Against the vaccine? What about polio?
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Tazx
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Clearly you don't. I do, Yale Medical does, more than half on here do...but for some reason the canadian in denial doesn't!No they are just not bothering responding to you any more.
If you don't understand what the word asymptomatic means,so be it.
Paladin1950
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I have never been against vaccines. They're for my own good. I know some people are afraid of needles. I never have been since I have been getting shots since I was a child. I got as many Covid shots and boosters as I was suggested to get, since I work at a nursing home.
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This thread is a lot like the three blind men describing the elephant. We take our understanding of science, medicine and disease and try to justify our own reasoning. This works to a certain extent…but ultimately results in our personal conclusions in being challenged. I have resisted chiming in much because my knowledge and experience is different than most…as is all our collective opinions. .
Paladin1950
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You can't argue with people who claim that the worst health scare in our lifetime that took the lives of over 1 million Americans, and over 6 million people around the world is a hoax. You wonder why are they filled with so much doubt and want to ignore all of the people that were dying. I remember reading about all of the Covid deniers that had died from Covid. I felt no pity for them for spreading all of their lies. I figured that they were so heartless and stupid, that after they died, and found out what they had died from, they probably called it a hoax, and claimed that they were still alive.
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@Paladin1950 I feel your frustration. I lived in an area hit very very hard by covid. I think that the neglect to truly understand who would be most impacted by the disease harmed us. Americans in particular are adverse to divulging information that would of been extremely helpful in understanding who was likely to be impacted.
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The ratio of COVID unvaxxed to vaxxed in the people who died suddenly since the rollout of the COVID vaccines is estimated to be fewer than 1 in 1,000.
Yet 25% of Americans are not vaccinated.
If the COVID vaccine isn’t related to the deaths, then roughly 25% of the people who die suddenly should be unvaccinated.
This isn’t the case. It’s less than 0.1%.
This is statistically impossible to occur unless there is a cause.
One explanation: the vaccine is causing the deaths.
Is there another explanation? Nobody has ever offered an alternative.
In one of those deaths, he was notified that the deceased was not vaccinated with the COVID vaccine
But let’s be conservative and say that there were 10x as many of these and that 1 in 1,000 sudden deaths were unvaccinated.
In the US, 25% of us are not vaccinated with the COVID vaccine.
So in 10,000 deaths, we’d expect to see 2,500 deaths, but we only saw 10 deaths.
That could happen by chance. The probability is really small though. It’s less than 1e-330 which is the limit of Python’s floating point.
It’s so small that even if Mark Crispin was off by three orders of magnitude, and there were 1,000 people who were unvaccinated and died suddenly, it’s still 6.6e-256.
So if the discrepancy of expected vs. observed didn’t happen by chance (which it didn’t), there must be a cause. What is it?
The died suddenly stats
From speaking with each one of the authors, here are the stats I got for the number of unvaccinated vs. the number they have reported of people who “died suddenly”:
Another interesting statistic
Yonatan Moshe Erlichman died of a heart attack on October 12, 2023 while taking a bath.
8 year olds rarely die from heart attacks like this where there is no cause. It’s a fewer than 1 in a million occurrence.
See if you can find a similar case of this happening before the COVID vaccines rolled out. Isn’t it odd that it happened to the national spokesperson for the vaccine in Israel?
Just research one month of the sudden deaths reported on Miller’s or Makis’s Substack in September 2023.
Then determine the number who did not get the COVID vaccine and publish the list.
Or research the first 100 people in Ed Dowd’s book, “Cause Unknown.” What % were not vaccinated of the first 100 names listed?
If you hear of someone who died suddenly, they more than likely died from the COVID vaccine.
That’s what the numbers say.
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Back in February, U.S. Republican Senator Ron Johnson from Wisconsin held a round table discussion titled ‘Federal Health Agencies and the COVID Cartel: What Are They Hiding?’. In attendance at that forum was an internal medicine specialist and medical doctor named Sabine Hazan, who conducts and supervises clinical trials for cutting-edge medical research, including that based on gastroenterology.
