God has a plan. An observation and a question.

It's more than a "guess," JustDave, it's obviously just a myth. We are free to believe any fairy tale concocted by anyone, but this one is such a doozy that it's hard to imagine anyone actually believing it. Sounds like a kindergarten story to me.

And if it were true, I'd have a few questions for God: Why did you allow mosquitoes, rats. lice, and cockroaches on the ark, but killed off all the cute little puppies? What kind of a "plan" was that supposed to be?
 

Sunny said:
It's more than a "guess," JustDave, it's obviously just a myth. We are free to believe any fairy tale concocted by anyone, but this one is such a doozy that it's hard to imagine anyone actually believing it. Sounds like a kindergarten story to me.

And if it were true, I'd have a few questions for God: Why did you allow mosquitoes, rats. lice, and cockroaches on the ark, but killed off all the cute little puppies? What kind of a "plan" was that supposed to be?
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Usually we are @ odds [you & I] I mean. But on this we agree. I would have a series of questions myself. "Natural" disasters come to mind ...... and those that are taken & those that survive .

Oh that's right ..... When our family is saved ..... it is due to gods gracious blessings. But When the baby on the next street over is killed ..... it's the devil's handy work ...... <GRIN>
 
If we ( homo sapiens ) were made in God's image, I think that is all we need to know about God.

The leap of faith that brings a person into the fold of believers is similar to a psychotic breakdown. We have to suspend our logical ways of thinking and , like losing yourself in a book or movie, totally get lost in the God narrative. Nothing can touch you there. You are safe from all harm. The blood of Jesus covers you. It is a journey back to the earliest totally secure moments you had. It happens with all kinds of situations not just religious. People make irrational/impulsive "decisions" all the time. In politics, medicine, business, love, etc.... Humans are not machines. :)
 

Paco Dennis said:
If we ( homo sapiens ) were made in God's image, I think that is all we need to know about God.

The leap of faith that brings a person into the fold of believers is similar to a psychotic breakdown. We have to suspend our logical ways of thinking and , like losing yourself in a book or movie, totally get lost in the God narrative. Nothing can touch you there. You are safe from all harm. The blood of Jesus covers you. It is a journey back to the earliest totally secure moments you had. It happens with all kinds of situations not just religious. People make irrational/impulsive "decisions" all the time. In politics, medicine, business, love, etc.... Humans are not machines. :)
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It's really thr same as believing in Santa Claus, except more preposterous
 
We really don't know what God thinks. This is a metaphysical question that has no answer (I learned that in philosophy class). No matter what we say, how do we know if we are right or not? We are basing our thoughts on God through our limited senses and limited logic. Given that, I do believe in God. I have faith in Him. I have witnessed countless miracles. I also pray to Him daily. I also have free will, and am responsible for the choices I make. I also have experienced many bad things in my life (life-threatening, etc), but bounced back through prayer and the grace of God.

By the way, I respect all who have written here. I do not condemn or judge anyone, and hope I did not offend anyone. :)
 
Angels are the messengers from God. They are a part of God.
You are soul. Your soul plans your entire life, loosely, as so many possibilities lie before you.
You and the Holy Angels plan your life before birth. Requests are given. The soul plans his life.
You desired to come to Earth to rectify harms you have done in the past, through countless lifetimes,
and to grow closer to God. Some evolutions of the soul can only be done through the earthly senses.
Each lifetime brings the opportunity to grow into higher and higher levels of consciousness.
"Souls of sadness, of harm, of pain, of discord request to come to Earth as it holds lifetimes of seemingly
short duration before debts of past actions are paid. Souls will keep returning to your presence.
These are souls of love and souls who have hurt you.
The karmic debt will be lived out." (from the angels)

What I mean is: The soul knows preplanned actions (before you were born ) and yes, horrific actions
were planned and understood by the soul, WHICH IS YOU!
To blame God for repurcussions of your own making, (and this might be from innumerable strata
of nature and for unaccountable lengths of time ) seems an ignorant action.
 
