50 Million Dollar Resort For Illegals

[MrJim]

No, but they might.

<sarcasm> Isn't that the reason that you are all keeping huge private arsenals of pistols, rifles, assault weapons & personal anti aircraft devices? </sarcasm>

Honestly kcvet, do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you suggest that all that you need to do to deal with a flood of juveniles being smuggled across the border is to strafe Mexico, or do you want to declare war on all of Central America? Why not drop a hydrogen bomb or two and destroy both American continents? That should fix it once and for all.

My reference to Russia was the callous indifference they are showing about the lives of civilians, including children and infants. If the US were to do what I think you suggest with that photo then, as a nation, you would be no better than Russia. So much for American exceptionalism.

No, no, noooooo..... anything is OK as long as it's wrapped in the American flag first.

Don't you understand that by now?

It's the cornerstone of the rightwing redneck code.

 

[MrJim]

Good post, Phil. Since the visits to Guatemala by Kerry, and soon after Biden didn't accomplish anything, returning the children back home would send a stronger message, that we mean business.

And that we're callous & don't give crap about children.

And that we talk a lot about compassion & humanity, but don't really believe in it.

 

[Warrigal]

Kcvet, I followed your link and discovered that the statement that “one in five” illegal aliens today has a criminal record" is not as clear cut as it would seem. It seems to be a gross exaggeration not well founded in fact.

“One in ten of every adult male crosser in this day and age more than likely already has a violent criminal record here in the United States, has been removed, and is returning. Another one in ten, making it one in five, is bringing with him or her their violent criminal tendencies and records from their own countries of which we don't know yet” Coburn said.

First, it is talking about adult males, not women and children and second,"more than likely already has a violent criminal record here in the United States, has been removed, and is returning" sounds like speculation to me. Also the wording that the other "one in ten is bringing with him or her their violent criminal tendencies and records from their own countries of which we don't know yet" is yet another sweeping and speculative generalisation. He doesn't know that and admits as much, yet word goes out that one in five is a violent criminal, not just in their home country but in the US as well. One of the comments below the report said "That aint nothing. Black men in America are 42% felons and 80% have an arrest record."

I don't think I'll bother looking up Justice with Judge Jeanine. She and I would probably not have the same views on what justice looks like.

For what it's worth, almost 100% of our first fleeters were felons and the rest, their guards, were a pretty violent lot. The first free settlers turned out to be mostly corrupt. From these unlikely beginnings good things developed. Sometimes people just need a chance.

 

[kcvet]

No, no, noooooo..... anything is OK as long as it's wrapped in the American flag first.

Don't you understand that by now?

It's the cornerstone of the rightwing redneck code.

its ok to wrap yourself in the flag. we'll even light it for you

 

[Ina]

This morning's Fox news said we are putting 1,000 National Guardsmen on the border not to stop the immigrants, but to relieve the Border Patrol, so that the BP can enforce what measures are already in place. They also mentioned that only 40 of the recent immigrants have been sent back. :dunno:

 

[kcvet]

This morning's Fox news said we are putting 1,000 National Guardsmen on the border not to stop the immigrants, but to relieve the Border Patrol, so that the BP can enforce what measures are already in place. They also mentioned that only 40 of the recent immigrants have been sent back. :dunno:

might be to late. like closing the gate after the horse is out.

 

[MrJim]

its ok to wrap yourself in the flag. we'll even light it for you

Don't bother.

I'd never be a part of anything that involved burning the American flag.

Because unlike the vast majority of tough-talking, chest-thumping, fire-breathing, right wing conservative redneck phony baloneys, I actually respect not only the flag itself, but what it stands for & the ideals that it was founded upon.

Something that most of the aforementioned hot air bags don't even understand or think about.

But hey, you have a nice day all the same. &#55357;&#56829;

 

[kcvet]

Don't bother.

I'd never be a part of anything that involved burning the American flag.

Because unlike the vast majority of tough-talking, chest-thumping, fire-breathing, right wing conservative redneck phony baloneys, I actually respect not only the flag itself, but what it stands for & the ideals that it was founded upon.

Something that most of the aforementioned hot air bags don't even understand or think about.

