Against the vaccine? What about polio?

Tazx said:
This would explain why gym owners in New Jersey to California reported that their members that kept going to the gym reported the lowest amount of illness during the so called pandemic.
The new Jersey gym owner at several locations got affidavits from 10000 members in NJ, stating they support the decision, and that none of them ended up in the hospital or obviously died!

He recently had all charges dropped, all fines cancelled, and will be the recipient of a large sum of money from the NJ govt as a result of the lawsuit.

Court ruled it was illegal to force closure of a business.

Zoo culture in LA owned by Bradley Martin stayed open as well. He recently won in court in corruptifornia, had all charges and fines dropped and he is proceeding with a lawsuit. Not a single member at his gym ended up dead or in the hospital.

As I mentioned our gym x-gym stayed open the whole time, we went 6 times a week, and while I dont have statistics, never once heard about someone catching the vid, getting sick or dying. Maybe people got sick, but it wasn't noticed if any.
Since several gyms complied with the so called and illegal closures, x-gym memberships skyrocketed. It ended up getting quite busy. Should have been a covid stew waiting to boil with all those people in a tight close space breathing heavy, talking, sweating, showering etc, but nope. If there was someone no one heard about it.

Exactly what is said above...eat a healthy diet, vitamins, a good mind set, exercise vigorously, and stay away from drugs and medicines. Doesn't anyone wonder why when you take certain drugs for your 10-14 days or whatever, you should or have to do a course of pills that re-balance your gut? I mean its right there for all to see.
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Mark Crispin Miller!😆 A noted conspiracy theorist who has promoted conspiracies about dead Sandy Hook children, 911, presidential elections, etc. and including the covid vaccines and the virus.....a guy who's education is that he's a professor of media studies?

And your anecdotes about 'nobody in your gym getting covid.....and you didn't notice any who might have', is one heck of an anecdote and about as stringently tested as Miller's assertion that no children died at Sandy Hook Elementary school. Hmmm, I wonder if Alex Jones called Miller as a witness for his assertion it was a hoax (just before the judge found him liable for a $1 billion payment for damages to those poor parents).

And regarding the gyms, not so surprising that few people might have caught it there because it is customary after using a machine, to spray hand holds or rings or bars with a disinfectant after you use them. And since I'm betting people were extra careful to not congregate and to space themselves out and wash their hands after being in a place like that....you haven't actually proved anything.
 

Debrah N. said:
And regarding the gyms, not so surprising that few people might have caught it there because it is customary after using a machine, to spray hand holds or rings or bars with a disinfectant after you use them. And since I'm betting people were extra careful to not congregate and to space themselves out and wash their hands after being in a place like that....you haven't actually proved anything.
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Might also be another reason for few Covid reports from gym users. I suspect that many users are reluctant to report a Covid infection before, during or after gym use. Their reluctance could avoid violating a gym rule, or if another gym user got severely or fatally ill they might be accused or even sued, so best to keep the trap shut.
 
ElCastor said:
Might also be another reason for few Covid reports from gym users. I suspect that many users are reluctant to report a Covid infection before, during or after gym use. Their reluctance could avoid violating a gym rule, or if another gym user got severely or fatally ill they might be accused or even sued, so best to keep the trap shut.
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That might be a reason too.
 

Paco Dennis said:
That is a very good question. My doctor wants me to get "the jab" in February. I have read and listened to the stories and have doubts about what to do. Take a chance on living with a mask on, wherever I go and risking contracting the virus and then my death probably or get the jab and get some other terrible health problem.? IDK. :)
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Yeah body autonomy is vip. You have to decide what you think is best for you regardless of what others say.

People that have an opinion have just that, an opinion. I personally never take vaccines, or prescriptions. It works for my wife and I, but maybe not for everyone.

The information is out there. If you are truly concerned do your research for and against. You decide. Your body your choice.

Well wishes!
 
Debrah N. said:
I don't think anything you said, suggests its not possible to be a carrier even though you don't show symptoms. Your comment only says, you can only know for sure if you are tested a certain way. Which means, you can be a walking Petri dish of disease, even though you feel fine. You just don't know. YOU just don't know.
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Well it said essentially that the lft and pcr testing was fraud. It medically proves nothing. So all the people who had one of those, really was pointless.