Gaer said:
What I mean is: The soul knows preplanned actions (before you were born ) and yes, horrific actions
were planned and understood by the soul, WHICH IS YOU!
To blame God for repurcussions of your own making, (and this might be from innumerable strata
of nature and for unaccountable lengths of time ) seems an ignorant action.
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If there is such a thing as a soul, how does the soul get it's information?
Why would a soul preplan horrific actions?
 
Sunny said:
I'd have a few questions for God: Why did you allow mosquitoes, rats. lice, and cockroaches on the ark, but killed off all the cute little puppies?
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That's it?
That's what you base your lack of faith?

◄ Job 21 ►
Berean Study Bible Par ▾
Job: God Will Punish the Wicked
1Then Job answered:
2“Listen carefully to my words;
let this be your consolation to me.
3Bear with me while I speak;
then, after I have spoken, you may go on mocking.
4Is my complaint against a man?
Then why should I not be impatient?
5Look at me and be appalled;
put your hand over your mouth.
6When I remember, terror takes hold,
and my body trembles in horror.
7Why do the wicked live on,
growing old and increasing in power?
8Their descendants are established around them,
and their offspring before their eyes.
9Their homes are safe from fear;
no rod of punishment from God is upon them.
10Their bulls breed without fail;
their cows bear calves and do not miscarry.
11They send forth their little ones like a flock;
their children skip about,
12singing to the tambourine and lyre
and making merry at the sound of the flute.
13They spend their days in prosperity
and go down to Sheol in peace.a
14Yet they say to God: ‘Leave us alone!
For we have no desire to know Your ways.
15Who is the Almighty, that we should serve Him,
and what would we gain if we pray to Him?’
16Still, their prosperity is not in their own hands,
so I stay far from the counsel of the wicked.
17How often is the lamp of the wicked put out?
Does disaster come upon them?
Does God, in His anger, apportion destruction?
18Are they like straw before the wind,
like chaff swept away by a storm?
19It is said that God lays up one’s punishment for his children.
Let God repay the man himself, so he will know it.
20Let his eyes see his own destruction;
let him drink for himself the wrath of the Almighty.
21For what does he care about his household after him,
when the number of his months has run out?
22Can anyone teach knowledge to God,
since He judges those on high?
23One man dies full of vigor,
completely secure and at ease.
24His body is well nourished,b
and his bones are rich with marrow.
25Yet another man dies in the bitterness of his soul,
having never tasted prosperity.
26But together they lie down in the dust,
and worms cover them both.
27Behold, I know your thoughts full well,
the schemes by which you would wrong me.
28For you say, ‘Where now is the nobleman’s house,
and where are the tents in which the wicked dwell?’
29Have you never asked those who travel the roads?
Do you not accept their reports?
30Indeed, the evil man is spared from the day of calamity,
delivered from the day of wrath.
31Who denounces his behavior to his face?
Who repays him for what he has done?
32He is carried to the grave,
and watch is kept over his tomb.
33The clods of the valley are sweet to him;
everyone follows behind him,
and those before him are without number.
34So how can you comfort me with empty words?
For your answers remain full of falsehood.”
 
JaniceM said:
Neither would I.

A local woman's father died, and logically she was upset. A fundamentalist told her her father was going to hell because he hadn't been 'saved.' :mad:
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Yep - That was me. So, if there is a hell and my saintly agnostic father is there, I will gladly join him - rather than be with my hateful, hypocrite mother whose salvation was granted through confession, guaranteeing her a place in heaven.
 
Knight said:
If there is such a thing as a soul, how does the soul get it's information?
Why would a soul preplan horrific actions?
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@Knight, I just explained it. YOU are your soul. You request of the Holy Angels to be reborn, on this or another world.
What the soul desires is given. Even sexual deviances is requested as this is a lower world where this can be experienced.
You discuss this prior to your birth with Angels and a lifetime is planned. You choose your time and place of birth, and your parentage.
Between lives, when the soul feels "God," the only desire is to be closer to this Being. This desire surpasses all desires.
Specific growth of the soul can only be attained in a physical body.
This is attained before your birth on the Earth.

