Are we still allowed to discuss female logic, (if so then there are a few things to say)?

spectratg said:
Differences between males and females can be based on (a) actual gender differences (i.e., men and women are actually different in some abilities), (b) gender roles (i.e., differences in how men and women are supposed to act), or (c) gender stereotypes (i.e., differences in how we think men and women are). Sometimes gender stereotypes and gender roles reflect actual gender differences, but sometimes they do not.
Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus. Vive la difference!
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The "men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" argument fails at the first hurdle because its such a generalisation, (this from the man who started the thread!).
However, we're all "generally" very happy for the differences aren't we, so that cant be bad! :giggle:
 

grahamg said:
I believe I first came across what someone might agree amounted to "female logic", and it involved two of my sisters on the farm who were attempting to fill buckets of water to give to the livestock.

They had the cold tap in the cow shed only half turned on, and fairly obviously it occurred to me turning the tap fully on might speed up the process.

The logic of these two girls was contained in there statement rebutting my suggestion: "We can see the water is coming out quicker when it is only half on"!

So, there you have it, if you believe you can see something, (like water rushing out of a pipe because it is constricted), then this is all the proof you need, and there is no need for further investigation like timing how long it took to fill said bucket.

However, every lesson in life, even learning that these girls were not for shifting, is going to aid you in some way later on, and I guess it has done.

I've met women who seem to think using a microwave to cook vegetables requires as much water as if they were to be boiled in a pan on a stove, but most of all, putting all else in the shade, is the numbers of women I've met who seem to believe because they've said something it must be true! :rolleyes:;):sneaky::whistle::giggle:
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They were obviously choosing lamina flow over turbulent flow.
An instinct born of experience.

Men are more comfortable with Boolean logic. Women employ the much more complicated form of decision making known as 'fuzzy logic' that takes account of multiple variables to arrive at the optimum, rather than the only solution. Your sisters were using the later form of logic while you were only looking at one variable, i.e. the rate of flow.

Both terms are used in computer processing.

Fuzzy logic is a form of many-valued logic in which the truth value of variables may be any real number between 0 and 1. It is employed to handle the concept of partial truth, where the truth value may range between completely true and completely false.[1]

By contrast, in Boolean logic, the truth values of variables may only be the integer values 0 or 1.
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I am grateful of the difference between male and female. As far as female logic, I am more likely to be seduced by a female than a male, if that's female logic, yes it exist.
 
Oh grahamg.....I wish I had room to tell you the number of times I advised my husband not to do something because...so-and-so would happen! Guess what? He ignored me every single time and....the warning came about.
The worst one was when I told him not to throw sticks for the dog because there had been cases of a stick catching in a dog's throat. I bought a tennis ball and told him to use that. He ignored my advice and, one evening, he returned from a walk carrying the dead dog in his arms. He was heart-broken, so I didn't say 'I told you so'...but he had to learn the hard way.

Moral? Don't dismiss what a woman tells you.....she just might be right!
 
Lavinia said:
Oh grahamg.....I wish I had room to tell you the number of times I advised my husband not to do something because...so-and-so would happen! Guess what? He ignored me every single time and....the warning came about.
The worst one was when I told him not to throw sticks for the dog because there had been cases of a stick catching in a dog's throat. I bought a tennis ball and told him to use that. He ignored my advice and, one evening, he returned from a walk carrying the dead dog in his arms. He was heart-broken, so I didn't say 'I told you so'...but he had to learn the hard way.
Moral? Don't dismiss what a woman tells you.....she just might be right!
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My fathers dog when he was a child, or grandfather's dog called "Tippet", (a Whippet cross breed), unfortunately died due to eating a chicken bone that got caught in its throat, so I guess it was a similar case, (for ever after my parents warned us all about giving the wrong types of bone to a dog).
 
A brother in law of mine once told me story about him being told off during the early years of their marriage.

He was a very capable businessman and skilled engineer, and he had a big personality, but his transgression concerned the installation of the toilet paper roll into the toilet paper holder.

My sister declared, "You've even put the toilet roll in the wrong way"!

To which my brother in law confessed, "I didn't know there was a wrong way"!

He could run successful business, sell snow to Eskimos, rebuild an engine and handle an old steam powered traction engine but was he discovered completely inept at fitting a roll of paper in its holder!!!!!!!! :giggle::rolleyes:
 
grahamg said:
A brother in law of mine once told me story about him being told off during the early years of their marriage.

