A new COVID-19 mutation more contagious than Delta

CarolfromTX said:
My husbands pain was excruciating. He was horribly uncomfortable all the time, probably because he stubbornly refused to consider it until the pain was so great. He was out of pain, hip wise, immediately after surgery. Still is. Maybe he just had a really good surgeon, but that’s his reality.
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I know that pain. It is very sharp and it is hard to get into a position that relieves it. Hard to sleep as well. Over the counter meds can only do so much. When I was waiting for shoulder replacements my GP prescribed analgesic patches but you can't stay on them very long. I'm glad to hear that his surgeon was competent.
 

StarSong said:
Pandemic level viruses don't care if we become bored and angry. They continue wreaking havoc apace until eventually herd immunity diminishes their ability to find new hosts or they settle into non-lethal variants.

We all learned as children that gravity doesn't give a crap how we feel about it. It does its thing whether or not we believe in it. Same with this virus.

People who remain unvaccinated, don't wear masks in public, mingle in large crowds, etc. do so at their own risk. Also, unfortunately at the risk of the immune compromised.

The vaccine has helped me to have a much more relaxed life than a year ago. Yes, I still wear masks in stores, but I freely visit with (vaxxed) friends and family, eat at outdoor restaurants, travel locally, and am generally less concerned than I was.

Should a quite lethal variant arise that isn't covered by current vaccines, I'll return to a more restricted life until a booster is developed.
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Very well said, thank you.
 
StarSong said:
The vaccines do physically protect me. That said, I don't want even a mild breakthrough case, even though the vaccine and booster are excellent protection from severe illness.

I avoid unvaccinated relatives (my friends have all been vaxxed). To be blunt, if they don't care enough about themselves and others to get vaccinated, I'd rather not be around them.

Note: No one in my circle is medically prohibited from getting a vaccine.
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I'm not around many people, but everyone in my circle of friends has been wise and responsible enough to get fully vaccinated. They also wear masks when needed, as I and my husband do. I wouldn't socialize with anyone indoors who was not fully vaccinated. Hopefully soon they won't be permitted to fly on planes or frequent any business establishments unless they have a vaccine card. This is the pandemic of the unvaccinated, and until these people act responsibly, instead of fretting about losing their freedumb, we won't get back to normal in this country.
 
SeaBreeze said:
I'm not around many people, but everyone in my circle of friends has been wise and responsible enough to get fully vaccinated. They also wear masks when needed, as I and my husband do. I wouldn't socialize with anyone indoors who was not fully vaccinated. Hopefully soon they won't be permitted to fly on planes or frequent any business establishments unless they have a vaccine card. This is the pandemic of the unvaccinated, and until these people act responsibly, instead of fretting about losing their freedumb, we won't get back to normal in this country.
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Isn’t it funny that those who claim to have lost their freedom can never state exactly what freedom they lost?
 
Pepper said:
Well, Aneeda, I guess restaurants & football games & concerts?
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Really? 😂

The things you mention are not freedoms. These things are privileges, not rights. You have the freedom to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Happiness is constrained by budget issues.

Constrained freedom of speech-you actually can curse the President of the United States and not be shot. Try cursing the President of Russia-see what happens to you. Freedom of the press-one of our more important freedoms. Freedom of religion. Freedom to bear arms-a biggie to some. Freedom of assembly. These are freedoms.

Btw, do you go to football games? Cause I can go to one now, but it’s too cold. Do you go to restaurants? I’ve been able to do that for months, why can’t you? And Broadway opened a while back. Concerts are up and running in some places. Las Vegas is open 😊.

Edited: There are actually 27 freedoms listed under the constitution-none of them mention the right to go to restaurants, football games, or concerts.
 
