MACKTEXAS
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Lara, I must be one who is just not getting it. Is abortion okay if a state allows it?
[This is not a post against women's rights or the right to choose.]
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Many Women Will Never See Justice in This Lifetime
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[This is not a post against women's rights or the right to choose.]
My apologies for mis-gendering you. I use my phone for this site so I didn't notice your avatar.What on earth makes you think I'm a bloke? I'm all girl, kiddo.
I think that it was your name which made me presume that you were male, additionally the tone of your posts tricked me my mistake.
Funnily enough my username tricked another poster into thinking that I was a woman...
Much more fair to the very wealthy.
Are people still registering for the draft? It ended in 1975 for the U.S.
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all that can afford it.""I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"
LOL.How’s that? Tell those kids the truth, darn it. Don’t let them be lied to like we were.
CallMeKate
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Absolutely. 18 year old males must register... that's never changed.
The draft ended in the 70s but not the need to register.
Lara
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To answer your question, "Is abortion okay if a state allows it"...It depends. It's okay for those who believe it's okay but not okay for those who do not believe it's okay and yet are forced to support abortion while funding it with their taxes. It makes them feel as if they are being forced to say it's okay since they pay for it.
This divided choice of opinion has gone on for 50 years with NO resolution. Finally, there is a resolution not yet on the table...each state will decide pro-life or pro-abortion. The pro-abortion people win bigger because they can still choose to abort their babies in any state that allows it.
Pro-life people, who live in a state where abortion is allowed, must move if they don't want their taxes to support something they strongly don't believe in. Are you saying you want your way or the highway without any give and take?
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Thanks, I had no idea.
MACKTEXAS
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"Are you saying you want your way or the highway without any give and take?"
No, Lara. I was just trying to be clear on your own personal perspective on abortion. I found your earlier email ambiguous where you wrote: "Finally, this is a solution we can all agree on and most have. The ones who believe it's taking a life (with exceptions) won't be forced to support it. It's a win-win for all. No one will be turned away...we have a lot of states here to choose from."
If a person is unequivocally against abortion, it's hard to understand how they feel it is a win-win for all if a woman can just go down the road to another state and get one. Right or wrong should not be based on taxes.
This does not express my personal viewpoint on abortion one way or the other, nor am I trying to change yours.
gruntlabor
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Liberty and justice according to the law of the land. A spiritual dedication to liberty and justice by the founders if you please. The Great Experiment.
StarSong
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If a person is unequivocally against abortion, she shouldn't have one.
That women have to travel to another state to get health care is oppressive and unconscionable. More than one woman has already mid-miscarriage died due to doctors' hands being tied by these ridiculous, misogynistic laws.
Funny how there are no laws restricting health care for men.
MACKTEXAS
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Starsong, I get all your points, and once again, my post was not to express my personal opinion on the subject either way. I was trying to clarify the viewpoints of a previous poster to this thread. I don't know if it is necessary for me to reiterate this or not, but I'm doing so anyway.
Lara
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If a woman is already mid-miscarriage and on her way to death, as you say, she should be going to the closest emergency room, not an abortion clinic far away.
StarSong
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They have done exactly that, and been turned away by doctors who are terrified of being brought up on charges.
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Lara
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EMTALA* requires that anyone coming to an emergency department requesting evaluation or treatment of a medical condition, receives a medical screening examination. If they have an emergency medical condition, the hospital must provide stabilizing treatment, regardless of the patient's insurance status or ability to pay.
*Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act
*Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act
gruntlabor
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No, but our laws are based on the constitution.
'Wrong' doesn't necessarily need a law to back it up, like spitting on the sidewalk for example. Or just generally being a scoundrel.
HermitHogan
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Oh, sh*t! I never registered!
MACKTEXAS
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My post was in reference to an individual's concept of right or wrong, and how they act on their conscience, not on legalities. If I believe it is wrong to do something, I don't do it, even if it is legal.
CallMeKate
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They're coming to take you away,Oh, sh*t! I never registered!
hey hey, they're coming to take you away ho ho. But seriously, it was resumed in 1980 so you were probably too old.
You are a man of integrity.
StarSong
Awkward is my Superpower
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Fear of prosecution has been a game changer in women's health:
"A third woman has died under Texas’ abortion ban as doctors reach for riskier miscarriage treatments
Wrapping his wife in a blanket as she mourned the loss of her pregnancy at 11 weeks, Hope Ngumezi wondered why no obstetrician was coming to see her.
Over the course of six hours on June 11, 2023, Porsha Ngumezi had bled so much in the emergency department at Houston Methodist Sugar Land that she’d needed two transfusions. She was anxious to get home to her young sons, but, according to a nurse’s notes, she was still “passing large clots the size of grapefruit.”
Hope dialed his mother, a former physician, who was unequivocal. “You need a D&C,” she told them, referring to dilation and curettage, a common procedure for first-trimester miscarriages and abortions. If a doctor could remove the remaining tissue from her uterus, the bleeding would end.
But when Dr. Andrew Ryan Davis, the obstetrician on duty, finally arrived, he said it was the hospital’s “routine” to give a drug called misoprostol to help the body pass the tissue, Hope recalled. Hope trusted the doctor. Porsha took the pills, according to records, and the bleeding continued.
Three hours later, her heart stopped.
The 35-year-old’s death was preventable, according to more than a dozen doctors who reviewed a detailed summary of her case for ProPublica. Some said it raises serious questions about how abortion bans are pressuring doctors to diverge from the standard of care and reach for less-effective options that could expose their patients to more risks. Doctors and patients described similar decisions they’ve witnessed across the state.
It was clear Porsha needed an emergency D&C, the medical experts said. She was hemorrhaging and the doctors knew she had a blood-clotting disorder, which put her at greater danger of excessive and prolonged bleeding. “Misoprostol at 11 weeks is not going to work fast enough,” said Dr. Amber Truehart, an OB-GYN at the University of New Mexico Center for Reproductive Health. “The patient will continue to bleed and have a higher risk of going into hemorrhagic shock.” The medical examiner found the cause of death to be hemorrhage."
A third woman has died under Texas’ abortion ban as doctors reach for riskier miscarriage treatments
HermitHogan
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Yep, registration wasn't required from 1975-1980. President Jimmy Carter reintroduced the requirement for men born after January 1, 1960, to register with the Selective Service. Since I turned 18 in 1975, I was in the window where we didn't have to register.They're coming to take you away,
But seriously, it was resumed in 1980 so you were probably too old.
dilettante
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I'm a year older and we had to both register and speak to a recruiter.
MACKTEXAS
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I suppose it was not fair of me to ask one person to clarify their post, while I was not clear on my own, so here goes.
I believe abortion is a matter between a woman and her doctor; period.
At the same time, however, I do not understand how people who believe abortion is morally wrong conclude that laws legalizing abortion in some states and not others is an acceptable alternative to Roe v Wade.