He was a very capable businessman and skilled engineer, and he had a big personality, but his transgression concerned the installation of the toilet paper roll into the toilet paper holder.

My sister declared, "You've even put the toilet roll in the wrong way"!

To which my brother in law confessed, "I didn't know there was a wrong way"!

He could run successful business, sell snow to Eskimos, rebuild an engine and handle an old steam powered traction engine but was he discovered completely inept at fitting a roll of paper in its holder!!!!!!!! :giggle::rolleyes:
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Ann Landers did numerous columns (many decades ago) on the "right" way to put in the toilet paper roll (up from the bottom or over from the top)!
 
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This song is a good narrative for the difference between sequential logic and seeing the big picture as a gestalt. If this is the supposed difference between male and female logic, then clearly we all require both. Analysis into parts and sequencing how they are thought to go together can be useful. But not unless we also grasp the whole in which it emerges. The presence of the world which we experience is far richer in implicit meanings than whichever explicit facts a person singles out to link together logically. As with Henry’s bucket logic the facts of the matter are as likely go in pointless circles as anywhere else. We can never stand entirely apart from the facts and expect to follow them where they lead without taking into account our own biases and purposes as observers.
 
MarkD said:
This song is a good narrative for the difference between sequential logic and seeing the big picture as a gestalt. If this is the supposed difference between male and female logic, then clearly we all require both. Analysis into parts and sequencing how they are thought to go together can be useful. But not unless we also grasp the whole in which it emerges. The presence of the world which we experience is far richer in implicit meanings than whichever explicit facts a person singles out to link together logically. As with Henry’s bucket logic the facts of the matter are as likely go in pointless circles as anywhere else. We can never stand entirely apart from the facts and expect to follow them where they lead without taking into account our own biases and purposes as observers.
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Ummm........the recording was intended to be perceived as a joke. :oops:
 
grahamg said:
I believe I first came across what someone might agree amounted to "female logic", and it involved two of my sisters on the farm who were attempting to fill buckets of water to give to the livestock.

They had the cold tap in the cow shed only half turned on, and fairly obviously it occurred to me turning the tap fully on might speed up the process.

The logic of these two girls was contained in there statement rebutting my suggestion: "We can see the water is coming out quicker when it is only half on"!

So, there you have it, if you believe you can see something, (like water rushing out of a pipe because it is constricted), then this is all the proof you need, and there is no need for further investigation like timing how long it took to fill said bucket.

However, every lesson in life, even learning that these girls were not for shifting, is going to aid you in some way later on, and I guess it has done.

I've met women who seem to think using a microwave to cook vegetables requires as much water as if they were to be boiled in a pan on a stove, but most of all, putting all else in the shade, is the numbers of women I've met who seem to believe because they've said something it must be true! :rolleyes:;):sneaky::whistle::giggle:
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Endless amounts of different "female" logic, especially in seniors!
 
MarkD said:
And it works but humor itself involves a very high level of human thought and can convey good observations.

I’d say you posted a two-fer.
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When I joined a senior center, I ran into a lot of seniors that don't listen, know it all, etc. So, I just learned to share. So the logic with the females I was around was so different! Some good and some not.
 
fancicoffee13 said:
When I joined a senior center, I ran into a lot of seniors that don't listen, know it all, etc. So, I just learned to share. So the logic with the females I was around was so different! Some good and some not.
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Around the time I was in high school I got interested in what if any differences there might be between the ways men and women experience and think about the world. The range of differences between individuals is as great as any pattern we might think we see between the sexes. But then culture adds a layer that tends to homogenize expression of that range differently between the sexes. Some of us become invested in being typical whether in the masculine or feminine direction. As we get older I think those homogenizing forces lose some force except for those who are very set in their ways or generally stubborn.
 
grahamg said:
"Three forms of logic", now my head is really spinning.

What was the thread topic about, oh yes, "can we still talk about female logic"? :sneaky::(:whistle::giggle:
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Now there's an example of the difference between male and female logic.

A man asks a leading question about "female" logic and expects that every answer will be contained within the narrow parameter of "female". He does not expect that the discussion could veer away to a discussion of logic in general. Boolean vs fuzzy logic on display.

I spent years in secondary school learning Euclidian geometry which is essentially boolean logic. My female brain handled it very well. I especially loved writing proofs from first principles rather than learning them by heart. Later I learned to write computer programs using Fortran, also boolean.

