Against the vaccine? What about polio?

Brookswood said:
What that proves is that laymen don’t understand what scientists mean when they talk about theories.
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What do they mean then?

Cause when I look up the definition of theory, it comes up something that they think but is not proven. So I believe in bigfoot, some evidence like hair and footprints, but that doesn't prove they exist. Lol!

Please explain what these scientists mean by theory.
 
Inept said:
About 10% of the population of Sweden wore masks and they were completely voluntary. So where are the corpses?
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Buried?

There were 27,407 documented cases of people dying from covid-19 in Sweden.
Sweden COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

The COVID-19 pandemic in Sweden is a part of the pandemic of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). As of 22 March 2023, there have been 2,701,192 confirmed cumulative cases and 23,851 deaths with confirmed COVID-19 in Sweden.[1] Sweden ranks 57th in per capita deaths worldwide, and out of 47 European countries, Sweden places 30th. A 2022 estimate of excess mortality during the pandemic using IHME COVID model estimated 18,300 excess deaths during 2020–2021 [6] The Economist model value estimated 13,670 excess deaths between 16th 2020-Mar 6th 2022.[7]
COVID-19 pandemic in Sweden - Wikipedia
 

HermitHogan said:
Buried?

There were 27,407 documented cases of people dying from covid-19 in Sweden.
Sweden COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

The COVID-19 pandemic in Sweden is a part of the pandemic of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). As of 22 March 2023, there have been 2,701,192 confirmed cumulative cases and 23,851 deaths with confirmed COVID-19 in Sweden.[1] Sweden ranks 57th in per capita deaths worldwide, and out of 47 European countries, Sweden places 30th. A 2022 estimate of excess mortality during the pandemic using IHME COVID model estimated 18,300 excess deaths during 2020–2021 [6] The Economist model value estimated 13,670 excess deaths between 16th 2020-Mar 6th 2022.[7]
COVID-19 pandemic in Sweden - Wikipedia
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I don't believe any of that.
 
Tazx said:
Cause when I look up the definition of theory, it comes up something that they think but is not proven. So I believe in bigfoot, some evidence like hair and footprints, but that doesn't prove they exist. Lol!

Please explain what these scientists mean by theory.
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I'd like to know, too. I was always taught in school the definition of theory you provided, @Tazx, as well as that a theory that cannot be disproven is called a law.
 
Tazx said:
you can trick your mind or be tricked into thinking you are taking medicine that helps you, and you actually get better.
So why can it not work the other way! Too many people were 'told' they were ill, dangerous, and there was a massive pandemic, but were they?
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People often brainwash themselves, so it is easy for them to be brainwashed by the main stream media.
The mind is a powerful thing, that can and does determine our destiny. If a person believes they'll get sick,
they'll get sick. If people believe they'll get deathly sick from an imaginary virus that doesn't exist, they'll get
sick, not from any imaginary virus that doesn't exist, but because they created that scenario in their minds.

I've heard people say, and say these things over and over: "I can't stand ___x___ , my legs are burning up!
I will never be able to ___x___ , I will never recover from ___x___ , and so on and so on. People often repeat
these negative things to themselves thousands of times every day, which is absolutely harmful to themselves!

The mind is powerful. The mind controls the body, and determines people's destinies. Some people don't
understand how easily their minds are programmed, yet they continue to do it to themselves in negative ways.
People can either choose to control their own destinies, or they are easily controlled by others, usually always by
their own negative thoughts, then easily taken advantage of by various authority figures, like the main stream media.

It is just as easy to be positive as it is to be negative, and the results invariably turn out to be more positive.
 
Tazx said:
What do they mean then?

Cause when I look up the definition of theory, it comes up something that they think but is not proven. So I believe in bigfoot, some evidence like hair and footprints, but that doesn't prove they exist. Lol!

Please explain what these scientists mean by theory.
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A scientific theory is a well-supported explanation for natural phenomena that is based on facts and hypotheses that have been tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation:


  • Explanation
    A scientific theory is a carefully constructed explanation for observations of the natural world.


  • Evidence
    A scientific theory is based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment.


  • Testable
    A scientific theory is testable, and new evidence should be compatible with it. If it isn't, the theory is refined or rejected.


    • Predictive
      A scientific theory allows scientists to make predictions of what they should observe if the theory is true.

