If you know god, then what?

Nathan said:
I am more comfortable with that. Religions that believe in deities can't all be right, but they could certainly all be wrong.

I see creation as being real, that requires a God, as such I believe God is real. Religions are messy, and fraught with self-serving doctrine.

Edit: Just for the record: I am a Christian, in the sense that I believe in Jesus and His teachings. Some Groups within Christianity have strayed, and like to call themselves "Christian", but don't really embrace the teachings of Christ. Jesus foresaw that.
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understand and I pretty much agree. You either know him or you do not. I know him, he knows me. I stray, I will suffer but he is there for me. I try everyday. I hear him. He talks to me in verse. He questions me thru questions. He is my base, my grounding. My guide thru my life.
 
Paco Dennis said:
Since no one really knows, if we act like we know, or we have accepted an explanation from without, it is wasted energy. We only find life while living within it.

Experiencing life does not need knowing a beginning or end.
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I see knowing as not a necessity, although we are often preoccupied with knowing, sometimes on the order of obsession. This is true for the superstitious as well as the cosmologist. But if you absolutely need to know, conduct the search with reason. It may not get you where you want to go, but it's the most reliable thing we have.

My dog isn't preoccupied with knowing. He actually resists knowing, but I can through patience and repetition teach him things I want him to know: "You can chase the deer out of the yard, but you must not leave the yard." He knows this. I don't think he knows why. I doubt that "why" has ever crossed his mind. He doesn't seem to obsess on things. Wasted obsession seems to be a human trait.
 
rbtvgo said:
the odds of that happening?
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Depends on what you're asking. An often quoted number is somewhere around "1 in 400 quadrillion", or so. However, that's the calculated odds of YOU existing in the universe as an individual, not for the creation of life itself.
When we look at habitable planets, it is estimated that the odds are 3-1. However, we must clearly be cognizant of the fact that we've not been able to closely examine or test such a planet. Since the closest is 4.2 light years away from Earth, it's going to be some time before we can know for sure, so the numbers are fuzzy.
Honestly, at the moment we simply don't know enough to be able to calculate odds on how often life comes about.

Also worth noting, God is an Unfalsifiable Hypothesis - meaning the scientific process can neither prove, or disprove God's existence. So we can't meaningfully calculate the odds of there being a God.

In short - thinking in terms of "odds" isn't - IMO - useful in this context.
 
boss said:
I don't guess you belive in Hell either? If You don't,... You Will when YOU Get There
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Can't answer for Pepper - but for me, you would be correct, I do not believe there is a hell.

Honestly, I can't comprehend of a God who would allow Hell to exist under any circumstances. I know all about the original sin and repentance and the rest, but I have a very difficult time even considering that a loving God would allow eternal suffering because an individual on a planet of His making, and played by His rules, had made specific choices. Let alone fall to their knees before him.
 
Paco Dennis said:
Since no one really knows, if we act like we know, or we have accepted an explanation from without, it is wasted energy. We only find life while living within it.

Experiencing life does not need knowing a beginning or end.
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until the day comes when you need support or assurance that what you are doing or decisions that need to be made for a love ones life, that is in your hands suddenly appears. Who do you turn to?
 
VaughanJB said:
Depends on what you're asking. An often quoted number is somewhere around "1 in 400 quadrillion", or so. However, that's the calculated odds of YOU existing in the universe as an individual, not for the creation of life itself.
When we look at habitable planets, it is estimated that the odds are 3-1. However, we must clearly be cognizant of the fact that we've not been able to closely examine or test such a planet. Since the closest is 4.2 light years away from Earth, it's going to be some time before we can know for sure, so the numbers are fuzzy.
Honestly, at the moment we simply don't know enough to be able to calculate odds on how often life comes about.

Also worth noting, God is an Unfalsifiable Hypothesis - meaning the scientific process can neither prove, or disprove God's existence. So we can't meaningfully calculate the odds of there being a God.

