Against the vaccine? What about polio?
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The latest word on the subject:
Tucker Carlson: Pfizer needs to be SUED for what they've done to humanity | Redacted News
For all those who are so determined to cast doubt and fear about anything called (oh, the horror!) a "vaccine," I have a question. This is a serious question, not just there for argument's sake.
Has there ever been any history of any official, government-sanctioned vaccine against a terrible disease, where the vaccine caused deaths in numbers sufficient to be a serious factor? I put it that way because there are always unanticipated allergic reactions to any medical treatment, some of them with tragic consequences. But did the Salk and Sabin vaccines against polio really cause death or horrible medical consequences? I remember those vaccines being hailed as a blessing. During the polio epidemic in the late 40's parents were living in terror that their children would get it. I remember one girl in my class dying of it, an otherwise healthy kid who died within days.
Looking at the statistics and the probability, why this fear of medical advances that have saved so many lives? And in the case of polio, saved millions from the crippling effects of that horrendous disease? All so we can continue bashing big pharma?
I have no dog in this race; I own no pharmaceutical stock. But if my tax dollars are going anyplace, I'd rather see them going into lifesaving medical research than a lot of the meaningless junk that we happily shell out big bucks for.
Has there ever been any history of any official, government-sanctioned vaccine against a terrible disease, where the vaccine caused deaths in numbers sufficient to be a serious factor? I put it that way because there are always unanticipated allergic reactions to any medical treatment, some of them with tragic consequences. But did the Salk and Sabin vaccines against polio really cause death or horrible medical consequences? I remember those vaccines being hailed as a blessing. During the polio epidemic in the late 40's parents were living in terror that their children would get it. I remember one girl in my class dying of it, an otherwise healthy kid who died within days.
Looking at the statistics and the probability, why this fear of medical advances that have saved so many lives? And in the case of polio, saved millions from the crippling effects of that horrendous disease? All so we can continue bashing big pharma?
I have no dog in this race; I own no pharmaceutical stock. But if my tax dollars are going anyplace, I'd rather see them going into lifesaving medical research than a lot of the meaningless junk that we happily shell out big bucks for.
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Chemical warfare might be the answer to your question. Or you can try reading up on Project MKUltra and the Tuskeegee Experiment. I also suggest you take note of your own OP referrence to "anything called a vaccine". If that's too daunting for a starter you might like to begin with studying "placebos" and work your way up from there.
Inept, it's probably a waste of time to try to use logic with you (or maybe you're just trolling and don't believe the nonsense any more than I do) but I'll answer anyway.
Yes, I know the difference between a real medication and a placebo. If anyone tried giving kids placebos in that polio epidemic, they would deserve to be thrown in jail, but I never heard of that even happening. More boogy-man scare stories. Bringing up a couple of criminal abuses of medications, as you do, as a reason to be against all of them is like refusing to ever get any medical help because some doctors are bad doctors. Which may be what you do.
Muskrat, thanks for the good sense.
Yes, I know the difference between a real medication and a placebo. If anyone tried giving kids placebos in that polio epidemic, they would deserve to be thrown in jail, but I never heard of that even happening. More boogy-man scare stories. Bringing up a couple of criminal abuses of medications, as you do, as a reason to be against all of them is like refusing to ever get any medical help because some doctors are bad doctors. Which may be what you do.
Muskrat, thanks for the good sense.
It's up to you.
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The widespread claim that Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) "vaccines" saved millions of lies is officially debunked.
Carl Heneghan, head of the Center for Evidence-based Medicine in Oxford, along with Tom Jefferson wrote a piece for The Spectator (United Kingdom) that outlines the "implausible" findings of the modeling study that is widely referenced as proof that COVID jabs saved upwards of 12 million people.
It was the BBC that first made the claim that AstraZeneca and Pfizer had together developed "medicines" that saved the lives of millions of people, citing the findings of a "disease forecasting company" called Airfinity. Similar claims were made here in the United States about Operation Warp Speed.
A study out of Imperial College London calculated that COVID jabs saved 20 million lives between December 2020 and December 2021, the assumption – a false one, just to be clear – being that the jabs conferred protection against COVID infection.
Heneghan and Jefferson downloaded and evaluated data from GitHub to examine the country-specific estimates procured in order to assess whether or not they are realistic. They looked at figures for the UK, Italy and the United States.
It turns out that the figures claimed as evidence that COVID jabs worked are bunk.
"Sadly, many journalists don't check their numbers or facts: many of the assumptions in the model are incorrect, and the estimated number of deaths averted by vaccines is implausible," Heneghan and Jefferson write.
