Hezbollah pagers(not cell phones) explode after an apparent Israeli hack

Debrah N. said:
Perhaps Israel should think about what they do too. Not like they are innocent of deliberately hurting people who 'can't fight back'. We've just gotten so used to robotically droning on about poor Israel and not looking at what they did to lead up to retaliation.
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Gaza had near total autonomy since 2005. Rather than build their economy and society, they put all their efforts into building tunnels and missiles. They even ripped up the infrastructure left in place when Israeli settlers left.

Before the Oct. 7th attack, Gaza had one of the fastest growing populations in the world. They'd been having as many children as they could to build an army to fight Israel. Children were taught in school that it's righteous to martyr themselves for their cause. Their purpose in life isn't to build a better life for themselves; it's to destroy Israel.
 

Rose65 said:
The escalation is very worrying.
It is so harrowing reading about the dreadful injuries to eyes and hands of innocent people.
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Listen carefully. The people who were killed or injured WERE MEMBERS OF Hezbollah, a terrorist organization whose sole intent is to kill as many Jews as possible. Second point. YOU have nothing to worry about in your home in the UK. No one is going to do anything to you or your mobile phone. RELAX.

The exploding pagers were sold in bulk to Hamas and Hezbollah by a front organization, working for Shin Bet, an arm of the Israel secret service. It was a targeted intelligence operation, that was planned months ahead of time. The devices had a tiny amount ( five grams ) of semtex explosive in side each unit, which were triggered by a broadcast code message on a wide scale across Lebanon. JIMB.
 

Thank you, @jimintoronto for your explanation to @Rose65. You did it much better than I could. I was positively bamboozled when I read her post yesterday. I was about to reply when thankfully the phone rang and I couldn't. Glad you did, and you did it well.
 
IMO many wars are part of an ongoing cycle the historic Macedonian and Slav conflicts go back to Alexander the Great, the 90's fighting was essentially the latest episode.
Similarly WW1 laid the foundations for WW2 which in turn sparked the Israeli war for independence and so it continues.
 
Aunt Bea said:
This pager attack is starting to feel more like government sponsored terrorism than defense.
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Of course it is Government sponsored. By the Government of Israel. Who acted against a non elected terrorist mob, called Hezbollah. Do you honestly think that terrorists "fight fair " ???? If you could read Arabic, you would see that on all of their ceremonial green flags, the Islamic terrorists state quite clearly that their intention and main goal, is to kill every Jew in the world. Not much doubt about that, is there ? JIMB.
 
IMO terrorism has been endemic in middle east for decades.
It's like they're all standing in a cesspool accusing each other of splashing the crap.
 
When the governing body of a country, or a de-facto country, attacks civilians of another. It is an act of war. Passing it off as terrorism doesn't change reality. In war, civilians die, and not just on one side of the conflict. Of course, it's a shame, but it's not realistic to ask one side to stop fighting, while giving the other a pass.
 
JustDave said:
When the governing body of a country, or a de-facto country, attacks civilians of another. It is an act of war. Passing it off as terrorism doesn't change reality. In war, civilians die, and not just on one side of the conflict. Of course, it's a shame, but it's not realistic to ask one side to stop fighting, while giving the other a pass.
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Hezbollah are not civilians, they are soldiers without uniforms. One would not have had these pagers & walkie talkies without being active members of Hezbollah. They were not given to civilians, only participants. To be in possession of such is to be Hezbollah.
 
Pepper said:
Hezbollah are not civilians, they are soldiers without uniforms. One would not have had these pagers & walkie talkies without being active members of Hezbollah. They were not given to civilians, only participants. To be in possession of such is to be Hezbollah.
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Yes, I would assume that to be true, but military equipment does have a way of filtering down into the civilian population. That is a problem for both the military and civilians, but Hezbollah uses their civilians for cover and propaganda. It's an odd relationship, and dangerous, but seemingly effective for Hezbollah. Civilians are left to fend for themselves or join the cause.
 
They may not wear uniforms or live in barracks away from civilians, but they are Hezbollah; they are terrorists. Unfortunately, the term 'collateral damage' comes to mind.
 
I haven't read through all the replies yet and maybe somebody already asked, but here's what I wonder about these incidences.
~The news reported that Israel had made the explosive pagers and shipped them out to be used Hezbollah. Didn't Hezbollah check where the pagers came from?
~If they did, why would they use pagers sent to them by the enemy?
~Would the place the pagers were manufactured have been stamped on the devices?
~Or did Israel divert the direct shipments to another country to be shipped out so that they appeared to come from someplace else?

@Pepper Everyone injured and killed were not Hezbollah; even even children were among the dead. These devices were detonated in public spaces (the first clip I saw was in a supermarket), so there were thousands who were "collateral damage" (and I really dislike that term and what it means)! One of ABC's correspondents was only feet away when one detonated in the streets and he saw the carnage up close...but had sense enough to move away quickly to finish his report.
Update: Pepper I wrote this reply to you before I read your reply #64 mentioning collateral damage!
 
