50 Million Dollar Resort For Illegals

I still say it's about the people that are citizens being taken care of first before we give more money to other countries. I mean, that confuses me more then anything. I've said it before with little response from anyone, but how can we help others if we are not taking care of ourselves? Can't we tighten border security? We're sending our military to god-knows-where to help others, and why aren't we sending them to the freaking border to stop this crap. Has everyone lost their minds?? Why is all this not being straightened out, is it money? I know it's the most powerful thing in the world, so I guess I just answered my own question.
 

This article states a different interpretation of this law.

2008 Trafficking Law Largely Inapplicable to Current Border Crisis
By Jon Feere July 2014


Jon Feere is the Legal Policy Analyst at the Center for Immigration Studies.

The recent influx of Central American illegal immigrants has resulted in a significant debate about how the United States should deal with the newly arrived families and children. Despite the attention it has received, by its own terms, the "William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008" — a law aimed, in part, at "unaccompanied alien children" who are victims of trafficking — may have little applicability to the current situation on the border:


It appears that a significant majority of children coming across are not "unaccompanied alien children" according to the definition found in federal law. Federal law defines an "unaccompanied alien child" as an illegal alien under the age of 18 who is without "a parent or legal guardian in the United States". Data from government agencies suggest that the overwhelming majority of minors arriving on the U.S. border have family in the United States.


There is little evidence to suggest that the recent arrivals are victims of trafficking, which involves coercion. Instead, families and their children are willing participants in smuggling operations, having paid smugglers to bring them into the United States. As ICE explains, "Human trafficking and human smuggling are distinct criminal activities, and the terms are not interchangeable."


Even where the 2008 trafficking act is applicable, provisions within the law allow its application to be limited in "exceptional circumstances", which — as one prominent Democratic senator recently suggested — might include the current border crisis.

http://cis.org/2008-trafficking-law-inapplicable-current-border-crisis
 
nwlady said:
I still say it's about the people that are citizens being taken care of first before we give more money to other countries. I mean, that confuses me more then anything. I've said it before with little response from anyone, but how can we help others if we are not taking care of ourselves? Can't we tighten border security? We're sending our military to god-knows-where to help others, and why aren't we sending them to the freaking border to stop this crap. Has everyone lost their minds?? Why is all this not being straightened out, is it money? I know it's the most powerful thing in the world, so I guess I just answered my own question.
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yes we have to stop being the world's cop. let someone else do it.
 

And it's like a lifeboat full of people, it will only hold so many. If you get too many folks "in the name of saving lives" you won't save anyone because the boat will sink, not to mention provisions like food and water, enough for all? NO, not in our present state, look how much we are in debt. I think it would be wonderful if we were set up to help everyone, but we aren't. America, the land of opportunity, is slowly becoming the opposite for many of us, and I'm one of them.
 
kcvet said:
yes we have to stop being the world's cop. let someone else do it.
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I have to agree with this too, but because we aren't taking care of our own country, not to mine, and a lot of other people's satisfaction. I mean, figure it out. You have 10 children, you work a 40 hour week to feed and cloth them. Well, you decide to help all the neighbors first, so you drop off the groceries, paycheck at the "poor" neighbors. What happens to your kids?
 
nwlady said:
I have to agree with this too, but because we aren't taking care of our own country, not to mine, and a lot of other people's satisfaction. I mean, figure it out. You have 10 children, you work a 40 hour week to feed and cloth them. Well, you decide to help all the neighbors first, so you drop off the groceries, paycheck at the "poor" neighbors. What happens to your kids?
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and we're spending millions to refugee's in foreign countries. funds that wind up in the hands of dictators who oppress and kill their own. we need those funds here and now for us. hey world, can ya spare us a dime??? no. drop dead
 
kcvet said:
and we're spending millions to refugee's in foreign countries. funds that wind up in the hands of dictators who oppress and kill their own. we need those funds here and now for us. hey world, can ya spare us a dime??? no. drop dead
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That's the truth, how much of our donations actually get to the "intended". It's like the guy down the street, the one, fancy house on the block, with a Mercedes parked in the driveway. Oh he's so rich, money to blow. Then you find out he's so far in debt he'll never be out. But hey, he just goes and gets some cash on his credit line and sends it off to someone in need. He's giving money that isn't even his to give.
 