Gastroenterologist Dr. Sabine Hazan tested the microbiomes of doctors who volunteered to be tested BEFORE and AFTER getting Covid vaccinated with spike protein prion creating mRNA jabs and discovered that their most important gut bacteria were wiped out within 30 days to almost non-existent. What’s worse is that bifidobacteria remained decimated for 60 days, 90 days, even up to six months.
She then tested newborn babies, whose mothers were injected before their birth with Covid jabs, and the babies had ZERO bifidobacteria (good gut flora) microbes after 90 days and they stayed at zero nine months later. Let that sink in. These newborns have next-to-zero immunity during their first year of life due to the Covid vaccine.
Dr. Hazan also explained the mystery of why babies and young children were not catching Covid, and if they did, they were not at risk of getting a severe case of it or dying. She said that bifidobacteria is present in newborns, but it’s absent in elderly people as just part of the process of ageing. See where this is heading?
It took Dr. Hazan eight months to publish this research paper entitled ‘The lost microbes of Covid-19’. She also wrote about how vitamin C increases bifidobacteria. In conclusion, the loss of bifidobacteria is a catapult for humans contracting, developing and suffering from a whole host of diseases and disorders, most of which would be prevented by simply boosting good gut bacteria with probiotics, eating clean healthy food, and exercising regularly.
Yet 25% of Americans are not vaccinated.
If the COVID vaccine isn’t related to the deaths, then roughly 25% of the people who die suddenly should be unvaccinated.
This isn’t the case. It’s less than 0.1%.
This is statistically impossible to occur unless there is a cause.
One explanation: the vaccine is causing the deaths.
Is there another explanation? Nobody has ever offered an alternative.
Mark Crispin Miller has been tracking “died suddenly” deaths since 2022. He estimates that he has documented over 10,000 such deaths since he started.
In one of those deaths, he was notified that the deceased was not vaccinated with the COVID vaccine
But let’s be conservative and say that there were 10x as many of these and that 1 in 1,000 sudden deaths were unvaccinated.
In the US, 25% of us are not vaccinated with the COVID vaccine.
So in 10,000 deaths, we’d expect to see 2,500 deaths, but we only saw 10 deaths.
That could happen by chance. The probability is really small though. It’s less than 1e-330 which is the limit of Python’s floating point.
It’s so small that even if Mark Crispin was off by three orders of magnitude, and there were 1,000 people who were unvaccinated and died suddenly, it’s still 6.6e-256.
So if the discrepancy of expected vs. observed didn’t happen by chance (which it didn’t), there must be a cause. What is it?
The died suddenly stats
From speaking with each one of the authors, here are the stats I got for the number of unvaccinated vs. the number they have reported of people who “died suddenly”:- William Makis: 0 in 2,000
- Ed Dowd: 1 in 550. Described here.
- Mark Crispin Miller: 1 in 10,000.
Another interesting statistic
Yonatan Moshe Erlichman died of a heart attack on October 12, 2023 while taking a bath.8 year olds rarely die from heart attacks like this where there is no cause. It’s a fewer than 1 in a million occurrence.
See if you can find a similar case of this happening before the COVID vaccines rolled out. Isn’t it odd that it happened to the national spokesperson for the vaccine in Israel?
It’s simple enough to show without doing a lot of work.Just research one month of the sudden deaths reported on Miller’s or Makis’s Substack in September 2023.
Then determine the number who did not get the COVID vaccine and publish the list.
Or research the first 100 people in Ed Dowd’s book, “Cause Unknown.” What % were not vaccinated of the first 100 names listed?
Based on Mark and Ed’s statistics, the COVID vaccines are likely causing more than a thousand-fold rise in the number of sudden deaths.If you hear of someone who died suddenly, they more than likely died from the COVID vaccine.
That’s what the numbers say.
.......
Back in February, U.S. Republican Senator Ron Johnson from Wisconsin held a round table discussion titled ‘Federal Health Agencies and the COVID Cartel: What Are They Hiding?’. In attendance at that forum was an internal medicine specialist and medical doctor named Sabine Hazan, who conducts and supervises clinical trials for cutting-edge medical research, including that based on gastroenterology.