In short - thinking in terms of "odds" isn't - IMO - useful in this context.
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God isn't statisical. You can't prove BUT you can't disprove. So what did you just say that provides any information????
 
rbtvgo said:
please explain the universe to me. please explain your very existence.
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Provided that you know what a box is suppose to look like? Square? who decided that? think about it.
The universe is infinite to me. I have no idea.
Yet I am here, alive, thinking, wondering what's for dinner. Worried about meeting the bills, worried about how to deal with a new vac system. Worried! about the most mondain things. The universe? wow! and we are part of it. We are here, to discuss such questions. Two humans that do not know anything about the universe discussing the reasons for being. Two creations of God discussing our origins. It seems silly. It is actually. We can debate and disagree yet neither one of us knows the truth. Seems funny to me.
Everything I read on line, every person who mounts a case. everyone who proves or disproves the existence of God and his connection to us is..............please excuse my language, but they are full of sh__.
They don't know. They speculate, they posture but as God says " the wisdom of the wise, (I quote 1 corinthians 1;19). foolish!
Read my post, don't read them. No matter. I don't need replies. Don't care. It is what it is!. God is, you are his creation and you will either confirm his existence by your life or you will not. In either case there are consequences on your actions.
 
“The first sip from the cup of science will make you an atheist, but when you drain the cup to the dregs, God is waiting for you at the bottom.”
~ Werner Heisenberg (1901–1976), German theoretical physicist and pioneer of quantum mechanics.

Civilization has been dealing with that ever since. Early scientific discoveries made people think we didn’t need God to explain the world, but now science has uncovered things that pure materialism can’t explain. The smallest units of matter aren’t physical objects in the ordinary sense. They are forms, ideas that can only be described clearly in mathematical language.

That brings us full circle. The deeper science looks into reality, the more it finds mystery, order, and purpose, qualities that point beyond chance. The laws of physics, the fine-tuning of the universe, and even the existence of consciousness all suggest that life isn’t an accident but something intentional.

The ancients looked for God in the heavens. Modern science finds the same wonder in the subatomic world and in the vastness of space. Maybe both are seeing different sides of the same truth.

So, if you know God, then what? You see that faith and reason aren’t enemies. They work together in the search for meaning. Science can tell us how things work, but God is still the why. And at the end of every honest search, whether through prayer or through physics, we find the same quiet truth, there is more here than matter.

I met my higher power one stormy night when I was struck by lightning at nineteen. He sent me back. I can’t say I "know" Him, but I know He’s with me.
 
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rbtvgo said:
until the day comes when you need support or assurance that what you are doing or decisions that need to be made for a love ones life, that is in your hands suddenly appears. Who do you turn to?
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Good friends, people who know about the issues, and a trust in myself that I will do everything I can to move on. One day, that won't be possible, like it has happened to those who were here before us. You want me to feel doubt and fear because I don't believe a biblical God. Correct me if I am wrong, but you being a hot Christian, u include God in everything, good for you. That makes me very happy.

There should be a rule on SF...no preaching. :)
 
rbtvgo said:
Provided that you know what a box is suppose to look like? Square? who decided that? think about it.
The universe is infinite to me. I have no idea.
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Using bible verse or this AI input
How does the Bible describe the universe?
AI Overview

In the Bible, the "universe" refers to God's entire creation, including the heavens, Earth, and everything within them, all brought into existence through divine word and purpose, not chance. While the Bible describes a structured, orderly, and vast creation sustained by God, its ancient cosmology varied, initially depicting a flat Earth under a watery dome. However, through texts like Isaiah 40:22, it also suggests God's ongoing act of stretching out the heavens, implying a universe that has expanded since its creation, a concept aligning with modern understanding of God's vast and awe-inspiring handiwork.

Lets not use a box lets use any container that never was & is being made.

Do understand that you have to be outside of whatever to create that container even it is has the ability to expand?
So where does God live ?

Never got an answer to my other question. How did a sentient being 13 billion years old become what people refer to as God?
 

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