nwlady said:
That's the truth, how much of our donations actually get to the "intended". It's like the guy down the street, the one, fancy house on the block, with a Mercedes parked in the driveway. Oh he's so rich, money to blow. Then you find out he's so far in debt he'll never be out. But hey, he just goes and gets some cash on his credit line and sends it off to someone in need. He's giving money that isn't even his to give.
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Good post, nwlady,,,,it describes the U.S. We have to keep borrowing money and we are deeply in debt. So much for being a wealthy country. As you mentioned, we can't even afford to help our legal citizens. Don't understand the business idea that to be successful, you borrow your way to success.
 
I think the smart peeps are learning, or re-learning to pay with cash if you want something (save up in other words). Yeah, this countries leaders need to be "leading" us out of debt, focus on "home" first. geeeeeeeeeeeeez, I gotta say it, you gotta be a pinhead to do anything but that!!
 
nwlady said:
And it's like a lifeboat full of people, it will only hold so many. If you get too many folks "in the name of saving lives" you won't save anyone because the boat will sink, not to mention provisions like food and water, enough for all? NO, not in our present state, look how much we are in debt. I think it would be wonderful if we were set up to help everyone, but we aren't. America, the land of opportunity, is slowly becoming the opposite for many of us, and I'm one of them.
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Love this analogy because it's quite close to the truth. How many more "citizens" can the economy support. How many more tax dollars can be taken from people already hurting for money. Our local school taxes are already high and keep on rising. Why, because we live on the border of a big city with failing schools so many city dwellers come to suburban schools illlegally(boundary or district hopping) or they just move to the suburbs. Caught boundary hoppers have included illegal immigrant children. Part of the reason for poor city schools is that many are overwhelmed by new citizens and/or illegal immigrant students.

The "system" and/or economy IS the over filled life boat at this point.
 
To all the above people complaining about how bad they've got it & how we should turn our backs on the rest of the world, I ask... how many meals have any of you missed? How many nights have you gone to bed hungry because you couldn't afford food due to it being given to foreigners & their children? When was the last time you spent the night sleeping outside on the sidewalk or underneath a bush on the side of a building because you have no money for a roof over your head due to your job being taken away by a foreigner?

The truth of the matter is that none of you have experienced any of that.

You are all members of one of the most comfortable, well-fed societies in the world & in it's entire history. The number of homeless people in this country is a miniscule percentage of our total population & many of them are homeless either of their own choosing or due to some mental illness, alcoholism or drug addiction that prevents them from leading a normal life.

And re: the question "...how can we help others if we are not taking care of ourselves?"... aside from a decent, affordable health care system which Obama has tried to fix & gotten nothing but resistance on, we ARE taking care of ourselves. Every senior citizen is entitled to a reasonably & in many cases, overly generous monthly Social Security check. Our poor & needy get food & shelter assistance.

Hell, the same people complaining that we "aren't taking care of our own" because we're giving too much to foreigners, are the same ones who are complaining that we're giving too much to needy Americans right here at home. Make up your minds!!!!

Face it... you all really just don't like the idea of the govt giving anybody anything.

The problem is not that the govt gives too much money away to foreigners, the problem is that too many Americans have gotten themselves mired in so much personal debt, when tough times come along, they're stuck with so many bills for things they've bought but didn't necessarily need, that they cry & complain that it's all the fault of foreigners & welfare recipients.

It amazes me that there are people who would be willing to sit & listen to reports of human suffering on the news every night & just think to themselves "too bad for them, just don't send any of our tax dollars there to help them".

And as for the comments about the US debt, most of that "debt" is not owed to foreign countries like China. Most of that debt is owed to Americans citizens right here in this country in the form of pensions, Social Security etc.