    • Origin
      A scientific theory begins as a hypothesis, which is then tested, verified, and generalized over time.
Some examples of scientific theories include:
    • The theory of gravitation: Explains why apples fall from trees and astronauts float in space

    • The theory of evolution: Explains why so many plants and animals exist on Earth now and in the past

    • Einstein's special theory of relativity: Based on the assumption that the speed of light in a vacuum is a constant

    • Kinetic theory of heat: The theory that the temperature of a body increases when kinetic energy increases

  • What Is a Theory? A Scientific Definition | AMNH
    Part of the Darwin exhibition. More in Darwin. In everyday use, the word "theory" often means an untested hunch, or a guess withou...
    American Museum of Natural History


  • Scientific theory - Wikipedia
    A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts. ..A scientific theory is a carefully constructed explanation for observations of the natural world.




 
Well I've had several covid boosters and a week ago another booster and a flu shot . I have COPD and DH is diabetic, we were so thankful we had had the first covid shot, when we ended up with covid 19. We had a very light case.We were able to get tests free from our local pharmacy. However our son got it before there was a vaccine, he was so sick, very high fever He couldn't lay down because he couldn't breathe, so he had to sit for days. I was calling him 4 times a day because he wouldn't allow us anywhere near him. He called the hospital and the told him to stay away if he was sick. He could have died with no help for him. Finally after about 2 weeks he said "You know Mom you don't have to call 4 times a day" and I knew he was getting well. He got the shot and the boosters, said he never wanted to go through Covid again! Thankfully he wasn't allergic to it like he is to so many shots.
 
So the first think I take offense at is that fact you say people can carry a virus and not know it. Yep, its called health! If I am not ill, still going about my normal day, heading to the gym, take our dog to the park, etc, I am not sick. I am not asymptomatic-such a dumb word omg-If that is the case, that you can catch something from someone who doesn't know it, we'd all be dead. All kinds of diseases can pass in bodily fluids. We would have no hope.

If I have it and I don't know, that means my body sensed an invader, sent my immune system to render it harmless. If I don't feel 'symptoms', my body has inactivated it. So that would mean I am not passing you anything 'dangerous'. If I am passing you anything, its a dead virus.
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Asymptomatic is not a dumb word, it is a word that means what it says - you have a disease without showing symptoms.

It does not follow that people not showing symptoms cannot pass on live virus to other people.

And of course most of us also understand incubation period - where you are passing on infection in the period between exposure and developing symptoms.
This is not a new concept nor one unique to Covid.

You post a lot of misinformation and show no understanding of basic concepts.
 
January said:
Asymptomatic is not a dumb word, it is a word that means what it says - you have a disease without showing symptoms.

It does not follow that people not showing symptoms cannot pass on live virus to other people.

And of course most of us also understand incubation period - where you are passing on infection in the period between exposure and developing symptoms.
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VD for example?
 
Olivia said:
A scientific theory is a well-supported explanation for natural phenomena that is based on facts and hypotheses that have been tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation:


  • Explanation
    A scientific theory is a carefully constructed explanation for observations of the natural world.


  • Evidence
    A scientific theory is based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment.


  • Testable
    A scientific theory is testable, and new evidence should be compatible with it. If it isn't, the theory is refined or rejected.


    • Predictive
      A scientific theory allows scientists to make predictions of what they should observe if the theory is true.

    • Origin
      A scientific theory begins as a hypothesis, which is then tested, verified, and generalized over time.
Some examples of scientific theories include:
    • The theory of gravitation: Explains why apples fall from trees and astronauts float in space

    • The theory of evolution: Explains why so many plants and animals exist on Earth now and in the past

    • Einstein's special theory of relativity: Based on the assumption that the speed of light in a vacuum is a constant

    • Kinetic theory of heat: The theory that the temperature of a body increases when kinetic energy increases

  • What Is a Theory? A Scientific Definition | AMNH
    Part of the Darwin exhibition. More in Darwin. In everyday use, the word "theory" often means an untested hunch, or a guess withou...
    American Museum of Natural History


  • Scientific theory - Wikipedia
    A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts. ..A scientific theory is a carefully constructed explanation for observations of the natural world.




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Sorry getting definitions from wiki or other sources are not reliable.

Its called a theory because it is just that. A theory. If it is facts it becomes scientific law or plainly a fact. A fact is something that can not be disproved.

None of what you mentioned is true.
 
January said:
Asymptomatic is not a dumb word, it is a word that means what it says - you have a disease without showing symptoms.

