Paris under attack - multiple terrorist attacks on Friday night

Shalimar said:
Bobw, I fear you are right. But we must be very careful not to mimic others who commit war crimes in the cause of "righteousness." We don't want another Palestine.
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I hate that we have come to this point, but sadly, we seem to be facing an enemy in ISIS that cannot be reasoned with. They and their belief system run counter to the tenets of civilized human society. Serious mistakes have been made by the West over a period of many years in their approach to dealing with the Middle East, most notably our invasion of Iraq. Hopefully we learn from those mistakes and if action is indeed taken at some point in the future, we do it right and we do it thoroughly. This means not just military action, but also understanding the root causes that led to the rise of this evil. I hope we think long and hard before committing to any further escalation in that part of the world. I hope it can be avoided, but unfortunately I think this gets worse before it gets better. Beyond a possible military response, I suspect we're going to see tighter borders, more surveillance, a clamping down on radical imams/mosques, etc. I think we also have to face the fact that the internal battle between Sunni and Shiite factions within the Islamic community has existed for a long time. Those deep-seated beliefs are not something the West is ever going to solve, so maybe the best we can hope for eliminating ISIS and making sure that we're more vigilant the next time we see this type of movement rising up in the future.
 

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Alright already......I've seen the error of my ways......you've now thoroughly convinced me.

I'm going to unsaddle and pasture my horse, throw away my cowboy hat and more importantly disarm myself and hang up six my shooters.........I go willingly now to join the ranks of the defenseless unarmed lambs awaiting slaughter. NOT!!
 
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Yes.. the Sunnni's and the Shiite's have been waring for eons... and we are not going to change that... not EVER.. no matter what we do.. It is water under the bridge now to place blame... because the damage is done... The actions of the Bush/Cheney administration have destabilized the region and the actions of President Maliki sealed the deal by excluding the ISIS factors from power in his government. So... Now we have it... what do we do? Do we go in and destroy ISIS.? How do you destroy a mindset?
 
QuickSilver said:
Yes.. the Sunnni's and the Shiite's have been waring for eons... and we are not going to change that... not EVER.. no matter what we do.. It is water under the bridge now to place blame... because the damage is done... The actions of the Bush/Cheney administration have destabilized the region and the actions of President Maliki sealed the deal by excluding the ISIS factors from power in his government. So... Now we have it... what do we do? Do we go in and destroy ISIS.? How do you destroy a mindset?
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Here we go with that Bush caused it lies and distortions. Only the real far far far left really believe that nonsense.
 
BobF said:
Here we go with that Bush caused it lies and distortions. Only the real far far far left really believe that nonsense.
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Yes... Bush.. with the advise of his biased and twisted minded friends caused the whole thing... Yep... Only the far far far far far far far far far right with their biased and twisted and nonsensical thinking would be stupid enough to believe otherwise.. lol!!
 
QuickSilver said:
Yes... Bush.. with the advise of his biased and twisted minded friends caused the whole thing... Yep... Only the far far far far far far far far far right with their biased and twisted and nonsensical thinking would be stupid enough to believe otherwise.. lol!!
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Where is your proofs of such nonsense? I have posted such that say it was not Bush that caused Isis to be a problem. I have posted proofs that it was not Bush that created the Iraq war. It was a British Gen Sir Michael Jackson, that encouraged the groups watching over Iraq with UN approvals to just go ahead and move in on Saddam. You just never beleive the facts that do exist and just keep posting these hateful liberal lies about the conservative folks. Truth and facts do exist. Why not use them.
 
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This topic has spun so far I don't even know what to say
 
chic said:
In Brussells, arrests have been made and one of the terrorists captured and imprisoned. I'm watching CNN and just heard. So at least some progress is being made. That's an auspicous sign.
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Yep-7, Seven potential attackers

http://mic.com/articles/128600/belg...spected-in-paris-terrorist-attacks#.8cjY65Fg0

And Belgium was the site of a raid shortly after the Hebdo attacks in January.

http://time.com/3670433/belgium-terrorism-attack-verviers/

I never would have thought of France or Belgium of hotbeds of terrorism years ago.

