Supreme Court overturning Roe v Wade?
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IKE
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Lord only knows what they'll do next but the Supreme Court reversal is truly a sad day for women's rights and our nation.......far fetched but what's next, take away a woman's right to vote ??
JustDave
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If the Constitutions "original intent" which seemed to be one of the arguments of the current Supreme Court, then yes, women should not have the right to vote. Slavery would be constitutional too. The problem with the argument from original intent is that the Constitution is much like the Bible. It can be interpreted almost any way you like. Things that aren't even there can be read into it. The Supreme Court determines law based on the majority interpretation of the Constitution from a committee of 9 people. And millions of citizens are obligated to obey. This is called "democracy" by some, but I think it's an arguable point.
StarSong
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You and I know they won't be satisfied unless they can control their residents by trying to prevent them from crossing state lines to obtain legal abortions. They want this to becomes the law of the entire country. During or after that, they'll start trimming gay marriage, homosexual sex and unfettered access to contraception.
SCOTUS used to be held in high esteem by the people of this nation. According to polls, fewer than 25% of Americans have "a great deal" or "quite a lot" of confidence in that court. I'm frankly surprised that anywhere near 25% have any confidence whatsoever in that group's integrity. I sure don't.
Count me as one who USED TO have confidence that anyone sitting on the Supreme Court had the utmost integrity to do what is right for our country.
Today, I have no confidence in what should still be the backbone of our Constitutional Rights.
What about the rights of the minority in those backward places? They lose their rights because there are a few less of them? Jim Crow, here we come!
Timewise 60+
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The SC has become a political instrument. With an autocrat in the White House, that's what happens. This is a horrifying weakness in our system of government, made even worse by the lifelong term they get to serve, thanks to the proclivities of whoever happens to be President when one of the justices dies, the ability of Congress to reject anyone they don't like, and the lack of any kind of term limits. Get the wrong combination of these factors, and the SCOTUS can destroy our democracy without any restraint.
With birth control measures available, you would think that the new ruling would put some personal responsibility into people but I doubt it.
Remember Ukraine? Roe v Wade bumped it off the front page. Something else will bump Roe v Wade too....and on and on. Yawn!
Remember Ukraine? Roe v Wade bumped it off the front page. Something else will bump Roe v Wade too....and on and on. Yawn!
The SC does not make law. They do, however, interpret laws that have been passed by congress. This is why it is most important that when congress makes and passes a law, they make certain that they have dotted all the i’s and crossed all the t’s. Their more important job is to interpret the constitution.
Clarence Thomas is an excellent jurist. He has written more opinions for the SC than any other present Justice.
I thought the same. PA was once more a conservative state, but I think we are more liberal probably for the past several years. I can’t tell you how much I dislike politics. It has been a great divider of this country. I have seen friends turn on friends because of politics. Some people can’t just debate an issue, they have to argue the issue until it turns into a screaming match and then comes the profanity and each calling the other offensive names. I have seen this happen.
StarSong
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You're right. And we're seeing that play out in front of our eyes.
I'm hoping for nationwide peaceful strikes on the order of the Montgomery Bus Strike. I don't yet know what that could/should be, but Americans have vast power in numbers, particularly when it comes to discretionary spending. There are lots of legal ways to prove displeasure with our lawmakers.
Happy Heart
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For too many today, there is no such thing as personal responsibility for birth control, or other life supporting activities.
Mail order abortion pills are the latest fad so it is silly to see states now getting ready for an influx of abortion seekers when your mail box is so much closer and growing in popularity. The court's decision is limited to abortion so all noise about what other rights "might" be taken away is nothing more than using emotions (fear) to manipulate people. Insurance company's profits are based on selling policies based on fear of what "might" happen so always follow the money.
Independent thinking results in finding the truth.
AnnieA
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You're using old research from 2006. In my undergrad degree in Biology and subsequent two Masters of Science, we could only use articles, books published within the last ten years unless the older source contained pertinent historical info for the Literature Review section of our papers or the data had not been overturned by subsequent studies.