It does not follow that people not showing symptoms cannot pass on live virus to other people.

And of course most of us also understand incubation period - where you are passing on infection in the period between exposure and developing symptoms.
This is not a new concept nor one unique to Covid.

You post a lot of misinformation and show no understanding of basic concepts.
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OK, so a few things.

First if I am apparently asymptomatic and never get something, then I don't really care. Lol. How would I know that I was sick if my body showed no signs?! Unless I am ever ill enough to see a doctor I would never know I am asymptomatic. By that theory everyone walking around is asymptomatic. And if everyone could have something but not know it, we would all be infected with something, literally all the time.

Second from Yale medical..."(in asymptomatic cases), is that having a positive LFT, or PCR is not proof of infectiousness as the virus may not be actively infecting (live) and that can only be determined by cell culture. As such, the true degree of infectiousness of asymptomatic individuals compared to symptomatic individuals is still debated".

Notice the word 'live' in there? So my body detected something, before it could infect me and make me ill or pass it to others, it was made inactive-not live. So what would I pass you? A dead infection? Oh no!

So again that means the testing they tried to get everyone to do or did do, told you nothing. Right from day one, many intelligent doctors said asymptomatic people was a non starter. If there was not more in depth testing done, you cant say the apparent illness was active or not.

As I mentioned before what the immune system does. It takes something that has invaded your body, destroys or inactivates something before it makes you ill, which in turn means you can't pass it on as it has to replicate and overwhelm your bodies immune system first. Which makes you infectious. But if it inactivates the infection before you get signs, then it is not a live infection.

Testing someone with a pcr or lft, or anything and finding this debris is not an indicator of illness. It is finding dead cellular debris.
This is simple immunology.
 
Tazx said:
What do they mean then?

Cause when I look up the definition of theory, it comes up something that they think but is not proven. So I believe in bigfoot, some evidence like hair and footprints, but that doesn't prove they exist. Lol!

Please explain what these scientists mean by theory.
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You asked. l answered. If you don't agree with it that is not my problem because you could have looked it up for yourself.

You said "Please explain what these scientists mean by theory." And the sources for what l wrote were not just Wikipedia. Read more carefully.
 
Olivia said:
You asked. l answered. If you don't agree with it that is not my problem because you could have looked it up for yourself.

You said "Please explain what these scientists mean by theory." And the sources for what l wrote were not just Wikipedia. Read more carefully.
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Funny. You should know I was being sarcastic. Of course I know what a theory is, I wasn't asking.

Once again a theory is unproven idea.
 
Tazx said:
First if I am apparently asymptomatic and never get something, then I don't really care. Lol. How would I know that I was sick if my body showed no signs?! Unless I am ever ill enough to see a doctor I would never know I am asymptomatic. By that theory everyone walking around is asymptomatic
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Well, most people would care about passing it on to others, who may not be asymptomatic with the disease.

You would know if you had something by testing - not just covid. Or by the fact that other people around you caught a disease that you had passed on.

No, by that theory not everyone walking around is asymptomatic- that isnt what it means.
 
Tazx said:
So the first think I take offense at is that fact you say people can carry a virus and not know it. Yep, its called health! If I am not ill, still going about my normal day, heading to the gym, take our dog to the park, etc, I am not sick. I am not asymptomatic-such a dumb word omg-If that is the case, that you can catch something from someone who doesn't know it, we'd all be dead. All kinds of diseases can pass in bodily fluids. We would have no hope.

If I have it and I don't know, that means my body sensed an invader, sent my immune system to render it harmless. If I don't feel 'symptoms', my body has inactivated it. So that would mean I am not passing you anything 'dangerous'. If I am passing you anything, its a dead virus.

7 million died out of 8 billion. Do the math. What is that? 0.000875. Not to be cold but so what. A drop in the bucket. Every country pretty much is the same with who was affected. In Canada the avg age was 79 if I remember correctly, and 82 in US? now before anyone attacks me, I am not saying these people are less important (I have a mother and mother in law in that age), but biology has proven that usually these age groups have multiple comorbidities, most have life altering or threatening diseases, or are just unfortunately weakened. So sadly they take the brunt of anything.

So we broke the worlds economy, eliminated jobs, businesses, destroyed children, ruined families friends, ruined travel, and did all kinds of damage to our future over 0.000875? Was it worth it? Heck no. Absolutely ridiculous.