"This isn't surprising. As in medicine, models do not fit anywhere in the pathway for establishing effectiveness. Regulators don't use them for approval, and decision-makers like the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence use economic models with reliable estimates of effect and credible costs."
(Related: Remember when it came out that Oxford's COVID injection sterilizes upwards of 70 percent of all recipients?)
Trials, not models, should be used to create public health interventions
Heneghan and Jefferson are humble with their findings, calling themselves "two old geezers" who simply decided to take a closer look at the data backing the claims. What they found is all too common in today's world: wild assumptions based on flawed science.
"Models simply should not be used," they say. "Large, well-designed, well-reported, and data-accessible trials should be used for global public health interventions. So, why are we using models to justify decisions?"
This is a good question and one that Dr. Aseem Malhotra echoed on X / Twitter in pointing out these latest revelations.
"Classic journalism is dead," wrote someone on social media about all this. "Activism is the new legacy media."
Others simply could not fathom how Imperial College London managed to put together a study based on the idea that COVID jabs stop infection and transmission, which they admittedly do not do.
"Yet the media keeps parroting this 'saved millions of lives' slogan," one pointed out about the ridiculousness of all this.
"Even the assumption that vaccines against respiratory viruses work is wrong and has always been," added another to the conversation. "Sadly, very few doctors know this."
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"Can anyone send me the evidence of a single life ever having been saved by a vaccine?" asked another. "Go on, just one. It's OK, I know you can't."
Carl Heneghan, head of the Center for Evidence-based Medicine in Oxford, along with Tom Jefferson wrote a piece for The Spectator (United Kingdom) that outlines the "implausible" findings of the modeling study that is widely referenced as proof that COVID jabs saved upwards of 12 million people.
It was the BBC that first made the claim that AstraZeneca and Pfizer had together developed "medicines" that saved the lives of millions of people, citing the findings of a "disease forecasting company" called Airfinity. Similar claims were made here in the United States about Operation Warp Speed.
A study out of Imperial College London calculated that COVID jabs saved 20 million lives between December 2020 and December 2021, the assumption – a false one, just to be clear – being that the jabs conferred protection against COVID infection.
Heneghan and Jefferson downloaded and evaluated data from GitHub to examine the country-specific estimates procured in order to assess whether or not they are realistic. They looked at figures for the UK, Italy and the United States.
It turns out that the figures claimed as evidence that COVID jabs worked are bunk.
"Sadly, many journalists don't check their numbers or facts: many of the assumptions in the model are incorrect, and the estimated number of deaths averted by vaccines is implausible," Heneghan and Jefferson write.
"This isn't surprising. As in medicine, models do not fit anywhere in the pathway for establishing effectiveness. Regulators don't use them for approval, and decision-makers like the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence use economic models with reliable estimates of effect and credible costs."
(Related: Remember when it came out that Oxford's COVID injection sterilizes upwards of 70 percent of all recipients?)
Trials, not models, should be used to create public health interventions
Heneghan and Jefferson are humble with their findings, calling themselves "two old geezers" who simply decided to take a closer look at the data backing the claims. What they found is all too common in today's world: wild assumptions based on flawed science.
"Models simply should not be used," they say. "Large, well-designed, well-reported, and data-accessible trials should be used for global public health interventions. So, why are we using models to justify decisions?"
This is a good question and one that Dr. Aseem Malhotra echoed on X / Twitter in pointing out these latest revelations.
"Classic journalism is dead," wrote someone on social media about all this. "Activism is the new legacy media."
Others simply could not fathom how Imperial College London managed to put together a study based on the idea that COVID jabs stop infection and transmission, which they admittedly do not do.
"Yet the media keeps parroting this 'saved millions of lives' slogan," one pointed out about the ridiculousness of all this.
"Even the assumption that vaccines against respiratory viruses work is wrong and has always been," added another to the conversation. "Sadly, very few doctors know this."
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"Can anyone send me the evidence of a single life ever having been saved by a vaccine?" asked another. "Go on, just one. It's OK, I know you can't."
Muster up some logic and we'll see.
Your insinuation is an illogical one. Try to use logic instead.
papa tiger
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That looks like the scar from the scrape from the first go around of the Small Pox inoculations. I have one too and remember getting it.
It was burning & painful for a couple of weeks. Doc said, "do not touch that thing" Can you remember him saying it to you? No other
stab has ever caused a large scar on my arss or shoulder. Most likely a lil red around the site due to immune system fighting to understand the stuff in there.
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The Deception of Virology & Vaccines | Why Coronavirus Is Not Contagious
This post intends to go to the heart of virology and vaccination itself and what vaccination is propped up by – the entirety of virology and vaccine science is predicated on one thing—that viruses are infectious agents that cause disease.Without this theory, vaccines would not be ‘effective’ or ‘work’ in the minds of the people.