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Blaming foreigners for every little perceived imperfection in life has always been the favorite tactic of nationalists & xenophobes. America cannot shut it's doors & turn into an isolationist country, hell bent on taking care of only it's own. If we did that, we'd give up any influence we have in other regions of the world, & believe you me, countries like Russia & China would happily step in to fill the void. And you can bet that the economic & trade agreements they entered into with all these countries we abandoned in the name of taking care of numero uno, would not be beneficial to us at all.
 
MrJim said:
To all the above people complaining about how bad they've got it & how we should turn our backs on the rest of the world, I ask... how many meals have any of you missed? How many nights have you gone to bed hungry because you couldn't afford food due to it being given to foreigners & their children? When was the last time you spent the night sleeping outside on the sidewalk or underneath a bush on the side of a building because you have no money for a roof over your head due to your job being taken away by a foreigner?

The truth of the matter is that none of you have experienced any of that.

You are all members of one of the most comfortable, well-fed societies in the world & in it's entire history. The number of homeless people in this country is a miniscule percentage of our total population & many of them are homeless either of their own choosing or due to some mental illness, alcoholism or drug addiction that prevents them from leading a normal life.

And re: the question "...how can we help others if we are not taking care of ourselves?"... aside from a decent, affordable health care system which Obama has tried to fix & gotten nothing but resistance on, we ARE taking care of ourselves. Every senior citizen is entitled to a reasonably & in many cases, overly generous monthly Social Security check. Our poor & needy get food & shelter assistance.

Hell, the same people complaining that we "aren't taking care of our own" because we're giving too much to foreigners, are the same ones who are complaining that we're giving too much to needy Americans right here at home. Make up your minds!!!!

Face it... you all really just don't like the idea of the govt giving anybody anything.

The problem is not that the govt gives too much money away to foreigners, the problem is that too many Americans have gotten themselves mired in so much personal debt, when tough times come along, they're stuck with so many bills for things they've bought but didn't necessarily need, that they cry & complain that it's all the fault of foreigners & welfare recipients.

It amazes me that there are people who would be willing to sit & listen to reports of human suffering on the news every night & just think to themselves "too bad for them, just don't send any of our tax dollars there to help them".

And as for the comments about the US debt, most of that "debt" is not owed to foreign countries like China. Most of that debt is owed to Americans citizens right here in this country in the form of pensions, Social Security etc.


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Blaming foreigners for every little perceived imperfection in life has always been the favorite tactic of nationalists & xenophobes. America cannot shut it's doors & turn into an isolationist country, hell bent on taking care of only it's own. If we did that, we'd give up any influence we have in other regions of the world, & believe you me, countries like Russia & China would happily step in to fill the void. And you can bet that the economic & trade agreements they entered into with all these countries we abandoned in the name of taking care of numero uno, would not be beneficial to us at all.
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you runnin' for office??
 
Jim,

It's ludicrous for anyone to think they can help others if they have nothing to give, I have a heart for less fortunates, but again, I can't give away something I don't have. denise

PS and one more thing, I have gone without meals in my life, not by choice, and I have lived in a shelter because I had no job to pay for a roof over my head. Now you can say "well there's always work for the ones that want to work, which is no longer true in this country. I am just now getting to pet-sit for a living, and I am a qualified Administrative Assistant/AP Clerk. I could and would work in a motel, but the work is too strenuous for me now. I'm not in some teenie minority either, I know lots of good folks that are fighting to keep food on the table, and a roof over their heads in America.
 
MrJim said:
Blaming foreigners for every little perceived imperfection in life has always been the favorite tactic of nationalists & xenophobes. America cannot shut it's doors & turn into an isolationist country, hell bent on taking care of only it's own. If we did that, we'd give up any influence we have in other regions of the world, & believe you me, countries like Russia & China would happily step in to fill the void. And you can bet that the economic & trade agreements they entered into with all these countries we abandoned in the name of taking care of numero uno, would not be beneficial to us at all.
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I'm not thrilled about refugees flooding into the US, but they're here and I think we're dealing with it as well as can be expected. I don't love Obama, but it seems to me that every issue is blown out of proportion in the news by those who still have sour grapes over this President's two electoral victories. Our high taxes and economic condition is not caused by letting some immigrants across the border, although having all of them here does make matters a bit worse. But haven't much poorer countries like Jordon and Syria dealt with all the refugees from the Iraq war, when the US invaded Iraq?