Dr. Sabine Hazan discovered that Covid-19 mRNA gene therapy injections kill 90% of good gut flora called bifidobacteria, catapulting most major diseases and disorders
The key component that makes up 90% of our biological seat of immunity for fighting diseases is KILLED OFF by spike proteins from mRNA jabs that travel to the gut. Anyone who got Covid vaccinated could be catapulting cancer, IBS, autism, dementia and catching Covid or the next pandemic of Bird Flu, Monkeypox, or whatever.Gastroenterologist Dr. Sabine Hazan tested the microbiomes of doctors who volunteered to be tested BEFORE and AFTER getting Covid vaccinated with spike protein prion creating mRNA jabs and discovered that their most important gut bacteria were wiped out within 30 days to almost non-existent. What’s worse is that bifidobacteria remained decimated for 60 days, 90 days, even up to six months.
She then tested newborn babies, whose mothers were injected before their birth with Covid jabs, and the babies had ZERO bifidobacteria (good gut flora) microbes after 90 days and they stayed at zero nine months later. Let that sink in. These newborns have next-to-zero immunity during their first year of life due to the Covid vaccine.
We’re not just talking about autism caused by Covid jabs, but cancer, dementia, neurological disorders, severe allergic reaction and heart complications
The problem is compounded for people who contracted Covid, which means the virus and the mRNA jabs both destroy vital and beneficial gut bacteria. Dr. Hazan said, “I kept collecting stool samples of patients and noticed that patients with severe covid had a certain bacteria that was missing compared to people that were highly exposed to covid, but never got covid. That bacteria is called bifidobacteria. Bifidobacteria is an important and key microbe for immunity. It represents your trillion-dollar industry of probiotics.”Dr. Hazan also explained the mystery of why babies and young children were not catching Covid, and if they did, they were not at risk of getting a severe case of it or dying. She said that bifidobacteria is present in newborns, but it’s absent in elderly people as just part of the process of ageing. See where this is heading?
It took Dr. Hazan eight months to publish this research paper entitled ‘The lost microbes of Covid-19’. She also wrote about how vitamin C increases bifidobacteria. In conclusion, the loss of bifidobacteria is a catapult for humans contracting, developing and suffering from a whole host of diseases and disorders, most of which would be prevented by simply boosting good gut bacteria with probiotics, eating clean healthy food, and exercising regularly.
Tazx
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This would explain why gym owners in New Jersey to California reported that their members that kept going to the gym reported the lowest amount of illness during the so called pandemic.
The new Jersey gym owner at several locations got affidavits from 10000 members in NJ, stating they support the decision, and that none of them ended up in the hospital or obviously died!
He recently had all charges dropped, all fines cancelled, and will be the recipient of a large sum of money from the NJ govt as a result of the lawsuit.
Court ruled it was illegal to force closure of a business.
Zoo culture in LA owned by Bradley Martin stayed open as well. He recently won in court in corruptifornia, had all charges and fines dropped and he is proceeding with a lawsuit. Not a single member at his gym ended up dead or in the hospital.
As I mentioned our gym x-gym stayed open the whole time, we went 6 times a week, and while I dont have statistics, never once heard about someone catching the vid, getting sick or dying. Maybe people got sick, but it wasn't noticed if any.
Since several gyms complied with the so called and illegal closures, x-gym memberships skyrocketed. It ended up getting quite busy. Should have been a covid stew waiting to boil with all those people in a tight close space breathing heavy, talking, sweating, showering etc, but nope. If there was someone no one heard about it.
Exactly what is said above...eat a healthy diet, vitamins, a good mind set, exercise vigorously, and stay away from drugs and medicines. Doesn't anyone wonder why when you take certain drugs for your 10-14 days or whatever, you should or have to do a course of pills that re-balance your gut? I mean its right there for all to see.
The new Jersey gym owner at several locations got affidavits from 10000 members in NJ, stating they support the decision, and that none of them ended up in the hospital or obviously died!
He recently had all charges dropped, all fines cancelled, and will be the recipient of a large sum of money from the NJ govt as a result of the lawsuit.
Court ruled it was illegal to force closure of a business.
