say at least five civilians, including a nine-year-old boy, have been killed in the latest Russian shelling.

Earlier Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Russia's siege of the port city was 'a terror that will be remembered for centuries to come'.

His comments came after local authorities said Russian troops had forcefully deported several thousand people from the besieged city last week, after Russia had spoken of 'refugees' arriving from the strategic port.

'Over the past week, several thousand Mariupol residents were deported onto the Russian territory,' the city council said in a statement on its Telegram channel late on Saturday.

'The occupiers illegally took people from the Livoberezhniy district and from the shelter in the sports club building, where more than a thousand people (mostly women and children) were hiding from the constant bombing.'

Zelensky said the siege of Mariupol would 'go down in history of responsibility for war crimes'.

'To do this to a peaceful city... is a terror that will be remembered for centuries to come.'

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A man helps Ukrainian soldiers searching for bodies in the debris at a military school hit by Russian rockets, in Mykolaiv, southern Ukraine

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satellite images show the collapsed remains of Mariupol theatre which was sheltering hundreds of children and their families before being levelled in a Russian airstrike

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More than 1,300 people including women and babies are still feared trapped in the bombed ruins of a theatre in the besieged city of Mariupol (pictured)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-school-400-Ukrainians-sheltering-inside.html
 
When it eventually ends, will it be worth it instead of negotiating? As with all wars, maybe we should ask the dead. Plus all that destruction of infrastructure is going to take years to rebuild. An unfortunate case of mental myopia!

Leadership and forethought were lacking!
 
ElCastor said:
The day after Pearl Harbor my dad, who was a licensed pilot, enlisted in the Army Air Corps. He was no moron! I served as an officer in the US Navy for 5 years, and I can assure you that the men I served with were not morons! The military screens all recruits with a so called AFQT -- Armed Forces Qualification Test, which is in reality an IQ test. Moronic IQ is defined as topping out at 69 or 70 -- well below minimum standards for service in the military.
"The US military has minimum enlistment standards at about the IQ 85 level. There have been two experiments with lowering this to 80 but in both cases these men could not master soldiering well enough to justify their costs.[112]"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient
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I agree, the armed forces has little or no use for dummies.
However, have you read the links on Mcnamara's Boy's?
When a nation needs soldiers their are going to be 'incidents' that should not be...

I talked to a poor soul that was drafted in WW II in 1945.
His story is extremely humorous, I keep threatening myself to post it on the Military Thread...
 
mellowyellow said:
I’m worried that Ukraine will never give up and eventually as weeks go by and the shelling continues to flatten the country, we will eventually decide to help and then all hell breaks lose.
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I think Russia's going to push it beyond Ukraine regardless. Part of me is terrified of that and part of me is so sick of sitting back and watching helpless civilians deliberately targeted. It's like an unarmed crowd standing by and watching a few bullies with guns beat and rape victims because the people in the crowd are afraid that they'll get shot if they try to help.
 
David777 said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1485693277655343107
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Gabbard and Carlson, two of Russia's most loyal cheerleaders and Putin's worshipers. They play Carlson on Russian state TV, people like that keep Putin smiling and do nothing but help spread his propaganda in the United States. I would not spread their lies and conspiracies any further than that network already has. Too many gullible followers out there.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498687956919492617
https://www.salon.com/2022/03/14/tr...lsi-gabbard-for-parroting-russian-propaganda/

More on Gabbard.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zachev...in-2021-is-a-putin-apologist/?sh=6658587c4cd6
 
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SeaBreeze said:
Gabbard and Carlson, two of Russia's most loyal cheerleaders and Putin's worshipers. They play Carlson on Russian state TV, people like that keep Putin smiling and do nothing but help spread his propaganda in the United States. I would not spread their lies and conspiracies any further than that network already has. Too many gullible followers out there.
https://www.salon.com/2022/03/14/tr...lsi-gabbard-for-parroting-russian-propaganda/

More on Gabbard.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zachev...in-2021-is-a-putin-apologist/?sh=6658587c4cd6
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I spent hours tracing the Neocon thing several days ago. What she said in the tweet you quoted isn't a conspiracy. You can trace one woman--Victoria Nuland--and see how a lot of Neocon dots connect. For some reason the Old Neocons and the Old Soviets really want their showdown.

Article about Nuland:

https://www.salon.com/2021/01/19/wh...s-a-key-player-in-bidens-foreign-policy-team/

Nuland's career started in 1993 as chief of staff to Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott. Lady has quite a resume.
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mellowyellow said:
One of Putin's main goals is to divide the American people about Ukraine, seems it's already happening.
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Well, that's certainly an easy goal to check off his list; he doesn't have to do a thing. The US's polarized media whip those flames without effort on his part and most Americans blindly fall for it. Ukraine is just one more thing in that regard.
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