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OneEyedDiva said:
~If they did, why would they use pagers sent to them by the enemy?
~Would the place the pagers were manufactured have been stamped on the devices?
~Or did Israel divert the direct shipments to another country to be shipped out so that they appeared to come from someplace else?
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All reasonable questions. Obviously, Israel was able to hide all of that, somehow involving Taiwan and Hungary, I suppose. But Israel isn't talking. Someone else will have to figure it out. It's one of the cleverest acts in warfare I can think of.
 
It would be enormously creepy if our cell phones could be used as small bombs.? I bet they can, and some people are designing a way to do this. Once it is good to go, they sell the phone on Amazon as a name brand phone you would trust at a reduced price. 1000's of people buy one. Then when the least expect it, it blows up and does horrific damage and death/injury. Is that next?
 
JustDave said:
All reasonable questions. Obviously, Israel was able to hide all of that, somehow involving Taiwan and Hungary, I suppose. But Israel isn't talking. Someone else will have to figure it out. It's one of the cleverest acts in warfare I can think of.
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A modern version of the "Trojan Horse " of ancient times. A triple win for Shin Bet and Mossad.

First and foremost, the target group is physically attacked with many of it's members wounded and some killed. Second, the target group is disrupted and demoralized and shaken, knowing that their enemy has managed to out think them, once again. Third. The target group has to find a new and different way to communicate with it's members on a daily basis, that will be even less "secure " than it was before. JIM.
 
WhatInThe said:
There might be something to some of those allegations but that organization has come under question over the years.

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/breaking-the-silences-myths-busted/

Setting that aside Hezbollah decided to throw in with Hamas at their own peril. This is nothing new for Hezbollah and they have interjecting decades going back to the 1980s when the bombed the US embassy killing 241. It's 40 years later and not much has changed including tactic which include killing hostages.

Hezbollah has been launching rockets into Israel alot over the last year especially after a commander was killed. But they have been doing this off and on since the 1980s and Israel probably has had more than enough. This has been an on going war with periods of 'peace'. Israel knows it's in a long game/war. Hence the planning and execution of the pager and radio plan.

https://www.indiatvnews.com/explain...ire-with-tel-aviv-explained-2024-08-25-948660

Problem with Hezobollah Iran isn't just supplying or training them they're directing them in many cases. Many Lebanon probably want peace and if Hezbollah was out of the picture things might be different.
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All of those are not allegations, but factual. Reported by the UN and numerous Jewish human rights agencies. Jewish Voices for Peace, B'tselem, articles have even appeared in Haeretz News which has seemed to be a little less right wing than Times of Israel.

As for your link on Breaking the Silence, the author of that piece is a 'co-founder and chairman of My Truth, an organization comprised of Israeli reservists who speak up openly about their army experiences in order to share the true values of the IDF. He represented My Truth and Israel in the European Parliament, has shared his experiences on dozens of college campuses across the US, and speaks regularly to a wide array of audiences in Israel. He is a company commander ranked captain in the IDF reserves'.https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/author/matan-katzman/


In other words, he has a distinct bias to skew the story to justify the abuses by the IDF. You know, one thing I did years ago when I began looking at the 'story of Israel and Palestine', was I made a point of NOT reading viewpoints from Palestinian writers. I assumed rightly, that they would be extremely biased and might spin the story to support a narrative to justify the terrorism of the suicide bombers, etc.

I read what came out of Haeretz, Jewish human rights groups, the UN, some history books and the book, Peace Not Apartheid, that your president, Jimmy Carter wrote after he spent several years working to bring the two sides together. And I listened to outspoken Jewish Israeli individuals like Miko Peled (The General's Son) and Dr. Norman Finklestein. My conclusions are based on the words and writings of Jewish and American people who've worked diligently to bring the truth to the world. So this Jewish 'military' person who is trying to distract and dissuade people from listening to the soldiers who served in the IDF and who are ashamed of what they did, means very little due to his own obvious bias.
 
HermitHogan said:
Regarding the Israeli/Palestinian war... It seems like Israel is completely fed up and at this point is in the process of obliterating Palestine. It's sad that this is what it has come to, but Palestinians don't want peace; they want to destroy Israel, so in response, Israel is destroying Palestine.
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The Palestinian people do want peace. Which is why Yasser Arafat signed a document with Rabin, and which stated that the Palestinian people would stop the violence and seek peace as a way to learn to live together amicably was worked out. That signing was actually the reason a Jewish terrorist assassinated Rabin a couple years later.

Not only that, starting in 2005 and going forward at least til 2014, Palestinians marched weekly for peace. Peace marches, road blockades to protest the theft of their land, demonstrations, strikes....all peaceful and always met with water cannons, rubber bullets and live ammunition, imprisonment and for at least 14 people, death.....(from the link) "These harsh IDF responses are not provoked by Palestinian violence. A leaked 2010 U.S. State Department memo records Israel’s top military official in the West Bank, General Avi Mizrahi, promising to use skunk water and mass arrests to quell “even demonstrations that appear peaceful.”