Without the virus theory, vaccines would crumble like a house of cards.
This article will show the pseudoscience behind the theories that prop up virology and the vast problems with it.
Viruses Are Not Living Organisms
Firstly, viruses are not living organisms or living microbes.They do not have a respiratory system, nor do they have a nucleus or digestive system.
Viruses are not alive and viruses are not contagious.
The fear behind Coronavirus, for instance, is wholly unwarranted.
Forget everything you think you know about viruses and bacteria. You have been lied to.
The science of virology is based upon the study of viruses. However, no real footage of viral activity exists (except for a recently released (2018) short footage of an HIV virus which shows merely 20% of the virus theory process). Such footage is merely 3D animation and models.
Scientific Encyclopedia states viruses have been obtained for experimentation by means of extremely powerful centrifuges which must be specially built.
Viruses are so small that they average around 0.1 microns in size for a typical virus.
Observation Of Viruses Is Inherently Flawed
Viruses are observed in cell cultures/petri-dish environments.Cell cultures are grown in controlled conditions outside their natural environment, wherein cells are artificially kept alive by fluids that are toxic and do damage to cellular activity.
In such a sterile environment, cells cannot utilize the full range of their normal cleansing methods as they would in the human body.
Those processes are:
Phagocytosis (and all of its processes)BacterialFungalParasiticalViral (virus)
In the processes of phagocytosis, cellular debris and dead and dying tissue are absorbed and discarded for elimination out of the body.
It is bacteria that first and foremost carry out this process in large part—mainly as scavengers.
Fungus and parasites are called upon as needed in special cases, and in this process, small amounts of viruses may be utilized to accompany all other processes.
All of these processes are alive, but viruses are not alive.
In such an artificial environment wherein cells are kept alive but not healthy by serums, cells will degenerate, and their viral janitors will become prominent.
Viruses do not multiply on their own. When added to fertile petri-dishes that sustain cellular life, no additional viral protein structures appear.
Only when cells are added is there multiplication of viral protein structures. However, this is because petri-dishes are not the proper or healthy environment for cells, and so viral waste occurs.
This is because cells must manufacture viruses to cleanse themselves in such a toxic environment since they do not have access to the full range of their cleansing processes as would occur in the body. I will show why—
Note: Viruses are necessary to dissolve dead and dying tissue when tissue is so toxic that living microbes cannot feed upon and eliminate those tissues, waste, and cellular debris without being poisoned to death.
When Would Viral Activity Become Prominent?
As stated, viruses may accompany these processes in small amounts. However, viruses will only become prominent when all these other processes have been largely killed due to:Environmental toxicityPollutionChemical inundationPoor air qualityPoor water qualityPoor food qualityNutritional deficienciesWrong combination or choice of foodsMedical treatment, such as antibiotics and medications
When a body has a high degree of toxicity, bacteria feeding upon that toxic dead matter and tissue will be poisoned to death.
When the body is at such a point of systemic toxicity, where bacterial levels and all living microbes in the body have been diminished or killed due to the above reasons, the body will call upon the help of viruses to help cleanse itself.
When the body cannot utilize milder methods, such as a cold (usually bacterial), it will utilize the help of non-living protein solvents which are known as viruses. I will show why this is the only logical answer.
Viruses help consume and eliminate substances into small particles that can then be expelled via mucous membranes, out through the skin, or through the intestinal tract.
Cells produce viruses when their tissues are so toxic that phagocytes, parasites, bacteria, and fungi cannot help cleanse, repair and regenerate their tissues and fluids.
Science states, incorrectly without proof, that viruses originate outside the body, then ‘hijack’ the RNA or DNA of the cell, and then replicate whilst attacking cells indiscriminately.
If this were true, viruses would replicate endlessly, eventually attacking all healthy cells, but they do not.
We know that antibodies, a type of white blood cell, regulates the virus.
There exists no video evidence of viruses hijacking cells, except for 3D renders, and animations based on theory.
The True Creation of Viruses (simplistic view)
Science falsely claims that viruses replicate themselves. In reality, it is the cell itself that is producing the virus.Notice how viruses are manufactured by a healthy cell but do not destroy it.
RNA and/or DNA is given by the host cell to dissolve specific substances within the body. If this were not the case, the virus would destroy the cell which created it, but it does not.
The virus is ejected, damaging part of the cell, but not destroying it completely. The cell is then able to repair itself in time.
Cells conspire as one unit to cleanse themselves and their surroundings so that new cellular activity can thrive.