Reading the entire article...the rest of the research kinda does mention if your not ill, the body has killed or inactivated the bacteria/fungi/'virus'/ whatever. So, once again according to medicine if your not sick your not sick! My body killed the invader rendering it harmless before the infectious phase, so what I am passing you? What?

I am sorry to say but this mind set is not good. As I said earlier in the forum...if that is the case, then no one should interact with anyone and we should all stay home forever if we think we can pass things to each other so easily, even when we are not sick. Ridiculous!
 
Debrah N. said:
Mark Crispin Miller!😆 A noted conspiracy theorist who has promoted conspiracies about dead Sandy Hook children, 911, presidential elections, etc. and including the covid vaccines and the virus.....a guy who's education is that he's a professor of media studies?

And your anecdotes about 'nobody in your gym getting covid.....and you didn't notice any who might have', is one heck of an anecdote and about as stringently tested as Miller's assertion that no children died at Sandy Hook Elementary school. Hmmm, I wonder if Alex Jones called Miller as a witness for his assertion it was a hoax (just before the judge found him liable for a $1 billion payment for damages to those poor parents).

And regarding the gyms, not so surprising that few people might have caught it there because it is customary after using a machine, to spray hand holds or rings or bars with a disinfectant after you use them. And since I'm betting people were extra careful to not congregate and to space themselves out and wash their hands after being in a place like that....you haven't actually proved anything.
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Ok, sure, there is no way to know for sure that no one got a cold. Absolutely right and I will concede that point. But when you go to the gym 6 days a week for the time frame that the cold was circulating, you tend to notice if 'john' or 'jane' disappears for a week or so. And if people do disappear it is usually talked about when they get back. How are you, where have you been etc.

So yes maybe people we didn't know got ill, but the point is, these gyms functioned as normal, no 6 ft rule, no mask rule, no vax rule, and I would say 99 percent of the people were there.

The other question is, why didn't we all get sick and die? Why did so many gyms around the world do better than the general population? Correlation, causation can't be denied.

Our country was one of the free ones. Our stores and gyms stayed open. Kids went to school, grad happened, weddings and funeral took place, people traveled (within as other countries closed borders), economy did well and so on. So why didn't the entire country get sick and die?
Our country has the exact same population as Canada (in the 35-38 mill range), we had less deaths and never were our hospitals even close to full. So we were free, Canada was a tyranical nightmare, but Canada did worse (not a lot, but you see the point)?? Freedom vs tyranny made no difference.
The cold and flu was going to do what it did. But by people being free, allowing to 'live' so to speak, the populace was healthier than those forced to sit and hide from life.
 
Tazx said:
Well it said essentially that the lft and pcr testing was fraud. It medically proves nothing. So all the people who had one of those, really was pointless. … The cold and flu was going to do what it did. But by people being free, allowing to 'live' so to speak, the populace was healthier than those forced to sit and hide from life. Canada was a tyranical nightmare, but Canada did worse..
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Well spoken.
 
Olivia said:
How would any of you feel if someone became very ill because of so-called medical advise given on a discussion board. Of course you could always use "caveat emptor" to protect yourself.
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As already stated, nobody gives medical advice but all people here describe what they do for themselves.
I've discussed the mRNA topic with a friend, who is as critical as I and he just answered "don't waste your time with writing comments".
 
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Olivia said:
How would any of you feel if someone became very ill because of so-called medical advise given on a discussion board. Of course you could always use "caveat emptor" to protect yourself.
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That's exactly why it's important for people to speak up, because of the multitudes of people who've been getting drastically sick and dying from the bogus so called "medical advice" which is actually just a bunch of rubbish propaganda pushing harmful and dangerous chemical poisons in order to keep lining their pockets, meanwhile not giving a care in the world for all the people they been causing to suffer and murdering with their barbarian treatments.
 
As an independent thinker, I researched & questioned my health provider for each vaccine before committing. COVID scared me somewhat. (I was compromised thrice so had 4-5, wife had to stop at 3 - blood clots), polio was a must to my parents, RVA is questionable & probably will pass on it, but I've been getting my annual flu shot each year. Had shingles in my 50's, know I'm not immune so taking the risk (the shot is probably worse than the disease).