A soul would preplan horrific actions, illness, impediments , etc. to rectify harm performed in past lifetimes, in order to "speed up"
his evolutionary process to be closer to God. He wants to "live out" any karmic action in one short lifetime.
This is not necessary as absolute "time" has no meaning. But, the desire to be one with God is so intense after the body dies and
Heaven is viewed or felt. It's so incredible, this becomes the most important goal.
This is generally not remembered in this life.
All suffering, mental, physical, environmental is due to an inadequate coordination between different
levels of individual life and the Being.

Does this explain it? If not, I'll try to explain it another way.
 
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I'm not religious. I was active in 12-Step groups for many years. God's plan was spoken of often. I preferred to translate that into humility, gratitude, acceptance, etc.

Now I just see us as animals, doomed to suffer and die. Some people starve or get cancer, some kill each other. Nice kids are bullied. Racism exists. Raptors grab their prey and eat it alive. Flies and diseases harrass many animals. Stars explode or collapse, destroying other stars.

If that's a plan, okay, but it doesn't comfort me much.
 
JaniceM said:
A local woman's father died, and logically she was upset. A fundamentalist told her her father was going to hell because he hadn't been 'saved.'
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Em in Ohio said:
Yep - That was me. So, if there is a hell and my saintly agnostic father is there, I will gladly join him - rather than be with my hateful, hypocrite mother whose salvation was granted through confession, guaranteeing her a place in heaven
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This is why I don't attend church much

Too many Bible thumpers

Being 'saved' has been so screwed up by the misinformed
 
NorthernLight said:
I'm not religious. I was active in 12-Step groups for many years. God's plan was spoken of often. I preferred to translate that into humility, gratitude, acceptance, etc.

Now I just see us as animals, doomed to suffer and die. Some people starve or get cancer, some kill each other. Nice kids are bullied. Racism exists. Raptors grab their prey and eat it alive. Flies and diseases harrass many animals. Stars explode or collapse, destroying other stars.

If that's a plan, okay, but it doesn't comfort me much.
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The cycle of all existence is creation, evolution and disolution. This is the law, ( a rule of procedure) of creation ,of maintenence and of evolution.
I don't believe in creationism or Darwinism. It's the SOUL that evolves.(or degrades to a lower state)
Through this cycle, the life of the ever expanding multiverse goes on and on.
Each soul evolves or devolves at his own rate. All is the choice of the soul.
 
Gaer said:
The cycle of all existence is creation, evolution and disolution. This is the law, ( a rule of procedure) of creation ,of maintenence and of evolution.
I don't believe in creationism or Darwinism. It's the SOUL that evolves.(or degrades to a lower state)
Through this cycle, the life of the ever expanding multiverse goes on and on.
Each soul evolves or devolves at his own rate. All is the choice of the soul.
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I'm curious. You speak with such conviction, almost like you've seen this somehow. How so?
 
dko1951 said:
I'm curious. You speak with such conviction, almost like you've seen this somehow. How so?
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You're not going to believe me, but a Holy Angel appeared to me, touched me and spoke to me. I was told I would recieve
sacred messages from Holy Angels that I was to give to the world.
So, having no credence, the only way I could do this was to write books of their words. I've written four books now of their messages to the world, where they answered most questions I posed to them.
I was annoyed at the interference in my life as I was going through many things, including working two jobs but they kept insisting, "Now is the time to write the books." "This is why you are on the Earth at this time." "What is promised to the God takes prescedence over Earthly mentions."

I've been mocked, cursed, called the devil; even had a salad thrown at me. Why would I or anyone put themselves through this unless
I've been directed by entities higher than myself?
Yet, I know, as I write this, readers will say it's a self-delusion. It is not. I've had countless experiences with Angels, seeing them, hearing them,
feeling them heal me and they have saved my life so many times because I take stupid physical chances.
Over the years, I've come to know the things they tell me are truth.
I don't know why I was the recipient of these experiences, but now I feel honored. I feel Angels (not lowly spirits) around me all the time.
I learn many things from them.
I apologize if any of my words offend anyone. I'm not trying to be "holier than thou" but I KNOW these words are true.
 