Large amounts of viral activity are present when the body is unable to use milder living microbial detoxification methods to cleanse itself due to systemic toxicity of tissues that poison living microbes.
Steps for Creation of a Virus
Viral proteins part of the genome of the living body existing in every cell which determines what type of proteins will be created by a cell is called into action.Viral proteins existing in the cell enter the nucleus of the cell. Viruses are manufactured in their whole form within the cell, and sequenced/encoded via RNA/DNA host directives.
The virus leaves the nucleus and is housed in the cell until it leaves the cell.
The virus is ejected by the cell, damaging a part of the cell, but not destroying it.
Viruses change every 72 hours.
Virus replication continues and every 72 hours the first strain is exhausted and an entirely new set of viruses is then manufactured by cells to continue the job of the previous, until the process is complete.
How Viruses are Manufactured | The True Processes of the Virus
Viruses do not infect healthy stable cells. They dissolve dead and decaying cells and tissue, dissolving them so that new cellular activity can thrive.A good analogy:
Flies appear on dead matter but are not the cause of the dead matter. They are scavengers that break down dead matter. In this way, viruses and bacteria operate in the same exact manner within the body. Without scavengers on Earth to clean up waste, Earth’s air would become toxic. The same processes are carried out in the body on a microscopic macro level.
Science states the opposite of what reality dictates to us through our own observation of nature. This is impossible because our bodies are microcosms for the way nature operates outside our bodies. Assuming the opposite of this goes against our observable nature and is foolish.
As stated, when the normal janitorial functions of the body have been largely diminished and killed due to systemic toxicity, cells can no longer maintain themselves. Red blood cells come together as a whole unit to save themselves and conspire to cleanse themselves by manufacturing solvent protein constructs (virus) that disassemble and break down dead and dying cells, cellular waste, tissue, and foreign debris.
Cells manufacture viruses in their whole form cellularly. In this process, viruses are manufactured directly within the cell using pre-existing viral protein in the cell and genome, and are embedded/encoded with RNA and/or DNA by the host cell.
The cell ejects the virus, which is then regulated by white blood cells through that encoding (antibodies), which oversee the processes of the virus. This allows the viral activity to be controlled and regulated properly.
These two functions are united as one process, and they do not act separately. Once the cell ejects this virus, the cell is partially damaged but is not destroyed. The viruses, which are many, consume and dissolve dead, dying and foreign tissue, debris, unhealthy cells, and cellular waste.
This process takes time depending on the toxicity involved. The effects of their elimination are the symptoms experienced in cold or flu. Viruses break these substances down into tiny particles that can then be expelled via mucous, skin, and bowels.
When the process is complete, the body becomes stronger, so long as that person does not continue to toxify his or her body further. If he or she does, such extreme detoxifications will always occur.
Viral Facts
Viruses cannot enter through the skin or eyes. Such vectors do not work because the mucus membranes and the immune system discard small amounts of foreign proteins such as viruses.Viruses cannot enter through wounds because we bleed outwardly, not inwardly.
Viruses do not ‘exist’ outside of petri-dish solutions or a living body.
Viruses cannot function without a host cell that manufactures them and encodes them, and viruses cannot replicate without a host cell.
Viruses do not ‘infect’ or ‘invade’ cells. They are not alive to do so in the first place.
Viruses almost never dissolve living tissue, unless in specific circumstances such as polio and degenerative nervous system diseases where metal toxicity is present.
Viruses’ primary function is to dissolve dead matter.
Cells produce different viral strains depending on the condition of the tissue involved.
There are 320,000 viral strains inherent to the human body, and each cell contains the viral protein makeup to manufacture each strain when the body calls for it.
Viruses are sequenced/encoded by blood cells via RNA/DNA to break down specific dead and dying tissue and waste.
Viruses are very specific protein structures.
Coughing, sneezing, and spitting is not a vector for the transmission of viruses. Saliva and mucus membranes break down any such particles.
Skin is not a vector either because viruses cannot cross dead skin layers.
Viruses are a result of internal toxicity caused by the environment.
Viruses are cyclical in animals.
Viruses feed upon waste products in the blood and tissue.
The only way to get a virus outside of natural means is via direct injection (vaccine) or blood transfusions of a patient who has a virus. However, in such cases, the body only analyzes it as foreign tissue that must be eliminated.
Since the virus did not originate within the bodily host, that body does not know the time and place that the virus will be active nor does it have the key to decode it (RNA or DNA encoded by the cell) and cannot find the time of its activity.
As such, it is analyzed as a foreign substance that must be eliminated. Protein solvents (viruses) are manufactured of varying strengths to discard this waste if living microbes cannot eliminate it.