But hey, you have a nice day all the same. &#55357;&#56829;

you have a nice day to

 

[WhatInThe]

Something to keep in mind with immigrants, especially the illegal immigrants from any country is that you are getting mostly alphas from the country. As Darwinian as it is it takes a lot of determination and aggressiveness to achieve one's goals at all cost including a thousand mile plus journey and criminal behavior as bared out by the illegal border crossings and the ethnic gangs in these immigrant communities. In many of the Central American countries there is culture of violence. Mexico has one of the highest gender violence rates in the WORLD along with their drug gang crime.

http://www.womenundersiegeproject.org/conflicts/profile/mexico

Honduras has one of the highest murder rates in the world

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/10/us-latam-crime-idUSBREA390IY20140410

Gang violence including illegal immigrant gang violence accounts for a large portion of gang crime in the US.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2009/01/illegal-immigrant-gangs-commit-most-u-s-crime/

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/FedCrimes/story?id=6773423&page=1

Many of the dead illegal immigrants found near the border are killed by the coyotes or smugglers for not paying up.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/20/bodies-immigrants-brooks-county-texas/2509053/

It is a culture of violence that is coming across the border en mass. They don't care because it's all about them. Part of the reason for that is the most aggressive are frequently the only ones choosing to come to the US and choosing to enter and live in the US in a criminal fashion. It takes an alpha and that same alpha will take what ever they want even if by crime.

 

[SifuPhil]

I don't think any other country would allow this. some have and lived to regret it. better us them them ???

Not "better us than them", but that's just the way this country works. For good or bad we've set ourselves up as the Gold Star Standard for what a country should be and we believe our own PR, so we pretty much HAVE to do things like this occasionally to prove to ourselves that we're really what we think we are.

Unfortunately (at least in my view) we're like a doctor trying to do open-heart surgery while our left leg and right arm are being amputated - there's just too much personal pain and suffering to mind the patient properly. The prudent thing to do would be to wait until we've recuperated and THEN start accepting new patients again ...

 

[Misty]

:hijacked: By me....Sorry

 

[SifuPhil]

And that we're callous & don't give crap about children.

And that we talk a lot about compassion & humanity, but don't really believe in it.

But there's a big difference between, say, finding a single lost child on the road at midnight and taking them home to care for them until you can locate their parents, and allowing thousands of basically healthy people who have been knowingly tossed out by their parents to cross the borders and take up residence here, with no intention of ever returning home.

The first is an act of charity and mercy; the second is being expected to perform that charity and mercy on an unwarranted level like a trained circus animal.

Charity and mercy are choices - with this situation, with the world watching, we cannot do anything less than care for them. We have no choice. We have basically had our policy dictated to us by another nation.

What has this country historically done when another country tries to dictate policy to us?

We declare war ...

 

[Warrigal]

with the world watching

The world is watching us too. Our government is attempting to draw the curtains.
Ethics and morality is shown by what you do when no-one is watching.

We declare war

How's the war on drugs going? And the war on terrorism?
Perhaps the next presidential campaign will be won by declaring war on illegals
Should be a landslide. It's worked twice over here already.

 

[SifuPhil]

The world is watching us too. Our government is attempting to draw the curtains.
Ethics and morality is shown by what you do when no-one is watching.

Actually, morality comes from a set of laws set out by society, so it is first and foremost a public act. Now ethics I agree can and should be practiced both in front of and behind the curtain, but morality? No, morality is just a small group of people telling me what I can and cannot do.

How's the war on drugs going? And the war on terrorism?

The war on drugs was not a war based upon others imposing their will on us. It came about because of internal politics, misinformed ones at that.

The war on terrorism? Well, you kind of have to give us a little bit of a head start there - we only really got into it in 2001. Even so, we haven't had nearly as many terrorist acts as some other countries ...

Perhaps the next presidential campaign will be won by declaring war on illegals
Should be a landslide. It's worked twice over here already.

If that were the party platform I would register to vote for the first time in my life.

 

[Warrigal]

How's the war on drugs going? And the war on terrorism?

The war on drugs was not a war based upon others imposing their will on us.