I think that part of the reason we are in so much debt and in such a hole economically, is that we allow large corporations tax breaks when they set up in other countries like China. Also, look at the huge amounts that we've thrown away on senseless wars, etc.

http://costsofwar.org/article/economic-cost-summary


I think the facts were always known that we took some of the land in the US away from the Mexicans to begin with, so their coming here is not that much of a surprise now, tables are turning, but many don't want to look at the realities of what happened long ago...http://www.cbsnews.com/news/americas...-the-border/3/


Greenberg says the conflict matters today because "A lot of people live in land that was taken from Mexico in this war, taken from Mexico, and they're not aware of that. I believe a lot of the immigration debate that's going on now operates in a vacuum, where people are not realizing that in fact Mexicans are here in lands that once belonged to Mexico."
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I agree that we should take care of ourselves first, but we have been spiraling downwards long before this border flooding, what about addressing all those decisions that the government has been making for decades now, instead of fussing with each other over some immigrants?

An EMP from a nuclear attack can take down the US in a heartbeat. Russia and China have already insulated and prepared their electrical grid in case of attack, either nuclear or solar. The US government is aware of the threat to America, and the fact that only a minute amount of the population (if any) would survive such a thing, but they're gonna fight back and forth with each other over every little thing, instead of leading this country and taking care of the American people.
 
I was thinking about the "debt" talk, which I was one that mentioned it, and I realize I am not so much talking about the National debt, as I am talking about "helping" our own country first, so that people have something to "give".

I don't think illegal immigrants are our only problem either, but that was just the topic. I think the whole world is spiraling downwards, and that's why people are freaking out girding their loins.

PS America became rich and powerful, so we had lots to give and share. A bank doesn't just keep giving out loans to folks that don't pay back, so I am still talking about the debt. Well, maybe I am just to simple-minded, but that's something I don't get.
 
SeaBreeze said:
I'm not thrilled about refugees flooding into the US, but they're here and I think we're dealing with it as well as can be expected. I don't love Obama, but it seems to me that every issue is blown out of proportion in the news by those who still have sour grapes over this President's two electoral victories. Our high taxes and economic condition is not caused by letting some immigrants across the border, although having all of them here does make matters a bit worse. But haven't much poorer countries like Jordon and Syria dealt with all the refugees from the Iraq war, when the US invaded Iraq?

I think that part of the reason we are in so much debt and in such a hole economically, is that we allow large corporations tax breaks when they set up in other countries like China. Also, look at the huge amounts that we've thrown away on senseless wars, etc.

http://costsofwar.org/article/economic-cost-summary


I think the facts were always known that we took some of the land in the US away from the Mexicans to begin with, so their coming here is not that much of a surprise now, tables are turning, but many don't want to look at the realities of what happened long ago...http://www.cbsnews.com/news/americas...-the-border/3/




I agree that we should take care of ourselves first, but we have been spiraling downwards long before this border flooding, what about addressing all those decisions that the government has been making for decades now, instead of fussing with each other over some immigrants?

An EMP from a nuclear attack can take down the US in a heartbeat. Russia and China have already insulated and prepared their electrical grid in case of attack, either nuclear or solar. The US government is aware of the threat to America, and the fact that only a minute amount of the population (if any) would survive such a thing, but they're gonna fight back and forth with each other over every little thing, instead of leading this country and taking care of the American people.
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if you can afford it old missile silos are still for sale. and many have bought them
 
MrJim said:
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Let's stop abortion for what I believe to be the wrong reasons. If I could adopt a child, I for one could not deal with a juvenile that breaks the law, just too old to take that on. I would also adopt one of my countries homeless children/orphans first. I am too tired to type anymore right now, but I do see where you are coming from in much of your input Jim, it's just that we all have different ways of seeing things, especially when we are in dire straits ourselves. I agree we have more that many countries, I'd me totally stupid if I didn't know that, but there are things that need repair at home, first, not "only" just first.
 