Throughout the year, upon season and climatic/temperature changes, the body will dump mass amounts of toxins into the blood for removal. Some of these toxins are so toxic in nature, such as mercury, formaldehyde, and other chemical byproducts, that living microbes cannot feed upon and eliminate them without dying.
Non-living proteins are then manufactured by each cell in the corresponding location of the body where this cleansing is necessary. Those toxic substances are disassembled and broken down by viruses so that the body can eliminate them, restoring homeostasis.
The only way viruses can be used as biological weapons is via injection, period. It is possible that such manmade viral strains are included in regular existing vaccines, and this should not be ruled out as a possibility, but as previously stated, viral strains from outside the body are not recognized.
However, man-made substances that are injected can be designed to provoke extreme reactions in humans via various levels of tissue sterilization and adjuvants.
Viruses cannot cross-species ie; from animal to mankind. It is impossible for humans to develop animal flus—A. Because viruses are not contagious, and, B. Because animal RNA/DNA is not compatible with human RNA/DNA.
The only way animal tissue can be observed in the blood is through injection of animal tissues, which make their way to the blood, bypassing the digestive tract. Only then will swine tissue, or bird tissue, or any such animal tissue appear in the body.
When animal meat is consumed by a human, it is converted into human tissue. Human cells cannot produce animal cells or viruses. If we develop viruses, they are human viruses. Even if animal viruses ‘hijacked’ human cells, human cells cannot possibly produce animal viruses
Coronavirus is a respiratory virus manufactured by cells in the lungs and respiratory areas to cleanse themselves of systemic toxicity.
Such a cold virus occurs and functions in the following way:
Chemically toxic substances from the air are breathed into the lungs and respiratory system>Toxic particles land onto the surface of the lungs and the fluid-filled sacs in the lungs (alveoli) where they cannot be dislodged or dissolved by living microbes because of their toxicity and nature>Specific non-living protein solvent structures (virus) are then manufactured by cells in the respiratory system to disassemble and break down these substances in the lungs>Mild flu-like symptoms usually result, including coughing and fever, which initiates the cleansing and healing process.
Coughing brings blood and nutrients to the respiratory system. The symptoms associated with their removal are what occurs during SARS. Such airborne toxic substances are caused by burning plastics, formaldehyde, and factory tainted air, which encompasses a wide array of very toxic byproducts.
Older individuals with already weakened immune systems are prone to more advanced respiratory virus detoxifications and will account for most deaths. This illness may crop up in millions due to dense populations like in China breathing in such air on a daily basis. This does not mean it is contagious—it’s not.
The 4 Main Steps For Coronavirus Creation
1. Chemically toxic substances from the air are breathed into the lungs and respiratory system.2. Toxic particles land onto the surface of the lungs and the fluid-filled sacs in the lungs (alveoli), where they cannot be dislodged or dissolved by living microbes because of their toxicity and nature.
3. Specific non-living protein solvent structures (virus) are then manufactured by cells in the respiratory system to disassemble and break down these substances in the lungs.
4. Mild flu-like symptoms usually result, including coughing and fever, which initiate the cleansing and healing process.
Why Viruses Arise In The Body
As previously stated, the processes of phagocytosis, fungal, parasitical, and bacterial, which are all living microbes, are responsible for consuming and eliminating dead cells, cellular waste, and foreign debris. But when tissue is so toxic that those living microbes cannot feed upon and eliminate those substances without being poisoned to death, cells will conspire to cleanse themselves by manufacturing specific non-living solvents know as viruses, which break down and disassemble those substances into particles to be expelled out through the skin, mucus, and bowels.Viruses leave the cell, damaging only a part of the cell, but not destroying it. Once out of the cell, they are regulated by white blood cell antibodies to dissolve specific tissues and debris necessary to restore relative homeostasis.
Viruses do not destroy the cell wherein they are replicated, yet science states they infect other cells and DO destroy other cells indiscriminately, which has no proof and makes no logical sense. Such a theory is obviously untrue because then viruses would attack every living cell without a cause, killing the body every time, but this does not happen. Viruses only dissolve dead and dying waste in almost all circumstances.
The only time a virus would appear to attack living tissue is when metals are embedded in the tissue, such as polio cases, where viruses have to get into spinal column areas and cleanse tissue. Since metal is hard to remove from the body, it is natural for viruses to break down living tissue to remove those metals, which gives the illusion that the virus is somehow working against the body. In reality, the virus is attempting to heal the systemic toxicity of the body and reverse it.