My point is that it is impractical to declare war on anything other than a nation state. That's why you can't have a war on drugs, terrorism or illegals. The reason that it is impractical is because the war can never be finished. With whom do you sign the peace treaty?

 

[SifuPhil]

My point is that it is impractical to declare war on anything other than a nation state. That's why you can't have a war on drugs, terrorism or illegals. The reason that it is impractical is because the war can never be finished. With whom do you sign the peace treaty?

I would then hazard to say that you yourself are engaged in several non-war wars -

• The war on dental health
• The war on mental health
• The war to survive

Over the top? Maybe.

The reason the "war on drugs" was so named was to stir up associations of past real wars in our population, so that they would see drugs as the enemy and support all efforts to "wipe them out". It was never envisioned to be a real war.

Unfortunately, as part of this naming convention there were deaths produced that might not have happened if they had not named it a "war". This war also, like all other wars, has produced gigantic profits for those in certain fields such as private prisons and public police departments.

The war on terrorism ... well, right after 9/11 when the U.S. military was essentially issued a hunting license, I see that as a bit more than just a random action - we were attacked so we did go off to find those responsible.

Just because there is no hope of reconciliation does not mean it cannot be a war.

 

[Denise1952]

Separation of church and State, we hardly knew ye.

I guess the stereotype has come full circle now - Mexican / South American kids lounging by the pool while po' white trash works as pool- and cabana boys ...

Not to mention there is no housing for "citizens" of the USA here in my area. Oh well, yes there is, but you have to stand in line behind about 500 other people. I lived in those projects when I was a kid, and they didn't have a pool then, and they don't have one now. They still have cockroaches though.

 

[SifuPhil]

Not to mention there is no housing for "citizens" of the USA here in my area. Oh well, yes there is, but you have to stand in line behind about 500 other people. I lived in those projects when I was a kid, and they didn't have a pool then, and they don't have one now. They still have cockroaches though.

Well, that's one of your inalienable rights as an American - the right to have roaches. Be proud and stand up for your rights!

 

[Denise1952]

Well, that's one of your inalienable rights as an American - the right to have roaches. Be proud and stand up for your rights!

LOL, yeah, we were to poor to have a dog or kitti, but we did have the roaches to play with.

I especially like what Misty had to say about "the point is". What the heck, illegal aliens being put up in a fancy, shmancy housing? I think O'bama's new theme song should be "if I only had a brain". I can't wait to hear what happens after their 15 day vacation?

 

[Jackie22]

President Obama is following the law that was passed in 2008......you can look the law up and see what it entails

READ BELOW

Unaccompanied minors fall under the bipartisan law, William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, which passed the House and Senate unanimously and was signed into law by President George W. Bush.

That law says the children cannot be sent back. They must instead be held humanely by the Department of Health and Human Services until the courts release them to a “suitable family member” in this country.
The child “shall be promptly placed in the least restrictive setting that is in the best interest of the child,” the law stipulates. “Placement of child trafficking victims may include placement in an Unaccompanied Refugee Minor program … if a suitable family member is not available to provide care.”
Department of Homeland Security (DHS) sources say more than 80 percent of these children will find permanent homes in the U.S., with either family or foster homes and not be sent back to Central America.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...-wave-u-s-law/

The below article has more on the 2008 law and how President Obama is trying to get it changed so that the illegal immigrates can be deported faster.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...rder/11915723/

Now I know it is really fun for some to get on the forum and spew Glen Beck and Fox news and to talk about burning flags with people in them and send in the jet bombers and to ridicule the President but just maybe a more constructive approach would be to press your congress person to change the law if you are unhappy about it.

 

[Denise1952]

President Obama is following the law that was passed in 2008......you can look the law up and see what it entails

READ BELOW

Unaccompanied minors fall under the bipartisan law, William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, which passed the House and Senate unanimously and was signed into law by President George W. Bush.