It's an interesting article and I think should be read in order to understand what is really going on in that country. That Hamas has until recently, had a focus of driving Israeli Jews out of the region, doesn't take into account that the majority of the people want this to end and would love to live in peace.

..https://www.dissentmagazine.org/blog/dear-nick-kristof-your-palestinian-gandhis-are-already-here/
 
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Rakaia said:
... WW1 laid the foundations for WW2 which in turn sparked the Israeli war for independence and so it continues.
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Just to clarify, the Israeli people were given a state and independence by a majority decision. They were immediately attacked and had to fight to maintain their newly established independence.

That was their "war of independence", and to everyone's surprise, it didn't last long and they were successful. Soon as the dust settled, they negotiated terms to ensure their continued independence, and shortly after that, the terms were violated.
Infinitum.
 
HermitHogan said:
Gaza had near total autonomy since 2005. Rather than build their economy and society, they put all their efforts into building tunnels and missiles. They even ripped up the infrastructure left in place when Israeli settlers left.

Before the Oct. 7th attack, Gaza had one of the fastest growing populations in the world. They'd been having as many children as they could to build an army to fight Israel. Children were taught in school that it's righteous to martyr themselves for their cause. Their purpose in life isn't to build a better life for themselves; it's to destroy Israel.
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They haven't had total autonomy when the Israeli government decides how much food and medicine and everything else goes into Gaza and when the produce that they once grew in the greenhouses that were abandoned there, was stopped at checkpoints to wilt and rot so that the people couldn't earn income from it. They have no autonomy when Israel patrols the sea and shoots at anyone who goes out to far in small fishing boats.

And the suggestion that they are having children to 'build an army' is ridiculous. They are poor, can't afford birth control and even if they could, their religion probably doesn't allow/encourage it as they see every child as a gift from God. Also, the reason Gaza has grown so fast is because Israeli settlers are attacking Palestinian villages and families all over the country and they retreat to Gaza to escape that violence.

And while they might be at peace with 'going home to God' when they die, at the same time, Israeli's are actively teaching their children that Palestinians are subhuman and deserve to die.

James Brancatella, a convert from Catholicism to Islam, has a video on his Youtube channel called 'Israeli Children Being Taught to Murder and Enslave all Arabs'. It appears to be a nanny cam (maybe a security camera) type video of Israeli children in a classroom, being encouraged to discuss killing Palestinians (if they met an Arab boy, what would they do, with the answer being 'kill him') and the adults in the room all smile and nod approvingly. If you think Jewish children aren't being indoctrinated, well all I can say is, you are mistaken and you are naive.

I'd share the video if I could but for some reason, every time I do that, it shows up as unavailable even though the video is available on Youtube. But do a search for Brancatella's name and the name of that particular video and you can easily find it.
 
makes me wonder if the same could happen to us. if they targeted one specific brand cell phone for instance.

Two days ago, i downloaded the new update and ever since, my phone has got too hot to handle after 30 min of use. (supposedly a fix is coming sun/mon).
 
Murrmurr said:
Just to clarify, the Israeli people were given a state and independence by a majority decision. They were immediately attacked and had to fight to maintain their newly established independence.

That was their "war of independence", and to everyone's surprise, it didn't last long and they were successful. Soon as the dust settled, they negotiated terms to ensure their continued independence, and shortly after that, the terms were violated.
Infinitum.
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Just to clarify, they were given that state by Britain. And naturally, the indigenous residents of that country fought back because they didn't want to lose their homes. Not that hard to understand. But that also doesn't change the fact that for the past 70 years, the Israeli's have been making the lives of Palestinian people a complete nightmare and that the world has turned it's face from even as we harp on China for oppressing the Uigher's or decry the bloodshed in Uganda or Rwanda or S. Africa, or castigate Russia for attacking Georgia, S. Ossetia, and now Ukraine. The West reeks of hypocrisy on this.
 
Debrah N. said:
Just to clarify, they were given that state by Britain. And naturally, the indigenous residents of that country fought back because they didn't want to lose their homes. Not that hard to understand. But that also doesn't change the fact that for the past 70 years, the Israeli's have been making the lives of Palestinian people a complete nightmare and that the world has turned it's face from even as we harp on China for oppressing the Uigher's or decry the bloodshed in Uganda or Rwanda or S. Africa, or castigate Russia for attacking Georgia, S. Ossetia, and now Ukraine. The West reeks of hypocrisy on this.
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Palestine is surrounded by a wide range of Arab nations. Why are the Arab Muslims not offering to bring the Palestinians to safety, in THEIR countries ? That is the real question. Two and a half million Palestinians could easily be brought to the 4 largest Muslim Arab countries, who are also wealthy in terms of their oil sales to the world. That isn't ever going to happen.

The answer of course is that the other Muslim countries don't want to bring the Palestinians into their countries , but need/want the Palestinians to continue to be the "stone in the shoe of the Jews ". A persistent and ongoing irritant that requires the Jews to defend and react. War by proxy.
 

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