Conclusion
There is no other explanation for how the human body maintains itself. It is the only logical answer. The truth has been hidden by science for almost 200 years, yet was revealed long ago in the 1800s by scientists such as Antoine Béchamp, who documented in his own experiments that viruses are terrain dependent, non-living agents that break down waste matter, that they come from within, not from without.Viruses are nothing more than proteins that cleanse. The same is true about cancer. Cancer is another way the body tries to heal itself, by cocooning dead cells in a tumor in which the body is incapable of removing properly so that it can dissolve and cleanse those cells from the body at a later time. The body is miraculous and finds ways to heal no matter the circumstances. It has ways of short-circuiting and short-cutting pathways in times of trouble.
It is sad that modern science has led so many astray in their thinking with regard to their own bodies and how it functions creating nothing but fear and panic, whilst reaping massive amounts of money for those in power as a result. Such fear places a distrust in our own bodies, our neighbors and nature itself, making it appear as if we are powerless in the face of disease; that it is beyond our control and only the medical establishment can save us from ourselves.
How might those in power benefit from such chaos? Explore that thought. This confusion has led to the coronavirus ‘outbreak’ and the resulting fear and chaos which surrounds this manufactured and blown out of proportion event.
This virus is obviously being used to institute police state style laws and measures around the world and these will only increase if the majority do not wake up to the lies surrounding the nature of viruses and disease.
I don't remember.
I must have been about 10 years old.
Here too. I had a whole barrage of injections when I went into the Army and quite a few more while travelling around the world but I have no scar from any of them. That one in my should is the only scar I have from inoculations or whatever they are called.
Teacher Terry
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Smallpox and polio vaccines were some of the best vaccines ever. So many people died or were disabled including a friend of mine because his dad didn’t believe in the polio vaccine.
If you look at family trees from the 1800’s through early 1900’s you find many families where half their babies died before one year of age. Not having vaccines contributed as did antibiotics not being invented yet.
Penicillin saved my dad’s life because he had double pneumonia in his 20’s. My mom said it had recently come on the market so I’m guessing around the late 1940’s. I haven’t looked up the exact date.
Personally I pick and choose what to take. I never get the flu shot and I only got the first 3 covid shots. If Covid mutated back into a virus that was killing people in large numbers again I would probably get it again. It’s all risk versus benefit. Trying to convince an anti vaxer that some vaccines are wonderful is impossible so it would be better to bang your head against the wall instead
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If you look at family trees from the 1800’s through early 1900’s you find many families where half their babies died before one year of age. Not having vaccines contributed as did antibiotics not being invented yet.
Penicillin saved my dad’s life because he had double pneumonia in his 20’s. My mom said it had recently come on the market so I’m guessing around the late 1940’s. I haven’t looked up the exact date.
Personally I pick and choose what to take. I never get the flu shot and I only got the first 3 covid shots. If Covid mutated back into a virus that was killing people in large numbers again I would probably get it again. It’s all risk versus benefit. Trying to convince an anti vaxer that some vaccines are wonderful is impossible so it would be better to bang your head against the wall instead
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Well, I hate to disagree with you, but I have to!Smallpox and polio vaccines were some of the best vaccines ever. So many people died or were disabled including a friend of mine because his dad didn’t believe in the polio vaccine.
If you look at family trees from the 1800’s through early 1900’s you find many families where half their babies died before one year of age. Not having vaccines contributed as did antibiotics not being invented yet.
Penicillin saved my dad’s life because he had double pneumonia in his 20’s. My mom said it had recently come on the market so I’m guessing around the late 1940’s. I haven’t looked up the exact date.
Personally I pick and choose what to take. I never get the flu shot and I only got the first 3 covid shots. If Covid mutated back into a virus that was killing people in large numbers again I would probably get it again. It’s all risk versus benefit. Trying to convince an anti vaxer that some vaccines are wonderful is impossible so it would be better to bang your head against the wall instead
1800's -Approx 400 births per 1000, resulted in death to to sickness and disease. 1900 -210 deaths per 1000. Reason according to doctors...simple cleanliness. No magical medicine, no vaccines.
1900-1970 it dropped to 29 per 1000. Great improvements.
What do you think is happening to the trend now? Yep if you said increasing you were right. It has now doubled since 1980. Now what may you ask is the thing that changed in 1980? Oh childhood vaccines became the norm. Funny how in the 90's it jumped a bit more. 2000 a bit more, and now the US is one of the worst.
The United States has a concerning record of childhood death statistics. Despite being a developed country, the US ranks poorly in terms of child mortality rates compared to other wealthy nations.
The US has the highest growing rate of childhood deaths among similarly large and wealthy nations. It has been consistently growing since about mid 80's-NCBI NIH statistical report.
