Teacher grabs hijab off students head.

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BobF said:
There are differences between public schools, private schools, religious schools. They all have their own idea of what is right and what to wear.

Public schools must follow city, state, or federal rules. They must satisfy the taxpayers who do pay for their existence.

Private schools must also follow city, state, or federal rules, and also any private school rules for students and teachers that also usually need to get permission from the teaching controllers of their teaching areas. They can be different from the public schools as long as they meet the standards for teaching and the learning of the students. Often call for dress calls for both boys and girls.

Religious schools are much like the private school systems and often include special religious efforts into the daily role of teaching. Dress code is often needed in religious schools.

I personally believe that a teacher should be expected to maintain those special standards for any school they do teach at. Nothing wrong with expecting all students to follow the rules of the school they are attending. It is a skill that all schools should teach. That is something we all need to learn as we grow up. Obedience is not a dirty word.
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Why is there such quibbling about this? Is it a catholic school? If so..nuns wear what they always wear. Its a uniform as such. Its a religious institution. So now YOU are saying nuns can't wear their habit because some kid can't wear a towel on his or her head? Why is such a kid in a CATHOLIC school if his/her religion is Islam?
Much ado about nothing, this argument.

Shalimar said:
Sooo, this removal applies to nuns wearing the old fashioned habit with wimple headdress also?
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Bloods and Crips. NO red. NO blue. Especially bandanas.

CeeCee said:
True, my grandson wasn't allowed to wear anything red in his Public High School because it was affiliated with certain gangs in CA.
There were some other restrictions but I can't remember them at the moment.
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Good idea. I think I will stop participating in this thread myself, and refrain from posting such topics in future.Too much quibbling.
RadishRose said:
"Separation of church and state" is the rationale.

That's open to a lot of personal interpretation, so I won't be discussing it.
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Lethe200 said:
Take the religion out of it, and think about this. An adult pulls off an article of personal clothing on a minor, and PLAYS WITH HER HAIR.

How would you feel if that was your daughter or your sister, your niece or your granddaughter?

No adult has ANY right to put unwanted, intrusive hands on ANY minor, in a social setting. And school, more than anything else, IS a social setting. This was not a disciplinary incident in any manner. There is no mention in the article that the girl was breaking or even stretching the school's dress code.
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School is a social setting ? I thought it was suppose to be an institution of learning. Social is the sock-hop....after school.

If it is a public school , I go along with no religious practice or display...period. We [tax-payers] provide education because it is needed . Religion, if it is desired? can be obtained elsewhere.

If it is a private school ? What ever the rules are as explained by the administration at the time of enrollment , agreed to by the parent(s).

I still believe kids need & should receive a quick kick in the butt from the adult in charge wherever it may be........personally I think that is lacking in our culture today, and is part of the problem.

But in truth overall...I've reached the point where I really don't care . It is becoming the Gen-X & Millennial's world, and it appears that is the way they want it......
 
I agree with mostly what has been written here, except firing the teacher. Maybe this could also be a "teaching" moment. If I was the Principal, I would be asking, "What were you thinking?"

One thing is for certain, things in school sure have changed. I remember getting my butt whacked a few times. Believe me, I was no angel in high school. No where near being an angel. I rolled a firecracker under the seats in the auditorium and received 5 smacks for that with about a 3/4" piece of lumber. That was only one time.
 
Growing up and attending public schools in the 50s & 60s:

Nothing, not anything what-so-ever was said, nobody thought anything of students wearing a cross on a necklace, or a St Christopher.

I remember seeing Jewish students wearing a Star of David, as a lapel pin or on a necklace.

Now it seems when a Muslim child wears the hijab, those who are afflicted with Islamophobia are all

scurrying around in a panic.

Pretty weird.
 
In my opinion, if Christians are not allowed bible study or to say the pledge, or have the 10 commandments on the grounds or any other thing like all of us USED to be around and either not pay attention or didn't get our panties in a wad over it...then the same should be shown to those who came to this country but want US to conform to THEIR ways.
And speaking for myself, I tend to mistrust a religion that urges their followers to kill all infidels..which means...drumroll..NON muslims. Wear a towel on your head, stay the heck away from me.
 
Exactly. Meanwhile, I forgot I was going to leave this thread so......I remember now.

Carry on.

rgp said:
School is a social setting ? I thought it was suppose to be an institution of learning. Social is the sock-hop....after school.

If it is a public school , I go along with no religious practice or display...period. We [tax-payers] provide education because it is needed . Religion, if it is desired? can be obtained elsewhere.

If it is a private school ? What ever the rules are as explained by the administration at the time of enrollment , agreed to by the parent(s).

I still believe kids need & should receive a quick kick in the butt from the adult in charge wherever it may be........personally I think that is lacking in our culture today, and is part of the problem.

But in truth overall...I've reached the point where I really don't care . It is becoming the Gen-X & Millennial's world, and it appears that is the way they want it......
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tnthomas said:
Growing up and attending public schools in the 50s & 60s:

Nothing, not anything what-so-ever was said, nobody thought anything of students wearing a cross on a necklace, or a St Christopher.

I remember seeing Jewish students wearing a Star of David, as a lapel pin or on a necklace.