That law says the children cannot be sent back. They must instead be held humanely by the Department of Health and Human Services until the courts release them to a “suitable family member” in this country.
The child “shall be promptly placed in the least restrictive setting that is in the best interest of the child,” the law stipulates. “Placement of child trafficking victims may include placement in an Unaccompanied Refugee Minor program … if a suitable family member is not available to provide care.”
Department of Homeland Security (DHS) sources say more than 80 percent of these children will find permanent homes in the U.S., with either family or foster homes and not be sent back to Central America.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...-wave-u-s-law/

The below article has more on the 2008 law and how President Obama is trying to get it changed so that the illegal immigrates can be deported faster.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...rder/11915723/

Now I know it is really fun for some to get on the forum and spew Glen Beck and Fox news and to talk about burning flags with people in them and send in the jet bombers and to ridicule the President but just maybe a more constructive approach would be to press your congress person to change the law if you are unhappy about it.

Isn't trafficking when kids are brought across the border to be used for porn or something?? Is this the same thing? Doesn't sound right to me, I thought these were young people choosing to break the law themselves, not being used by others to make money? Are they "victims"?

 

[Denise1952]

Ok, so reading further Jackie, I see there is a loop-hole in the Act, so I see now why it is considered the legal thing to do. But I also wanted to mention you running down Fox News for one, because they spoke up for O'bama doing what the law states: http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-...r-for-Worse-Is-Following-Law-on-Border-Crisis.

And as far as "fun" I think both O'bama supporters, as well as non-supporters have equal amounts of fun. I do appreciate you sharing the law, I learned something today.

 

[kcvet]

My point is that it is impractical to declare war on anything other than a nation state. That's why you can't have a war on drugs, terrorism or illegals. The reason that it is impractical is because the war can never be finished. With whom do you sign the peace treaty?

if people die its a war. by any name

 

[kcvet]

President Obama is following the law that was passed in 2008......you can look the law up and see what it entails

READ BELOW

Unaccompanied minors fall under the bipartisan law, William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, which passed the House and Senate unanimously and was signed into law by President George W. Bush.

That law says the children cannot be sent back. They must instead be held humanely by the Department of Health and Human Services until the courts release them to a “suitable family member” in this country.
The child “shall be promptly placed in the least restrictive setting that is in the best interest of the child,” the law stipulates. “Placement of child trafficking victims may include placement in an Unaccompanied Refugee Minor program … if a suitable family member is not available to provide care.”
Department of Homeland Security (DHS) sources say more than 80 percent of these children will find permanent homes in the U.S., with either family or foster homes and not be sent back to Central America.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...-wave-u-s-law/

The below article has more on the 2008 law and how President Obama is trying to get it changed so that the illegal immigrates can be deported faster.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...rder/11915723/

Now I know it is really fun for some to get on the forum and spew Glen Beck and Fox news and to talk about burning flags with people in them and send in the jet bombers and to ridicule the President but just maybe a more constructive approach would be to press your congress person to change the law if you are unhappy about it.

well we're waiting. just anytime. before golf we hope. mean time their still pouing across. you mean writing your elected officials ??? we only hear from them at election time

 

[kcvet]

Kcvet, I followed your link and discovered that the statement that “one in five” illegal aliens today has a criminal record" is not as clear cut as it would seem. It seems to be a gross exaggeration not well founded in fact.



First, it is talking about adult males, not women and children and second,"more than likely already has a violent criminal record here in the United States, has been removed, and is returning" sounds like speculation to me. Also the wording that the other "one in ten is bringing with him or her their violent criminal tendencies and records from their own countries of which we don't know yet" is yet another sweeping and speculative generalisation. He doesn't know that and admits as much, yet word goes out that one in five is a violent criminal, not just in their home country but in the US as well. One of the comments below the report said "That aint nothing. Black men in America are 42% felons and 80% have an arrest record."

I don't think I'll bother looking up Justice with Judge Jeanine. She and I would probably not have the same views on what justice looks like.

For what it's worth, almost 100% of our first fleeters were felons and the rest, their guards, were a pretty violent lot. The first free settlers turned out to be mostly corrupt. From these unlikely beginnings good things developed. Sometimes people just need a chance.

give me a better source then. you need to take a real good look at how they live down there. 1 in 3 ??? its probably closer to 2 of 3. would your government give them a big sloppy kiss and welcome or detain them???