Gaer said:
You're not going to believe me, but a Holy Angel appeared to me, touched me and spoke to me. I was told I would recieve
sacred messages from Holy Angels that I was to give to the world.
So, having no credence, the only way I could do this was to write books of their words. I've written four books now of their messages to the world, where they answered most questions I posed to them.
I was annoyed at the interference in my life as I was going through many things, including working two jobs but they kept insisting, "Now is the time to write the books." "This is why you are on the Earth at this time." "What is promised to the God takes prescedence over Earthly mentions."

I've been mocked, cursed, called the devil; even had a salad thrown at me. Why would I or anyone put themselves through this unless
I've been directed by entities higher than myself?
Yet, I know, as I write this, readers will say it's a self-delusion. It is not. I've had countless experiences with Angels, seeing them, hearing them,
feeling them heal me and they have saved my life so many times because I take stupid physical chances.
Over the years, I've come to know the things they tell me are truth.
I don't know why I was the recipient of these experiences, but now I feel honored. I feel Angels (not lowly spirits) around me all the time.
I learn many things from them.
I apologize if any of my words offend anyone. I'm not trying to be "holier than thou" but I KNOW these words are true.
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I loved reading your books and your messages. :)
 
Gaer said:
You're not going to believe me, but a Holy Angel appeared to me, touched me and spoke to me. I was told I would recieve
sacred messages from Holy Angels that I was to give to the world.
So, having no credence, the only way I could do this was to write books of their words. I've written four books now of their messages to the world, where they answered most questions I posed to them.
I was annoyed at the interference in my life as I was going through many things, including working two jobs but they kept insisting, "Now is the time to write the books." "This is why you are on the Earth at this time." "What is promised to the God takes prescedence over Earthly mentions."

I've been mocked, cursed, called the devil; even had a salad thrown at me. Why would I or anyone put themselves through this unless
I've been directed by entities higher than myself?
Yet, I know, as I write this, readers will say it's a self-delusion. It is not. I've had countless experiences with Angels, seeing them, hearing them,
feeling them heal me and they have saved my life so many times because I take stupid physical chances.
Over the years, I've come to know the things they tell me are truth.
I don't know why I was the recipient of these experiences, but now I feel honored. I feel Angels (not lowly spirits) around me all the time.
I learn many things from them.
I apologize if any of my words offend anyone. I'm not trying to be "holier than thou" but I KNOW these words are true.
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That is quite fascinating. It brings to mind a book that came out many years ago, and please forgive me, those many years have removed the parts that make it easy to recall the authors name or the book title. I did read it and it was very interesting. He said that god spoke with him directly. Very controversial at the time. Thank you for telling me your journey and I hope that you have a joy filled life.
 
Gaer said:
@Knight, I just explained it. YOU are your soul. You request of the Holy Angels to be reborn, on this or another world.
What the soul desires is given. Even ****** deviances is requested as this is a lower world where this can be experienced.
You discuss this prior to your birth with Angels and a lifetime is planned. You choose your time and place of birth, and your parentage.
Between lives, when the soul feels "God," the only desire is to be closer to this Being. This desire surpasses all desires.
Specific growth of the soul can only be attained in a physical body.
This is attained before your birth on the Earth.
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I'm not trying to be obtuse I just don't get why if I'm sentient enough to request to be reborn I wouldn't ask to be reborn with the ability to become filthy rich.


Gaer said:
A soul would preplan horrific actions, illness, impediments , etc. to rectify harm performed in past lifetimes, in order to "speed up"
his evolutionary process to be closer to God. He wants to "live out" any karmic action in one short lifetime.
This is not necessary as absolute "time" has no meaning. But, the desire to be one with God is so intense after the body dies and
Heaven is viewed or felt. It's so incredible, this becomes the most important goal.
This is generally not remembered in this life.
All suffering, mental, physical, environmental is due to an inadequate coordination between different
levels of individual life and the Being.
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Does that mean I could choose something like cancer of the brain to be able to have the plug pulled on life at an early age.