JC (above) may be right. Medical advice can be flawed but I don't have the training or knowledge to disagree.
 
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Doesn't it seem like 99% of the reliable medical professionals recommend getting the Covid shot? Are they all stupid, or gullible? You would think they know what they are doing. I would like to read a reliable medical professional talk about why it is a bad idea. Could anyone direct me to some resource material on why one should not get the Covid shot? Thanks.
 
Paco Dennis said:
Doesn't it seem like 99% of the reliable medical professionals recommend getting the Covid shot? Are they all stupid, or gullible? You would think they know what they are doing. I would like to read a reliable medical professional talk about why it is a bad idea. Could anyone direct me to some resource material on why one should not get the Covid shot? Thanks.
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Try Jesse Watters. I think that's where a lot of people get their "resource material" these days.
 
Jesse Waters said "Ask Dr. Fauchi, You funded risky research at a sloppy Chinese lab, the same lab that sprung this pandemic on the world. You know why people don't trust you, don't you?". Does he have evidence? If anyone has a reference I would appreciate reading it. Thanks.
 
Tazx said:
This would explain why gym owners in New Jersey to California reported that their members that kept going to the gym reported the lowest amount of illness during the so called pandemic.
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Debrah N. said:
And regarding the gyms, not so surprising that few people might have caught it there because it is customary after using a machine, to spray hand holds or rings or bars with a disinfectant after you use them. And since I'm betting people were extra careful to not congregate and to space themselves out and wash their hands after being in a place like that....you haven't actually proved anything.
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@Tazx 's observations are backed by this study from Harvard. Prepandemic Physical Activity and Risk of COVID-19 Diagnosis and Hospitalization in Older Adults The study looked at nearly 62,000 adults age 45 and over and found decreased infection rates and hospitalization when infection did occur in active people. This is not surprising given the number of studies over the past few years showing increased severity of infection and mortality among the obese.

@Debrah N. Studies also show limited fomite transmission as opposed to airborne transmission. Your speculation re gym sanitation practices is not supported by research.

As an aside: It's important to keep in mind that anecdotal evidence is often an important part of the scientific method in that it prompts the first step of investigation which is to "Ask a question". Scientists notice trends i.e. "anecdotal evidence" then design studies to obtain emperical evidence.
 
AnnieA said:
@Tazx 's observations are backed by this study from Harvard. Prepandemic Physical Activity and Risk of COVID-19 Diagnosis and Hospitalization in Older Adults The study looked at nearly 62,000 adults age 45 and over and found decreased infection rates and hospitalization when infection did occur in active people. This is not surprising given the number of studies over the past few years showing increased severity of infection and mortality among the obese.

@Debrah N. Studies also show limited fomites transmission as opposed to airborne transmission. Your speculation re gym sanitation practices is not supported by research.

As an aside: It's important to keep in mind that anecdotal evidence is often an important part of the scientific method in that it prompts the first step of investigation which is to "Ask a question". Scientists notice trends i.e. "anecdotal evidence" then design studies to obtain emperical evidence.
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Sure, I don't doubt that active people who eat properly faired better than people who are inactive, overweight or obese and who eat badly. Same could be said with regards to heart disease, diabetes, etc. And cleaning anything that you touch and where you may touch your face, eyes or mouth later, is going to help in preventing any kind of transmissible disease as well as 'spacing yourself out and away from other people'. And when my husband was going to the gym during covid before our Canadian gyms got shut down, he was making a point, as were most patrons, of choosing machines AWAY FROM OTHER PEOPLE. Covering all points.

I would also point out with regards to anecdotal 'evidence', anybody can say whatever suits their agenda if they don't have to provide proof.
 
Inept said:
Proof is always preceded by anecdotal evidence. That is a fact. 👨‍🏫
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So what? Still isn't proof is it? Might only be a coincidental case and the actual research proves something else. And like I said, if you're going to involve yourself in a discussion on something, anything, and all you come with is 'I heard on the internet.....' why should you be believed?
 
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