Zoo culture in LA owned by Bradley Martin stayed open as well. He recently won in court in corruptifornia, had all charges and fines dropped and he is proceeding with a lawsuit. Not a single member at his gym ended up dead or in the hospital.
As I mentioned our gym x-gym stayed open the whole time, we went 6 times a week, and while I dont have statistics, never once heard about someone catching the vid, getting sick or dying. Maybe people got sick, but it wasn't noticed if any.
Since several gyms complied with the so called and illegal closures, x-gym memberships skyrocketed. It ended up getting quite busy. Should have been a covid stew waiting to boil with all those people in a tight close space breathing heavy, talking, sweating, showering etc, but nope. If there was someone no one heard about it.
Exactly what is said above...eat a healthy diet, vitamins, a good mind set, exercise vigorously, and stay away from drugs and medicines. Doesn't anyone wonder why when you take certain drugs for your 10-14 days or whatever, you should or have to do a course of pills that re-balance your gut? I mean its right there for all to see.
George1959
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It's not so much a problem with vaccines in general. At best they have some value and don't harm. But since there are so many additional substances in it as mercury (for conservation) I became careful. And not always are they tested long enough. The swine flu vaccine Pandemrix which was used in Sweden, caused a lot of cases of narcolepsia in young people. Ant not only there, but in other countries also. For instance it is known in Germany that the daughter of an actor also got narcolepsia after the shot.
For Sweden look here:
Characterization of the Increase in Narcolepsy following the 2009 H1N1 Pandemic in Sweden - PMC
"The number of narcolepsy cases increased markedly from 2009 to 2014 compared to the period before 2009. A particular increase in 2011 among children and teenagers was observed." (from the article)
I got a shot against TBE (tick-borne encephalitis) in the 2000s, which had very nasty side effects. This vaccine was withdrawn shortly after.
But my red line was the introduction of mRNA "vaccines". I know some people who died of such a shot, even a girl of 16 years not far away from my village. She was completely healthy and her mother who is a nurse warned her not to get it. But the girl wanted the shot for the reason to participate in activities with her friends that were forbidden without the shot.
And what about the huge number of young sportspersons (male and female athletes) who died because of myocarditis? If you want me to believe that this has nothing to do with the mRNA shots you'll not be succesful.
Some months ago I had an appointment with a cardiologist, not because of my heart but of my carotid arteries, since my mother and a cousin of mine had to have surgery to remove plaques. Mine were normal for my age, but the cardiologist asked if I was vaccinated. I answered "no" and reminded him of the many cases of myocarditis. He nodded.
For Sweden look here:
Characterization of the Increase in Narcolepsy following the 2009 H1N1 Pandemic in Sweden - PMC
"The number of narcolepsy cases increased markedly from 2009 to 2014 compared to the period before 2009. A particular increase in 2011 among children and teenagers was observed." (from the article)
I got a shot against TBE (tick-borne encephalitis) in the 2000s, which had very nasty side effects. This vaccine was withdrawn shortly after.
But my red line was the introduction of mRNA "vaccines". I know some people who died of such a shot, even a girl of 16 years not far away from my village. She was completely healthy and her mother who is a nurse warned her not to get it. But the girl wanted the shot for the reason to participate in activities with her friends that were forbidden without the shot.
And what about the huge number of young sportspersons (male and female athletes) who died because of myocarditis? If you want me to believe that this has nothing to do with the mRNA shots you'll not be succesful.
Some months ago I had an appointment with a cardiologist, not because of my heart but of my carotid arteries, since my mother and a cousin of mine had to have surgery to remove plaques. Mine were normal for my age, but the cardiologist asked if I was vaccinated. I answered "no" and reminded him of the many cases of myocarditis. He nodded.
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My cousin was loaded with blood clots when he died in 2022 but we don't know for sure if it was from the vaccine and No One persued it
John cycling
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That's because antibiotics wipe out the beneficial flora in the colon, which is 90% of the body's immunity.
Thus they can and do cause a multitude of health problems including deafness, especially in children, high
blood pressure and so on. This page isn't long enough to get into that type of discussion. Personally I consider
antibiotics to be extremely dangerous, especially the modern ones which are quite persistent and hard to get rid of.