The current articles listed below are just two areas of research into fetal consciousness. There are many more measures studied within the last 10 years but these are good starting points if you'd like to update your knowledge to include current, accurate findings.
From 2021:
Analgesia for fetal pain during prenatal surgery: 10 years of progress
Excerpt:
In conclusion, the human fetus can feel pain when it undergoes surgical interventions and direct analgesia must be provided to it. IMPACT: Fetal pain is evident in the second half of pregnancy.
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From 2021:Magnetoencephalographic signatures of conscious processing before birth
Excerpts:
The analysis on the impact of fetal behavioral state on second-order rule learning was performed on the basis of results from the previous study with newborns (Moser et al., 2020). As expected, effects resembled those obtained in Moser et al. (2020), showing that the effect for the global rule in fetuses in late gestation was clearly present in those in a more active (high HRV) state, while it was not detectable in those fetuses in a more quiet (low HRV) state. Replication of this effect shows that the impact of behavioral state on cognitive processes accounts for both newborns in their first weeks of life and fetuses in the last weeks of gestation, regardless of whether they are in- or outside the womb. The similarity of results in fetuses and newborns emphasizes the role of behavioral state for learning in early life.
Emphasis Mine: Limitations section which shows need for further work since this study looked at two groups (participants were separated into an early (weeks 25–34) and a late gestation (weeks 35–40) group) and not progressive development over time.
On the whole, our results show that fetuses older than week 35 GA were able to make predictions at a temporal scale that matches the underlying structure of the paradigm, which can be seen as a sign of consciousness (Marchi and Hohwy, 2020). We cannot, of course, establish the beginning of consciousness at the 35th week of gestation on the basis of our results, as our division of the fetuses into two groups was driven by data availability. What our results do show, however, is that there is a linear trend with gestation and we will certainly have to consider inter-individual differences in the future.
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hollydolly
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Women are threatening not to have sex with men in protest of the Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v. Wade as pro-choice supporters continued to rally through the weekend.
Protests erupted on Friday following the court's ruling to overturn women's federal right to abortions, with 26 states expected to further restrict or outright ban abortions.
And now, women are being called to withhold sex from men 'until abortion rights are federal law' as calls for a nationwide sex strike also gain momentum on social media.
'Women of America: Take the pledge. Because SCOTUS overturned Roe v. Wade, we cannot take the risk of an unintended pregnancy, therefore, we will not have sex with any man — including our husbands — unless we are trying to become pregnant,' one Twitter user wrote.
'I live in New York and I am DOUBLE FURIOUS with the Supreme Court. I want to find people who are coordinating a mass sex strike. That is our power,' another woman raged. 'Women have the power here. No more sex until abortion rights are federal law.'
There were also calls for 'sex strike' across the country as terms including #SexStrike and #abstinence began trending online.
Another supporter wrote on Twitter: 'Womxn! Calling for a national #sexstrike
No sex with men until women's rights are codified by law. #Allmen #Underhiseye.'
'Perhaps a #sexstrike (also known as #abstinence) would help the men folk to be all in on this #womensrights issue,' another Twitter wrote.
Others posted a graphic that read: #SexStrike. If our choices are denied, so are yours.'
By Sunday, most of the protests had remained peaceful apart from a pickup truck that drove through a group of demonstrators in Cedar Rapids, running over a woman's foot. And in Portland, Oregon, on Saturday night, a group of protesters smashed windows and vandalized several buildings.
well how far a s ex strike will get them, I have no idea...
Protests erupted on Friday following the court's ruling to overturn women's federal right to abortions, with 26 states expected to further restrict or outright ban abortions.
And now, women are being called to withhold sex from men 'until abortion rights are federal law' as calls for a nationwide sex strike also gain momentum on social media.
'Women of America: Take the pledge. Because SCOTUS overturned Roe v. Wade, we cannot take the risk of an unintended pregnancy, therefore, we will not have sex with any man — including our husbands — unless we are trying to become pregnant,' one Twitter user wrote.