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The ‘Boat People of Vietnam’ seemed to encapsulate all the suffering Vietnam had suffered from 1955 to1975. Despite the end of the Vietnam war, tragedy for the people of Vietnam continued into 1978-79. The term ‘Boat People’ not only applies to the refugees who fled Vietnam but also to the people of Cambodia and Laos who did the same but tend to come under the same umbrella term. The term ‘Vietnamese Boat People’ tends to be associated with only those in the former South who fled the new Communist government. However, people in what was North Vietnam who had an ethnic Chinese background fled to Hong Kong at the same time fearing some form of retribution from the government in Hanoi

the US took in 823,000, Britain 19,000, France 96,000, Australia and Canada 137,000 each

isn't it strange those we took in are LEGAL citizens today ??? you never hear anything about them. could the world step up here and help out?? they did then. you tell me

 
kcvet said:
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The ‘Boat People of Vietnam’ seemed to encapsulate all the suffering Vietnam had suffered from 1955 to1975. Despite the end of the Vietnam war, tragedy for the people of Vietnam continued into 1978-79. The term ‘Boat People’ not only applies to the refugees who fled Vietnam but also to the people of Cambodia and Laos who did the same but tend to come under the same umbrella term. The term ‘Vietnamese Boat People’ tends to be associated with only those in the former South who fled the new Communist government. However, people in what was North Vietnam who had an ethnic Chinese background fled to Hong Kong at the same time fearing some form of retribution from the government in Hanoi

the US took in 823,000, Britain 19,000, France 96,000, Australia and Canada 137,000 each

isn't it strange those we took in are LEGAL citizens today ??? you never hear anything about them. could the world step up here and help out?? they did then. you tell me
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This is a good point, makes me wonder, ty KC, denise
 
Just a side fact. The new Governor of South Australia, a post that means that he is the Queen's representative, is a former Vietnamese boat person who came here with his family as a boy. It is his signature that will appear on every piece of legislation passed in the SA parliament until he steps down.

During the time of the Vietnamese inflow there were quite a few unaccompanied minors. We even had a planeload of infants who have been thrust at the departing soldiers by their distraught mothers. Some of these got into trouble with the law and were recruited by gangs but the majority have grown up to embrace Australian values and the Australian way of life. Overall, they have been an asset, just as every other wave of immigrants has been. They don't add to the national debt over their lifetimes. Quite the opposite in reality.
 
Something came to mind, thinking about this situation last night. I know it was mentioned about "helping" others, including me talking about helping our own first. I remembered what I've learned over the years about the difference between helping, and enabling. I know it was brought up about griping on the help that is given to those that basically, I feel don't deserve it. There's a fine line there too, like is alcoholism a disease, or a bad habit.

I was just thinking that I am for drug testing folks that want government funds, and rehab going with the "help" that's given out. Yes, help our own, but don't enable people to stay in their ruts. Helping folks from other countries is something America has always done, but is there enabling going on in those situations as well.

I realize how much I don't know, and I sure don't know what should be done, or not done about the problems in the world. I know our country (people) are so divided on everything that comes up, it scares me. I used to always hear it said, a country divided can't stand, something like that. So where are we headed. I think I need to get off this thread, I am getting really depressed. It's so hard to take care of my, little piece of life, let alone get in and try to fix what's going on in the rest of the world. Guess I'm selfish.
 
Nwlady,
Good posts there,

One of the biggest reasons and total disappointment why this country is going downhill is very easy to figure out.
Point your finger towards Washington,D.C. and every elected official that works there including the President.
Ive lived in this country long enough to watch all politicians at work doing what they think is best for this country.
So far,IMO,they have done very little if anything to get this county moving again but on the other hand the voters have to share this blame too by reelecting those do-nothing members of Congress over and over again.

OK Ill get off the speakers box now,I said my piece.
 

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