I speak MY truth

OldFeller said:
It's one more way of indoctrinating of the youth with a mindset of non-cooperation that is part of the socialist undermining of the long established mores of the United States.
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As a non American, I ask sincerely - who or what is indoctrinating the youth of America ?
There must be a plethora of groups seeking to bend the minds of the young, not all of them malignant.

Non-cooperation is a necessary reaction to manipulation of the mind. Resistance is not always futile.
 
Per AI:

Actress Lili Reinhart is known for her role as Betty Cooper in the television series Riverdale.
  • She is recognized for her roles in various films and television productions since rising to fame.
  • Reinhart frequently shares updates and personal style looks with her fans on social media platforms.
  • She has collaborated with brands such as CoverGirl, often showcasing specific products like their lip color collections
 
MACKTEXAS said:
Per AI:

Actress Lili Reinhart is known for her role as Betty Cooper in the television series Riverdale.
  • She is recognized for her roles in various films and television productions since rising to fame.
  • Reinhart frequently shares updates and personal style looks with her fans on social media platforms.
  • She has collaborated with brands such as CoverGirl, often showcasing specific products like their lip color collections
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All I did was take the picture from here and put it in Google Images.
 
MACKTEXAS said:
I'm trying to follow this, due to the amendments you made.

In pure mathematics, 2 + 2 = 4, and when stated exactly that way with no quantifiers it remains an absolute truth because it exists within a closed system of logic.

Once you add quantifiers, you move from that system of logic to the physical world, where several things become abstract.

Also, physical addition doesn't always mirror mathematical addition. If you add 2 piles of sand to 2 other piles of sand, you often just end up with 1 large pile of sand.
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In order to understand the world, I realize that we have to start somewhere by conceding that something is true. But what?
You have provided the rules around 2+2=4 but how can I verify them? Especially with only words to communicate with?
People are sure of themselves today, but knowledge is about probabilities not facts, in my opinion.
 
gruntlabor said:
In order to understand the world, I realize that we have to start somewhere by conceding that something is true. But what?
You have provided the rules around 2+2=4 but how can I verify them? Especially with only words to communicate with?
People are sure of themselves today, but knowledge is about probabilities not facts, in my opinion.
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So you're saying there is nothing we can verify? Sorry my friend, you're surely joking.

How can you verify them? Well, AI says this:

"At its core, \(2 + 2 = 4\) is proven by abstracting everyday counting into rigid logical rules called "axioms". Philosophically, it represents the consistency of our numeric systems, but it is formally verified through deductive logic in set theory and symbolic mathematics."

So hey, if that's helpful, great, if not, sorry . . . I can only tell you that I accepted the obvious when I learned how to count at an early age. :ROFLMAO:

And we cannot prove the sun was shining today?

We can't prove there's a moon after all the money we spent going there?

Wow, we're in bad shape, aren't we? :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
MACKTEXAS said:
So you're saying there is nothing we can verify? Sorry my friend, you're surely joking.

How can you verify them? Well, AI says this:

"At its core, \(2 + 2 = 4\) is proven by abstracting everyday counting into rigid logical rules called "axioms". Philosophically, it represents the consistency of our numeric systems, but it is formally verified through deductive logic in set theory and symbolic mathematics."

So hey, if that's helpful, great, if not, sorry . . . I can only tell you that I accepted the obvious when I learned how to count at an early age. :ROFLMAO:

And we cannot prove the sun was shining today?

We can't prove there's a moon after all the money we spent going there?

Wow, we're in bad shape, aren't we? :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
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Those things are almost certainly true. That's where probability comes into play.
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Maybe I'm right. What are the chances? Astronomical? So be it.
 
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I find now a days, some people who claim to speak the truth, are just plain liars. They go on to claim some honest people who always tell the truth are lying, just because they think or say differently. Then you have stupid people who just don't care and are willing to believe a consistent liar, simply because the liars are saying things that they want to believe are true.
 
The society was never divided this way, be it regarding politics, be it COVID-19. "Divide and conquer", every government loves it.

At the moment I am reading the book "The Psychology of Totalitarianism" by the Belgian Mattias Desmet, professor of clinical psychology at Ghent university. It was written because of COVID-19 and gives fascinating insights what is happening since some years.
It's an excellent addition to Hannah Arendt's extensive book "The Origins of Totalitarianism", which was written just after the Third Reich.
 
MACKTEXAS said:
Many people parrot certain phrases because they like the sound, or just to fit in with what they've heard others say.
One that's been around quite awhile, "at the end of the day" - to summarize a point.
Here are some more:
"Perception is reality," to argue that how someone feels about a situation matters more than the facts (which isn't necessarily true).
"Lived experience," - as though personal history gives the speaker more knowledge on a topic than others may have. It may, it may not.
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They all annoy me. It just seems like they're trying to make something stupid sound intelligent.
At the end of the day = finally.
Perception is reality = I just go by surface impressions.
Lived experience - that's my anecdotal evidence.

Everytime I've heard "my truth," it's been someone wanting to keep their prejudice against all evidence.

Example:
Person one: People from that state are all stupid.
Person two: Actually their kids do better on the SAT's than any other state.
Person three: Well I think they're all stupid and that's my truth.
 
George1959 said:
Do you know the Japanese movie 'Rashomon'?

A samurai gets murdered and four witnesses (including himself with the help of a medium) all of them tell different stories of what has happened. Evereone has his/her own truth. What is now the truth?

Rashomon - Wikipedia
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That is what a justice system is for. Rooting out the actual truth.
I guess it's nice for some people to just claim the truth as their own knowing no such system will be involved other than the court of public opinion.
 
officerripley said:
That phrase is a redundancy anyway.
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Or that observable probabilities @gruntlabor , like birds fly, mammals breath air, it rains from clouds...those are very high probabilities that we conventionally say are true. When the probabilities are low like that lake gives up a lot of fish, you can ski down this advanced slope, those might be less believable as true. :) so truth is relative...conditional.
 
Paco Dennis said:
Or that observable probabilities @gruntlabor , like birds fly, mammals breath air, it rains from clouds...those are very high probabilities that we conventionally say are true. When the probabilities are low like that lake gives up a lot of fish, you can ski down this advanced slope, those might be less believable as true. :) so truth is relative...conditional.
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:) We say something is true if it matches the facts.
But what are the facts?
Things that are true.
 
When I worked on the Investigation Team with the PSP, I remember questioning a suspect for 5 hours. During those 5 hours, he told me 8 different versions of stories with how his victim was killed. Each time he changed his story, he started with, “OK, this is the truth.”

I told the suspect if you are going to continue to lie, save your breath and don’t say anything. I ended up booking him into the County jail and charged him with felony murder. Fourteen months months later, he went to trial and was found guilty. That happened in about 2000 and he still sits in one of our finest prisons where he will be until death.
 
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gruntlabor said:
It's true that nothing is certain.

Truth is stranger than fiction ... because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't. --Mark Twain,
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Thanks for your contribution.

"The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, and ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." - Winston Churchill
 
People may call it "their truth" but it's really their "narrative" or their impression of their lived experience.

For instance one person standing in the sun at 60F might express feeling warm, while another person might express feeling cold. Both were exposed to the same exact conditions yet each one's narrative was completely opposite the other, yet both are "true."
 
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