One giant hoax

Traveler said:
Ah. I was wondering when the personal attacks would begin. So, no comment on the above.
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You chose this topic so that we could all sing Kumbaya together? Is everyone happy yet? :triumphant:

How do you expect this thread will close other than one side or the other will be the "winner"?
 
There has been much back and forth discussion about whether the earths temperature is rising or not, but I have yet to see any proof that there is a connection between man's use of fossil fuels and climate change.
 

Traveler said:
There has been much back and forth discussion about whether the earths temperature is rising or not, but I have yet to see any proof that there is a connection between man's use of fossil fuels and climate change.
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Okay, thank you. I agree that there is much disagreement and controversy about how humans are affecting earth and its climate.
 
Traveler said:
Without trying to start an argument, what do you say about Al Gore's idea that "global warming" could bring on a new ice age. I just don't get that. It seems like saying that if you turn on the oven it might freeze in there. Seems terribly goofy to me.
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It's a possibility. Had to do with the melting of ice in the Antarctica I believe. Methane is like 8x worse that co2. As it melts it releases a lot of methane but methane does off in 7 years. Once melted no methane being released. This creates changes in current and wind patterns. These changes can bring in an ice age.

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Big Horn said:
The government schoolteacher thinks she knows more than professionals. They know how to avoid work, but not much else.
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Uncalled for Big Horn.

I don't claim to know more than experts. I have a high school grasp of simple physics but climate and weather systems are not at all simple. However, to explain even simple concepts it is sometimes necessary to be a bit reductionist.

If I were still in the classroom I would do it with a demonstration involving a beer glass, some ice cubes and salt water. I would then be able to show that melting water from ice sheets does result in some increase in water depth. This demonstration would not say anything about other factors that might remove some water by evaporation, or what the effect of that evaporation might be.
 
My observation.

If you agree with global warming you are suddenly imbued with scientific knowledge and able to quote science even though you flunked every science course you ever took.

On the other hand if you disagree with global warming even though you aced science you are a dummy and don't understand scientific principles.

This is a sarcastic comment and meant in general and not directed at any one specific person.

Remember. The experts said that smoking wouldn't hurt you.
 
How much does sun activity affect our global temperature and if it does how much does it vary (if it does in fact vary at all)... a tiny bit, a little bit, some, or a whole lot? Just sayin'...

And if you think humans are causing global warming and making the earth eventually uninhabitable, should not population controls/reduction be part of any solution?
 
dpwspringer said:
How much does sun activity affect our global temperature and if it does how much does it vary (if it does in fact vary at all)... a tiny bit, a little bit, some, or a whole lot? Just sayin'...

And if you think humans are causing global warming and making the earth eventually uninhabitable, should not population controls/reduction be part of any solution?
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The sun affects the Earth quite a bit.

If a volcano erupts and spreads ash in the atmosphere it will cool things down. I think that happened with Krakatoa.
 
Can't beat these two links with pictures and text to show changes.


https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/4/




http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/




Funny thing about those links I tried them on Chrome, Internet Explorer & Microsoft Edge & none opened directly to the link. They are there just have to look for the wording to match. Probably no interest anyway in seeing the shrinkage and reading about the loss of ice surface. Global climate change has happened on our earth before so what is the big deal now?


Could be a big deal if the expectation of the oceans to rise and wipe out land areas with millions of people comes true. Not that millions would die surely cruise ships converted to arks would be put to use.
 
Knight said:
Can't beat these two links with pictures and text to show changes.


https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/4/




http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/




Funny thing about those links I tried them on Chrome, Internet Explorer & Microsoft Edge & none opened directly to the link. They are there just have to look for the wording to match. Probably no interest anyway in seeing the shrinkage and reading about the loss of ice surface. Global climate change has happened on our earth before so what is the big deal now?


Could be a big deal if the expectation of the oceans to rise and wipe out land areas with millions of people comes true. Not that millions would die surely cruise ships converted to arks would be put to use.
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Some would move to higher ground. Those who did not would help reduce population. Since the smart and assertive would be the ones who move, it would be very positive for the future.
 
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