Now it seems when a Muslim child wears the hijab, those who are afflicted with Islamophobia are all

scurrying around in a panic.

Pretty weird.
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I agree.

This has been a very sad but interesting thread, I never realized how much fear and anger existed about such things.
 
tnthomas said:
Growing up and attending public schools in the 50s & 60s:

Nothing, not anything what-so-ever was said, nobody thought anything of students wearing a cross on a necklace, or a St Christopher.

I remember seeing Jewish students wearing a Star of David, as a lapel pin or on a necklace.

Now it seems when a Muslim child wears the hijab, those who are afflicted with Islamophobia are all

scurrying around in a panic.

Pretty weird.
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Hijabs although worn by Muslim girls is not a religious or Muslim thing. It is a head wear that is preferred by Muslim girls who are more modest in their upbringing. Naturally other religions and schools tolerate the wearing of head wear. Tolerance is the problem. If you live in a society with people of other cultures then you should not have a problem. Its in vogue to bash Muslims and Islam in particular, this does nothing for a society struggling to understand why Muslim countries are turning to terrorism. It is not the religion that is bad , it is those individuals who claim to be Muslims but are really terrorists. The teacher seems to be caught up in Islamophobic dribble. His actions were totally inappropriate. I think he needs to be schooled but not fired.
 
Ok.

To me..they are towel heads. To them, I am an infidel that needs to die.

Am I afraid of them? Hell no. But I don't have to accept them or trust them either.

I guess I am not done with this thread after all.
 
ramohed said:
Hijabs although worn by Muslim girls is not a religious or Muslim thing. It is a head wear that is preferred by Muslim girls who are more modest in their upbringing. Naturally other religions and schools tolerate the wearing of head wear. Tolerance is the problem. If you live in a society with people of other cultures then you should not have a problem. Its in vogue to bash Muslims and Islam in particular, this does nothing for a society struggling to understand why Muslim countries are turning to terrorism. It is not the religion that is bad , it is those individuals who claim to be Muslims but are really terrorists. The teacher seems to be caught up in Islamophobic dribble. His actions were totally inappropriate. I think he needs to be schooled but not fired.
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Hogwash. Read the Koran. Christians burned people when they were accused of witchcraft. Muslims think anyone NON muslim is an infidel and should be dead. Point is...RELIGION should NOT BE IN SCHOOLS. Period. That is my point. That is what I have said over and over. If I am tacky calling them towel heads, oh frigging well...tacky I am then.
 
Kaya said:
In my opinion, if Christians are not allowed bible study or to say the pledge, or have the 10 commandments on the grounds or any other thing like all of us USED to be around and either not pay attention or didn't get our panties in a wad over it...then the same should be shown to those who came to this country but want US to conform to THEIR ways.
And speaking for myself, I tend to mistrust a religion that urges their followers to kill all infidels..which means...drumroll..NON muslims. Wear a towel on your head, stay the heck away from me.
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This is a very ignorant and uninformed statement
 
Kaya said:
Hogwash. Read the Koran. Christians burned people when they were accused of witchcraft. Muslims think anyone NON muslim is an infidel and should be dead. Point is...RELIGION should NOT BE IN SCHOOLS. Period. That is my point. That is what I have said over and over. If I am tacky calling them towel heads, oh frigging well...tacky I am then.
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No my friend. You really have it wrong. Point me to the part in the Koran which confirms what you are saying. I am a Muslim for the past 60 years and i have never seen that. The terms towel head, rag head and paki were all derogatory terms coined by western society mainly America . Dont confuse Muslim for terrorists who want to kill infidels .
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ramohed said:
I thought this was a site for retirees. People who would have had years of experience and maybe understanding. Your attitude is what is wrong with America. I will leave this discussion here. Good night.
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Please do not believe that all members here hate and fear those of the Muslim faith. I am certain I am not the only person shaken by the level of Islamophobia present in this thread. I am ashamed that you have been subjected to this ugliness. I hope you will not let this spoil you for sf. Many of us welcome you. As Salaam Alaikum. Btw, admin has clearly stated that all personal attacks on this site are strictly forbidden.
 
ramohed said:
I thought this was a site for retirees. People who would have had years of experience and maybe understanding. Your attitude is what is wrong with America. I will leave this discussion here. Good night.
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I apologize. I wish I could take it back what I said to you. I also wish I did not feel this way...but I do. However, being rude serves no purpose.
I am embarrassed I let myself lash out like that, so....maybe I should take a break although I didn't originally plan to.

Be well, and my apologies again.
 
Shalimar said:
Please do not believe that all members here hate and fear those of the Muslim faith. I am certain I am not the only person shaken by the level of Islamophobia present in this thread. I am ashamed that you have been subjected to this

I hope you will not let this spoil you for sf. Many of us welcome you. As Salaam Alaikum. Btw, admin has clearly stated that all personal attacks on this site are strictly forbidden.
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Don't worry, I am from Trinidad and Tobago. Our watchwords are Discipline, Tolerance and Production. We are a multi cultural. multi religious, multi ethnic society. And that can be seen everyday here. I am not phased. I did not get this far by running away. I was a social worker for 41+yrs and dealt with some of the most difficult people. Thanks for your thoughtfulness.
 

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