What occured since 1980? Childhood vaccines in 1980 were (depending on where you look) anywhere from 2-5. Now its well over 50 recommendations. There is a chart that shows each decade that added more and more shots for kids.
So if you want to say that medical improvements caused childhood deaths to drop...yes I agree. Better understanding of cleanliness, sanitation, maybe nutrition, medicines, etc. But then what has changed since 1980? We surely have better sanitation, better knowledge of medicine, better medicines, better facilities....so....the only thing that really has dramatically changed is the sheer insane amount of vaccines. Cause and effect, correlation, you name it. Don't be fooled by the garbage that vaccines saved anything.
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And medical malpractice-deaths by doctor are the number 1 cause of death in the us. According to stats. So you want to eliminate unreasonable deaths, get rid of poor doctors.
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Also, I am not anti vax. I am anti lies. If a vax works, good. But recent US senate hearings recently released is that NONE of the c-19 vaxes were ever tested for safety. So what you took was an experiment. If you dont believe me, look it up. There was no safety testing. Emergency use precludes the testing phase. You took part in a trial. It is not officially called a vaccine under US law. Nor is it here in EU. It was an experiment plain and simple.Smallpox and polio vaccines were some of the best vaccines ever. So many people died or were disabled including a friend of mine because his dad didn’t believe in the polio vaccine.
If you look at family trees from the 1800’s through early 1900’s you find many families where half their babies died before one year of age. Not having vaccines contributed as did antibiotics not being invented yet.
Penicillin saved my dad’s life because he had double pneumonia in his 20’s. My mom said it had recently come on the market so I’m guessing around the late 1940’s. I haven’t looked up the exact date.
Personally I pick and choose what to take. I never get the flu shot and I only got the first 3 covid shots. If Covid mutated back into a virus that was killing people in large numbers again I would probably get it again. It’s all risk versus benefit. Trying to convince an anti vaxer that some vaccines are wonderful is impossible so it would be better to bang your head against the wall instead
Just wait until more information comes out and you will see all who the vax were duped.
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Yeah safe and effective! Lol! Not on your life was it ever safe and never effective.
A Systematic Review Of Autopsy Findings In Deaths After COVID-19 Vaccination - Science, Public Health Policy and the Law
A Systematic Review Of Autopsy Findings In Deaths After COVID-19 Vaccination - Science, Public Health Policy and the Law
Tazx
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Notice of extreme concern regarding the safety of COVID-19 modified mRNA vaccines.
On 25th November an international group of politicians and leading medical and other professionals wrote to the heads of state of 10 European countries (Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Greenland, Iceland, Latvia, Lithuania, Norway, Sweden, and the United Kingdom) calling for a suspension of all modified mRNA vaccines citing serious health concerns.The call builds upon a similar initiative in Australia brought by Mr. Russell Broadbent MP, and is supported by a scientific lay summary citing that:
- COVID-19 modified mRNA vaccines have resulted in unprecedented levels of side effects including death. Reproducible analyses of public data shows that it was a lottery as to which batch a person received and the side effects they experienced.
- Vaccines were never tested for their ability to block transmission. Hence, medical product regulators, as well as government agencies, misled the public when coercing the acceptance of these products.
- Multiple independent analyses now show that modified mRNA vaccines contain variable and unprecedented levels of residual DNA, raising extreme concerns for risks to human health and the potential for genetic damage.
- An immediate halt to the use of modified mRNA vaccines.
- An independent and transparent investigation into their approval and use.
- Scientific evidence that shows that there is no risk of damage to human DNA.
- What is required to set up an independent and transparent forensic inquiry into the regulatory processes leading to the approval of modified mRNA vaccines?
- Is there anything that prevents the initiation and prioritization of research into potential links between modified mRNA vaccines and cancer, infertility, or other chronic diseases?
https://northgroup.info/pdfs/NORTH_Group_Letter-2024-11-25.pdf
Tazx
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dilettante
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There's not much point.
The thread was a thinly-veiled attempt by the cud chewers to sneak in political views again. A trap. It may as well have been titled: "Are you an obedient human pinchushion, or are you still beating your wife?"
When they parrot "Follow the science" they are really saying "Obey our overlords."
The thread was a thinly-veiled attempt by the cud chewers to sneak in political views again. A trap. It may as well have been titled: "Are you an obedient human pinchushion, or are you still beating your wife?"
When they parrot "Follow the science" they are really saying "Obey our overlords."
papa tiger
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The point is, is it a good thing to get vaccinated with a new Stab or wait a bit for it to get actually perfected. I would think the number of Sick in an area would be a great deciding factor for the average person. I do believe Pfizer is a great place to center on for the healthy. My experience only, & the reason I believe the others are junk.