Also a soccer stadium security guard stopped the stadium attack from getting worse denying entrance to a terrorist who blew himself up outside the stadium.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...-turned-bomb-clad-terrorist-article-1.2435076
 
. How can we work together on a global scale hoping to find a reasonable way to deal with the aftermath of the Paris attacks, when many can't even tolerate opposing political views in a democracy without resorting to snide verbal attacks? I have been

very courteous, and very patient, but enough is enough. The next time I hear my political views denigrated as far far left liberal nonsense or garbage I will respond. Difference of opinion is one thing, abuse is another. To a Canadian, being accused of

hatred towards people who have different views than we do, smacks of hate speech. We prize our tolerance and courtesy, and find such labels culturally offensive in the extreme. We are supposed to be showing solidarity for les pauvres Parisiennes, not

denigrating each other.
 
Shalimar said:
. How can we work together on a global scale hoping to find a reasonable way to deal with the aftermath of the Paris attacks, when many can't even tolerate opposing political views in a democracy without resorting to snide verbal attacks? I have been

very courteous, and very patient, but enough is enough. The next time I hear my political views denigrated as far far left liberal nonsense or garbage I will respond. Difference of opinion is one thing, abuse is another. To a Canadian, being accused of

hatred towards people who have different views than we do, smacks of hate speech. We prize our tolerance and courtesy, and find such labels culturally offensive in the extreme. We are supposed to be showing solidarity for les pauvres Parisiennes, not

denigrating each other.
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Finally have a label for at least one pos terrorist coward.

http://indianexpress.com/article/wo...of-violence-in-and-around-paris-several-dead/

Prior to attack he was a petty criminal but on a list of potential candidates for radicalization since 2010. Identified by finger found after he was one of three to blow himself up.

Also terrorist may have used a video game to communicate-Play Station 4

http://www.geek.com/news/paris-terrorists-suspected-of-using-playstation-4-to-communicate-1639536/

Heard another report they might have used couriers/people as well.
 
The following article is dated October 2008 so I think you will find Paris has more CCTV than you realise.......


While the Paris metro and rail networks already operate around 9,500 CCTV devices, police have only 330 at their disposal to survey outside public areas. The new plan, dubbed "A Thousand Cameras for Paris", will raise that number to more than 1,200 – with most installed in high-risk areas and outside railway and underground stations.

The figure is still small compared with London, where each citizen is caught on average several hundred times a day. Britain has about four million closed-circuit security cameras compared with France's 340,000.

The CCTV drive follows Mr Sarkozy's pledge last autumn to follow London's surveillance lead. "I am very impressed by the efficiency of the British police thanks to this network of cameras," the French president said. "In my mind, there is no contradiction between respecting individual freedoms and the installation of cameras to protect everyone's security."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...aris-to-quadruple-number-of-CCTV-cameras.html
 
QuickSilver said:
Americans most certainly do hold the "live tough or die" "shoot 'em up cowboy".. "don't tread on me" attitudes.. Perhaps this has to do with our culture of valuing the individual much more than the society. I'm not sure... Perhaps our history of revolution against Merry ol England.. Or our settling of the wild wild west in the pioneer days.. But we DO want to talk and act like a bunch of "bad asses" even if we need a gun to back that up.. It's embarrassing.
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Interesting that you bypassed the Civil War, QuickSilver. That was the time that Americans needed to be armed against other Americans and as far as I can see, those wounds still run deep and are only partly healed.
 
Butterfly said:
Bob, I also agree. I don't see any other way, either.
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I am now finally on the agree team too.. We need to go in with our allies... and crush them.. down to the very last one.. THEN go after any we find operating as cells in our countries. I don't see any other way either... It's time... we need to show them what it's like to play..
 
QuickSilver said:
I am now finally on the agree team too.. We need to go in with our allies... and crush them.. down to the very last one.. THEN go after any we find operating as cells in our countries. I don't see any other way either... It's time... we need to show them what it's like to play..
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Ah well, it's started with France now having air strikes and have dropped 20 bombs on Raqqua in Syria
 
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