Do you know why hospitals were overwhelmed? Which is funny because they were not overwhelmed in Germany, Poland and Czech. We lived in 1, family in another and friends in another. Did you not see film your hospital videos. It was all the rage here in Eu. They were not busy at all, in fact slower than normal. So I am not sure where you got your info from. As for Canada I call malarky on those as well. If they were so busy...how did they have time to make all those dance videos? There were literally thousands of dance videos on youtube, tik tok, and all social media.

So doctors and nurses so overwhelmed that they had time to practice and coordinate dance moves hey? Lol! Also our daughter lives in Vancouver, and its funny how a dozen medical professionals had time to come out of the hospital to be serenaded by the police or people driving by in cars honking to thank your front line workers.

That in itself enraged me for personal reasons. I put my actual life on the line in 5 tours of duty in some of the worst places. Experiencing the loss of friends from (no Canucks) other nations in missions to protect the free world. Bullets whizzing by, people trying to kill me, on my last tour I was injured permanently. When we all got home where was our 'thanks for being an actual front line worker'? Ha, nothing. We serve from the thought we do it for our families and country, but the whole thank you for your service garbage is so meaningless, most of us hate hearing it.

Masks...really? First Fraudci admitted in the US congressional hearing they do not work. In the forces we take NBC training, and from day 1 to the end of your career we are always told if attacked with biological or chemical weapons and you dont have your mask (military gas mask with filters) on, you are dead. No other mask or cloth is going to protect you.

Not only that, a so called 'virus' particles are smaller than smoking, car exhaust, drywall dust etc. Many videos proved smoking particles and car exhaust go right through. Drywallers use a special mask with filters. But you think you little piece of cloth is going to stop anything. If it was airborne and so tiny how do you stop it? Post a link to a Medical book to show masks prevent infection from infectious disease? OSA in Canada even came forward at one time and mentioned they do not work for the purposes the govt said.

Same as 6 feet. Such a joke. Look up how far a sneeze travels? Actually look up how far using certain words expel your breath out. Look up temperature affecting sneeze and breath distance of travel. It was all ridiculous.

So we were in Poland during this time. 1 lockdown-the original Apr -May. Then that was it. No more lockdowns. The people forbid it. Our gym was open the entire time. Never shut, not one day. No masks. No one disappeared from the gym. No one was out for a week cause they were sick. In fact, there were a few people there blowing their nose, but still there. The gym owner didn't care. He was in the belief that exercise heals you so you should be there. We were there 6 days a week the whole time. Friends who were employed at banks and at govt institution, never required to get vaccinated (never a vax pass) or wear a mask to go to work.

Both were recommended, but the govt knew it was illegal to force you. We went to the mall which only closed the first time, went to the store, parks, played frisbee in the park, walked our dogs, met for coffee regularly and so on. We travelled to other cities in Poland and lived a 99 percent normal life during this so called pandemic. The 1 percent was the annoyance of people telling you to wear a mask!

As for Sweden being the outlier, far from it. First off almost 90 percent of Africa didn't get any vaccines, and most nations had no masks. They were reserved for medical professionals. Why isn't all of Africa gone today? They have almost or maybe a billion people, where was the massive deaths there?

Sweden, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, Kosovo and a few more didn't go along with the 'rules' of covid. We never had any mass die offs in any of these countries. If you look up Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia, you will see the lowest vax rates in the world. We were in Croatia in Dec-Mar of this year, and spent a lot of time with our friend and his family.

The vax rate was so low the govt had to issue an investigation, because more than 37 doctors found giving fake vax certificates, and the govt didn't know how many tens of thousands are really vaxxed or not. But he also said most businesses didn't shut down, people could wear masks, but no one was arrested or fired. That kind of garbage and violation of human rights was in Can and US.

I am personally so tired of this garbage. There was no massive die off anymore than normal. In Canada you read many articles of patients stacked in hallways, or 2 to 3 or even 4 to a room. IN 2016 my mother in Mb, said it was so bad they put people in unused storage and surgical rooms because they were overwhelmed. Hallway medicine has been a thing in Canada for years. Nothing new there.

People post and preach all of this stuff over and over and over that there was a pandemic. Maybe an epidemic, maybe. But when 0.000845 percent die of whatever it was, its not a worry. The problem is the placebo affect has proven that you can trick your mind or be tricked into thinking you are taking medicine that helps you, and you actually get better. So why can it not work the other way! Too many people were 'told' they were ill, dangerous, and there was a massive pandemic, but were they?
Was there? I mean world wide govts are spending the next 10 years in court for lies about covid and various issues with covid, but we still believe it as it was? Many court cases in Canada where when asked to prove the 'science' the govt dropped the case. Not to mention prove that c-19 exists, they couldn't. A lot of losses for the govt of Can and many provinces ongoing. It was all lies to control and fool you.