However, when it comes to everyday decision making, fuzzy logic is how our brains operate as we juggle multiple inputs simultaneously (fuzzy) rather than sequentially (boolean). In a world where men traditionally worked outside the home and women stayed home looking after the house and children, the different kinds of problems encountered in each setting had led to the perception that men and women are different in the ways that they use logic. I maintain that it is not so much an innate difference as it is the result of adaptation to situation. Men can handle fuzzy logic and women can excel at boolean logic.

By the way, the third kind of logic I hinted at, thinking with the gonads, is not really thinking at all and has nothing to do with any kind of logic. It is by nature, mindless.
 
grahamg said:
I believe I first came across what someone might agree amounted to "female logic", and it involved two of my sisters on the farm who were attempting to fill buckets of water to give to the livestock.

They had the cold tap in the cow shed only half turned on, and fairly obviously it occurred to me turning the tap fully on might speed up the process.

The logic of these two girls was contained in there statement rebutting my suggestion: "We can see the water is coming out quicker when it is only half on"!

So, there you have it, if you believe you can see something, (like water rushing out of a pipe because it is constricted), then this is all the proof you need, and there is no need for further investigation like timing how long it took to fill said bucket.

However, every lesson in life, even learning that these girls were not for shifting, is going to aid you in some way later on, and I guess it has done.

I've met women who seem to think using a microwave to cook vegetables requires as much water as if they were to be boiled in a pan on a stove, but most of all, putting all else in the shade, is the numbers of women I've met who seem to believe because they've said something it must be true! :rolleyes:;):sneaky::whistle::giggle:
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Oh, I'd luv to reply to this about a held mindset being the equivalent of truth, but...politics...and the ban on Truth...well, that would get me a few hundred more Reports.
 
Warrigal said:
Now there's an example of the difference between male and female logic.
A man asks a leading question about "female" logic and expects that every answer will be contained within the narrow parameter of "female". He does not expect that the discussion could veer away to a discussion of logic in general. Boolean vs fuzzy logic on display.
I spent years in secondary school learning Euclidian geometry which is essentially Boolean logic. My female brain handled it very well. I especially loved writing proofs from first principles rather than learning them by heart. Later I learned to write computer programs using Fortran, also boolean.

However, when it comes to everyday decision making, fuzzy logic is how our brains operate as we juggle multiple inputs simultaneously (fuzzy) rather than sequentially (Boolean). In a world where men traditionally worked outside the home and women stayed home looking after the house and children, the different kinds of problems encountered in each setting had led to the perception that men and women are different in the ways that they use logic. I maintain that it is not so much an innate difference as it is the result of adaptation to situation. Men can handle fuzzy logic and women can excel at boolean logic.

By the way, the third kind of logic I hinted at, thinking with the gonads, is not really thinking at all and has nothing to do with any kind of logic. It is by nature, mindless.
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Am I to understand that anyone unable to anticipate how a thread might develop, (who btw is quite happy for the thread to veer off in all kinds of directions), has not thought hard enough before starting a thread?
Its enough just to post whatever might occur to you surely, without thinking too hard, especially if it creates some amusement.

I'd guess, if I thought hard enough, I could think of funny things to say about anyone "thinking with their gonads", but I'm not in the mood right now unfortunately, (I will come back though! ;) ).
 
We all know that the OP doesn't own the threads we start. Different readers see different issues in the original post and in any of the subsequent posts. It would be impossible for the OP to anticipate how the topic will develop.

I reacted first to the word 'logic' and secondly to the word 'female'.
There wasn't anything else that grabbed my attention, hence my contributions that followed.
I hope you can see the logic in that.
 
Lavinia said:
Oh grahamg.....I wish I had room to tell you the number of times I advised my husband not to do something because...so-and-so would happen! Guess what? He ignored me every single time and....the warning came about.
The worst one was when I told him not to throw sticks for the dog because there had been cases of a stick catching in a dog's throat. I bought a tennis ball and told him to use that. He ignored my advice and, one evening, he returned from a walk carrying the dead dog in his arms. He was heart-broken, so I didn't say 'I told you so'...but he had to learn the hard way.

Moral? Don't dismiss what a woman tells you.....she just might be right!
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My ex often didn’t pay attention to what I said except when it came to my dogs. He knew if he was responsible for anything happening to them he would be gone. Your story is sad and you are a much kinder person than me.
 

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