Yes and yes.
After they've destroyed all the beneficial bacteria and other flora in the body, it can take a long time for them to
get reestablished, unless everything is done in an especially healthy manner. A few small things would be insufficient.
Personally I feel that diseases are actually disease "conditions" which are caused by either pollution or parasites,
and usually a combination of both of these. Thus the solution is not to bombard the body with more pollution and/or
remove any vital body parts, but rather to avoid & cleanse the body of the poisons and parasites that cause the condition.
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Are you saying that antibiotics aren’t good in the colon? Do they destroy all of the good bacteria, even if you are taking a probiotic? I eat Yogurt (Greek) most everyday, but there are times when I take an antibiotic. Maybe once every 4 or 5 years. I am susceptible to upper respiratory diseases, so as soon as I get a sore throat or anything bronchial, my doctor prescribes Azithromycin for me.
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Yes exactly. Antibiotics are horrible for your good bacteria. Every 4 years or so shouldn't be an issue, but its best to use more natural remedies.
Short- and long-term impacts of azithromycin treatment on the gut microbiota in children: A double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trial - PMC
Some good info on Azithromycin in the link above.
Yes they do affect gut flora a lot. It is quite surprising the damage they do. They essentially kill everything trying to rid the body of what is causing your throat issue. Its because the treatment does not differentiate between good and bad bacteria.
If we ever get an issues, like occasional allergies, we use colloidal silver and manuka honey along with propolis extract. Seems to end everything the same day. But it depends on severity I guess and your condition of course.
How would any of you feel if someone became very ill because of so-called medical advise given on a discussion board. Of course you could always use "caveat emptor" to protect yourself.
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That is a very good question. My doctor wants me to get "the jab" in February. I have read and listened to the stories and have doubts about what to do. Take a chance on living with a mask on, wherever I go and risking contracting the virus and then my death probably or get the jab and get some other terrible health problem.? IDK.
That is a very good question. My doctor wants me to get "the jab" in February. I have read and listened to the stories and have doubts about what to do. Take a chance on living with a mask on, wherever I go and risking contracting the virus and then my death probably or get the jab and get some other terrible health problem.? IDK.
Well, if l give my opinion it would be just another voice from the deep. Even though l'm not exactly well, l'm going with what feels right for me after my experience with the first two and what l've learned about it since then. l have no confidence in the wanna be "experts".posting medical stuff.
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Did l help at all, even a little? I can tell it worries you. I should tell you l'm kind of a fatalist. What will be will be.That is a very good question. My doctor wants me to get "the jab" in February. I have read and listened to the stories and have doubts about what to do. Take a chance on living with a mask on, wherever I go and risking contracting the virus and then my death probably or get the jab and get some other terrible health problem.? IDK.
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I have other health issues which complicate things. I never dreamed I would have such complications. So, your words are truthful, I will take them as more anecdotal info on the issue. When Feb. rolls around, I can't predict what kind of shape I will be in. Probably the doctor will advise me, then I will decide. No worries until then though. It doesn't do anything but futurize, and that isn't real.
Debrah N.
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I don't think anything you said, suggests its not possible to be a carrier even though you don't show symptoms. Your comment only says, you can only know for sure if you are tested a certain way. Which means, you can be a walking Petri dish of disease, even though you feel fine. You just don't know. YOU just don't know.
I just want to clarify. If it sounded like l leave everything to to chance, l really don't.I have other health issues which complicate things. I never dreamed I would have such complications. So, your words are truthful, I will take them as more anecdotal info on the issue. When Feb. rolls around, I can't predict what kind of shape I will be in. Probably the doctor will advise me, then I will decide. No worries until then though. It doesn't do anything but futurize, and that isn't real.
Debrah N.
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Sounds like you're making up your own definition then. Pardon the audacity, but I think I'll stick with what researchers and medical experts are saying about it.
Debrah N.
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I guess both sides then are saying that.
ElCastor
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Good for you! When vaccines and boosters are available I am first in line. Speaking of fear of needles, I have a niece who faints at the sight of a needle. I suspect that many of the antivaxers have the same problem, or at least fear.