Gaer said:
Does this explain it? If not, I'll try to explain it another way.
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I get what you are posting I just can't wrap my thinking around that concept.
 
Gaer said:
You're not going to believe me, but a Holy Angel appeared to me, touched me and spoke to me. I was told I would recieve
sacred messages from Holy Angels that I was to give to the world.
So, having no credence, the only way I could do this was to write books of their words. I've written four books now of their messages to the world, where they answered most questions I posed to them.
I was annoyed at the interference in my life as I was going through many things, including working two jobs but they kept insisting, "Now is the time to write the books." "This is why you are on the Earth at this time." "What is promised to the God takes prescedence over Earthly mentions."

I've been mocked, cursed, called the devil; even had a salad thrown at me. Why would I or anyone put themselves through this unless
I've been directed by entities higher than myself?
Yet, I know, as I write this, readers will say it's a self-delusion. It is not. I've had countless experiences with Angels, seeing them, hearing them,
feeling them heal me and they have saved my life so many times because I take stupid physical chances.
Over the years, I've come to know the things they tell me are truth.
I don't know why I was the recipient of these experiences, but now I feel honored. I feel Angels (not lowly spirits) around me all the time.
I learn many things from them.
I apologize if any of my words offend anyone. I'm not trying to be "holier than thou" but I KNOW these words are true.
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Hello Gaer,9 I found the book I mentioned. "Conversations with God" by Neale Walsch. Big seller in the mid nineties. Interesting read at the time.
 
Knight said:
I'm not trying to be obtuse I just don't get why if I'm sentient enough to request to be reborn I wouldn't ask to be reborn with the ability to become filthy rich.



Does that mean I could choose something like cancer of the brain to be able to have the plug pulled on life at an early age.


I get what you are posting I just can't wrap my thinking around that concept.
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You CAN request to be filthy rich! Karma will always be a factor.
I requested two particular souls be born to me and they were,
and I requested that I serve the Holy Angels in this life, and I am.
I didn't ask for money. I DO remember standing before the council
of Angels and speaking with them. (before this life).

It's FINE that you don't believe me. It's GOOD to question!
I'm not great at explaining, I know! Each soul moves at his own pace
and we don't have to have all the answers now.
People can go through many belief systems in one short life.
It's all fine! The mind is in the relative field and thoughts are
to always be clear, free and unbounded.
YOU will know what is right for you. I won't tell you,
"You must believe me!" Think and feel what is comfortable for you
Thank you for questioning me though. You are opening up spiritually!
 
Gaer said:
Angels are the messengers from God. They are a part of God.
You are soul. Your soul plans your entire life, loosely, as so many possibilities lie before you.
You and the Holy Angels plan your life before birth. Requests are given. The soul plans his life.
You desired to come to Earth to rectify harms you have done in the past, through countless lifetimes,
and to grow closer to God. Some evolutions of the soul can only be done through the earthly senses.
Each lifetime brings the opportunity to grow into higher and higher levels of consciousness.
"Souls of sadness, of harm, of pain, of discord request to come to Earth as it holds lifetimes of seemingly
short duration before debts of past actions are paid. Souls will keep returning to your presence.
These are souls of love and souls who have hurt you.
The karmic debt will be lived out." (from the angels)

What I mean is: The soul knows preplanned actions (before you were born ) and yes, horrific actions
were planned and understood by the soul, WHICH IS YOU!
To blame God for repurcussions of your own making, (and this might be from innumerable strata
of nature and for unaccountable lengths of time ) seems an ignorant action.
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But if our conscious doesn't know that we know then we remain ignorant and therefore innocent. :unsure:
 
I go around thinking some of the things mentioned above, except, I know it's just my imagination running wild. I don't think I'd ever bother interacting with my imagination to the degree some appear to be interacting, though you are free to believe whatever you wish as long as it's not hurting anyone.

Just my opinion. Sorry if I offend. Just felt an urge to say this, because I've already gone the spiritual route and found much, but not all of it, to be BS. It's all done because, often, reality sucks so much that we make up our own reality. Lots of us do this and I don't think it's abnormal or weird. It's just how we cope with having a big brain.
 


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