Was there a cold and flu? Maybe. But if you look at science it is well know that when you body gets toxic, the body and its mechanisms detoxes, and the resulting effects is 'sickness or illness'. In fact many treatments you get worse before getting better because of this fact. The human immune system is one of the greatest things there is. It can protect us from everything on this planet...if we take care of it. But the problem is most do not, and they pay the price.

As I have mentioned before, spending time overseas, behind the scenes in combat zones knowing how govts and command lies or exaggerates, how govt manipulate the truth, how anyone can believe the tv or govt press conferences is completely shocking to me. The fact that people don't question anything anymore is a sign of the downfall of humanity. We are born to question things. That's what children do. That's what we all should be doing. But alas, we don't. Maybe its the Philo degree or that the curtain has been pulled away for me, but....

One last thing, so tired of people saying people who question are anti vax or anti this or that. No, we are or rather I am anti lies, anti govt corruption. For Canadians...Trudeau has shares in the company that makes vaccines in Canada. No conflict there! Lol. keep believing.
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You can be offended all you want, but people can carry the virus and not show symptoms. It's called being asymptomatic. Look it up, it's a thing. And since that's how you started, it's pretty obvious that there's no point in looking at the rest of your hysterical post.
 
Tazx said:
First if I am apparently asymptomatic and never get something, then I don't really care. Lol. How would I know that I was sick if my body showed no signs?! Unless I am ever ill enough to see a doctor I would never know I am asymptomatic. By that theory everyone walking around is asymptomatic. And if everyone could have something but not know it, we would all be infected with something, literally all the time.
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Saying someone is asymptomatic is like saying "you're not fat, but you might be." :unsure:
Some people will hysterically insist, "just because you're not fat doesn't mean you're not fat!"

Tazx said:
As I mentioned before what the immune system does. It takes something that has invaded your body, destroys or inactivates something before it makes you ill, which in turn means you can't pass it on as it has to replicate and overwhelm your bodies immune system first. Which makes you infectious. But if it inactivates the infection before you get signs, then it is not a live infection.
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Well said.
Hypothetically, if the imaginary viruses weren't scared to death of me, accidentally entered my body and were
immediately destroyed, that means they're all gone. Poof! Vanished. Disappeared. They're no longer in existence.

If someone was susceptible to catching those imaginary viruses, that have never existed, and which were destroyed
when they entered my body, then perhaps that person would "catch" my ability to likewise destroy the imaginary viruses.

Personally I believe that people could gain this ability by simply improving their mental and physical health, which it seems
to me is not only an important and worthy endeavor, but vital. Why many people instead prefer to pollute and destroy their
bodies with barbaric pharma procedures and toxic potentially deadly drugs is a mystery, but that's the path they have chosen.
 
Between the 9 US states and 4 countries (and counting) suing Pfizer...and after just finished the movie vaxxed 3, I went to Eu, UK and us and their versions of vaers. Then I went to If anyone pro or anti vax watches this movie and still supports c-19 vax, then that person has a serious issue.
Debrah N. said:
You can be offended all you want, but people can carry the virus and not show symptoms. It's called being asymptomatic. Look it up, it's a thing. And since that's how you started, it's pretty obvious that there's no point in looking at the rest of your hysterical post.
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Did you not read my post by Yale Medical? So your mad at the medical industry for lying to you about asymptomatic, your not really mad at me!
 
Debrah N. said:
You can be offended all you want, but people can carry the virus and not show symptoms. It's called being asymptomatic. Look it up, it's a thing. And since that's how you started, it's pretty obvious that there's no point in looking at the rest of your hysterical post.
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Just in case you missed it.....Yale medical..."(in asymptomatic cases), is that having a positive LFT, or PCR is not proof of infectiousness as the virus may not be actively infecting (live) and that can only be determined by cell culture. As such, the true degree of infectiousness of asymptomatic individuals compared to symptomatic individuals is still debated"

Hmmm, so if you didnt have any other test other than pcr, lft etc, all those results were meaningless. Unless a cell culture test or deeper, you didn't know squat.

Again be mad a Yale, not me!
 

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