'I live in New York and I am DOUBLE FURIOUS with the Supreme Court. I want to find people who are coordinating a mass sex strike. That is our power,' another woman raged. 'Women have the power here. No more sex until abortion rights are federal law.'
There were also calls for 'sex strike' across the country as terms including #SexStrike and #abstinence began trending online.
Another supporter wrote on Twitter: 'Womxn! Calling for a national #sexstrike
No sex with men until women's rights are codified by law. #Allmen #Underhiseye.''Perhaps a #sexstrike (also known as #abstinence) would help the men folk to be all in on this #womensrights issue,' another Twitter wrote.
Others posted a graphic that read: #SexStrike. If our choices are denied, so are yours.'
By Sunday, most of the protests had remained peaceful apart from a pickup truck that drove through a group of demonstrators in Cedar Rapids, running over a woman's foot. And in Portland, Oregon, on Saturday night, a group of protesters smashed windows and vandalized several buildings.
well how far a s ex strike will get them, I have no idea...
hollydolly
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Mail Order Abortion Pills ?.. really ?.. I had no idea ...
StarSong
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Did you not read Clarence Thomas's concurring opinion and research what Constitutional scholars say his words imply? Namely that he just opened the door (wide) to revisit rights to contraception, gay marriage and more.
Why are people worried about what "might" happen? Because we didn't worry enough when overturning Roe v Wade still fell under the "might happen" category.
Yes, everyone should be more careful about birth control. No argument. And birth control should be an equal responsibility for men and women, as should the responsibility of pregnancy and raising a child. And all children should be wanted and loved by their parents, have a safe place to live, a good education, enough food to eat, equal treatment under the law, etc.
Reality doesn't match what "should" be. Until then, people need options.
StarSong
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Only "morning after" pill are sold over the counter, meaning no prescription required. Therefore, yes, they can be ordered from places like Amazon and delivered through the mail.
"Abortion Pills" that are effective up to 11 weeks of pregnancy must be medically prescribed.
hollydolly
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well I know that's the case here, thought maybe something different must be happening in the USA..pleased it isn't, thanks for the clarification, Star
Slavery and women's right to vote were both established with amendments to the constitution. Nothing stopping folks from trying to pass an amendment for abortion. You just have to get 2/3 of congress and 2/3 of states to approve.
I can think of a lot if things where the minority has to accept the rules of the majority. Abortion is not unique in that regard. For example, a couple of weeks ago, while at my local Florida Walmarts early on a Sunday morning, I wanted to pick up a bottle of wine for dinner. When I scanned it at the self-checkout, a light went off, and some nice lady told me, by law, it was too early in the day to buy wine. lol. What about my minority rights?
And, I respect folks who have a different opinion than me, and don't consider them "backwards".
Murrmurr
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I don't think the Supreme Court can do that. Check and see if the SC has ever made any laws.
I bet what's going to happen is the SC will be forced to decide when life begins. They're going to have to if more and more states want to prohibit abortion "because it robs the unborn of it's Constitutional rights."
Most of you probly know that only about 7% of all abortions are performed in the 3rd trimester. And I don't know but it's likely most of that 7% are performed bc the unborns are already dead, certain to die from defective vital organs, have unsustainable defects, OR, the pregnancy is killing the mother.
Still a matter between the woman and her doctor, period. Just like SC said vaccines are between you and your healthcare provider, so is abortion. No state should have the right to create laws that dictate what you and your doctor can and can't do to improve your health.
rgp
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"anecdotal" ?........ for the nation ? Look at the amount of popular votes H/Clinton received in "16" against Trump, then the "squad", AOC, Biden's win ....... I think that alone speaks volumes itself in more recent times.
Then go back to the 60's/70's civil-rights / womens-rights, I believe these were slow advances of liberalism , that has continued to grow.
As for your "surroundings" I do not know ..... But I'll take your word for it.
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StarSong
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Attempting to trivialize the seriousness of a woman's right to choose by comparing it to an antiquated blue law demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of the gravity of both issues, your throwaway "lol" notwithstanding.
Sorry, but the right of the majority to make the rules (which was my point) is well established. If you can't see that, well, that's on you.