Maybe someone coughing / sneezing on you is a deciding factor an obvious reason you get sick. Wearing eye protection is the wisest thing you can do.
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One's big Pearly's are bug attractors all day everywhere you move. Like sponges, why not talk about that ?
Maybe someone coughing / sneezing on you is a deciding factor an obvious reason you get sick. Wearing eye protection is the wisest thing you can do.
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One's big Pearly's are bug attractors all day everywhere you move. Like sponges, why not talk about that ?
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Warrigal
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I know that this thread is about vaccines but it has just occurred to me that public health is about much more than that.
For example, the building of the underground system of sewers of London improved the general health of the citizens, especially the poor and working classes. I'm rather certain that there would have been opposition to the endeavour based on the expense and a lack of confidence that it would have any effect.
In Australia when I was a child, every public school child received 1/3 of a pint of fresh milk to drink at morning recess. It wasn't fresh out of refrigeration, having been exposed to the heat of the sun since delivery. I always drank mine but some other children refused. This measure was aimed at preventing rickets, which was not all that uncommon at the time. I probably didn't need it because, until in my mid-teens, milk was all I drank with my meals. To this day my bone density is good although my cartilage has tended to wear out.
When TB was rife in Australia, my grandfather, who apparently had been infected as a young man, became sick with it once more. All of his close relatives were required to have a skin test for TB. Those that tested positive were required to have a chest Xray and those that were negative, mostly his grandchildren, were offered innocculation. All of us were required to report regularly to the free TB clinic for ongoing monitoring. Mobile vans moved throughout the suburbs offering free chest Xrays.
The outcome of these measures, plus a special hospital that concentrated just on TB patients, was that TB is now eradicated in Australia and my grandfather was rendered non-infectious within weeks. Research based mass action is not always pleasant but like it or not, it is the most effective approach when facing a pandemic that is going to kill a lot of people.
For example, the building of the underground system of sewers of London improved the general health of the citizens, especially the poor and working classes. I'm rather certain that there would have been opposition to the endeavour based on the expense and a lack of confidence that it would have any effect.
In Australia when I was a child, every public school child received 1/3 of a pint of fresh milk to drink at morning recess. It wasn't fresh out of refrigeration, having been exposed to the heat of the sun since delivery. I always drank mine but some other children refused. This measure was aimed at preventing rickets, which was not all that uncommon at the time. I probably didn't need it because, until in my mid-teens, milk was all I drank with my meals. To this day my bone density is good although my cartilage has tended to wear out.
When TB was rife in Australia, my grandfather, who apparently had been infected as a young man, became sick with it once more. All of his close relatives were required to have a skin test for TB. Those that tested positive were required to have a chest Xray and those that were negative, mostly his grandchildren, were offered innocculation. All of us were required to report regularly to the free TB clinic for ongoing monitoring. Mobile vans moved throughout the suburbs offering free chest Xrays.
The outcome of these measures, plus a special hospital that concentrated just on TB patients, was that TB is now eradicated in Australia and my grandfather was rendered non-infectious within weeks. Research based mass action is not always pleasant but like it or not, it is the most effective approach when facing a pandemic that is going to kill a lot of people.
HermitHogan
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The risk is minimal. More people were hospitalized with covid over the past year than with the flu, so it's still risky to get covid if you're not vaccinated. Granted, there have been some severe reactions to the vaccine, but it comes down to only a few per million, so the risks are pretty low.Smallpox and polio vaccines were some of the best vaccines ever. So many people died or were disabled including a friend of mine because his dad didn’t believe in the polio vaccine.
If you look at family trees from the 1800’s through early 1900’s you find many families where half their babies died before one year of age. Not having vaccines contributed as did antibiotics not being invented yet.
Penicillin saved my dad’s life because he had double pneumonia in his 20’s. My mom said it had recently come on the market so I’m guessing around the late 1940’s. I haven’t looked up the exact date.
Personally I pick and choose what to take. I never get the flu shot and I only got the first 3 covid shots. If Covid mutated back into a virus that was killing people in large numbers again I would probably get it again. It’s all risk versus benefit. Trying to convince an anti vaxer that some vaccines are wonderful is impossible so it would be better to bang your head against the wall instead
Anaphylaxis: A severe allergic reaction occurring at a rate of approximately 2.5 cases per million doses administered.
Myocarditis and Pericarditis: Inflammation of the heart muscle or the surrounding lining, primarily observed in males aged 16 to 29, with an incidence of about 10 cases per 100,000 vaccine recipients. This condition can be effectively treated with no long term side effects.
Warrigal
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Bless you, @HermitHogan