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SeaBreeze said:
I'm not around many people, but everyone in my circle of friends has been wise and responsible enough to get fully vaccinated. They also wear masks when needed, as I and my husband do. I wouldn't socialize with anyone indoors who was not fully vaccinated. Hopefully soon they won't be permitted to fly on planes or frequent any business establishments unless they have a vaccine card. This is the pandemic of the unvaccinated, and until these people act responsibly, instead of fretting about losing their freedumb, we won't get back to normal in this country.
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😂 "This is the pandemic of the unvaccinated." 😂
 
win231 said:
😂 "This is the pandemic of the unvaccinated." 😂
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The stats seem to confirm that statement when it comes to hospitalisations and deaths.
At least it does in Australia. This is from a publication from the Royal Australian College of General Practioners RACGP - Unvaccinated patients dominate COVID deaths and ICU

If you want more recent reports I suggest you use use a search engine using "covid vaccinated vs unvaccinated" Look for medical reports.

Unvaccinated patients dominate COVID deaths and ICU​

Most people who have died from COVID-19 in NSW had not received a vaccine, while no one under 70 has died having received two doses. Less than 2% of people admitted to intensive care in New South Wales in the first 11 weeks of the recent outbreak were fully vaccinated, the latest NSW Health weekly surveillance report shows.

The document, which gives a breakdown of the vaccination status of all those who enter the hospital system with COVID-19, also shows that none of the 15 fully vaccinated patients who died of the disease were under 70.

The latest report covers the week from 29 August until 4 September, the most recent period for which official data has been released in the state at the centre of the largest COVID-19 outbreak so far in Australia. It indicates 4654 people were hospitalised due to COVID-19 from the beginning of the outbreak in June until that time, of which around 9% (441) were treated in ICU.

Of the total admitted to hospital, 153 (3.3%) were confirmed as fully vaccinated, while 844 (18.1%) were partially vaccinated and the rest (3657) were unvaccinated, or their vaccination status was unable to be established.

In total 284 unvaccinated people (64.4%) had been treated in ICU during the latest outbreak up to 4 September. Seventy patients (15.9%) who received intensive care were categorised as partially vaccinated, while eight (1.8%) were fully vaccinated. The remaining 79 people treated in ICU had an undetermined vaccination status.

Professor Dimity Pond, an honorary professor of general practice at the University of Newcastle, said the figures in the surveillance reports correspond with expectations about the vaccines.

‘That’s the kind of pattern that we’ve been seeing where the deaths are very largely in people who aren’t vaccinated,’ Professor Pond told newsGP. ‘It’s really hard data. It can’t be interpreted in any way other than vaccination means that you’re less likely to die.’

Until 4 September, there were 129 confirmed COVID deaths within NSW – again mostly among the unvaccinated. Of those deaths, 15 (11.6%) were confirmed as fully vaccinated, including six people in their 70s, five in their 80s and four in their 90s.

For Professor Pond, the data underlines the importance of caution even when the protection from the vaccines is deemed strongest.

‘The lesson I take from that is for older people, you can still get COVID if you are vaccinated, particularly if you’ve got underlying conditions,’ she said. ‘And it’s still worth, therefore, social distancing and wearing the mask and being careful.’
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Pepper said:
Well, Aneeda, I guess restaurants & football games & concerts?
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Those who used to have a job they went to daily for years, no longer have the freedom to do so unless they are vaccinated.

They are being or were forced out of employment, now have loss of income, children of those families are or will be receiving less food or lesser quality of food due to parent/parents loss of income.

They can no longer pay their rent or mortgage, insurance etc.

I doubt any of them gives a sh*t about not going to dine in restaurants, concerts or football games.

Yes their are some jobs that have always required some vaccinations, Not All jobs.
 
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Warrigal said:
The stats seem to confirm that statement when it comes to hospitalisations and deaths.
At least it does in Australia. This is from a publication from the Royal Australian College of General Practioners RACGP - Unvaccinated patients dominate COVID deaths and ICU

If you want more recent reports I suggest you use use a search engine using "covid vaccinated vs unvaccinated" Look for medical reports.
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It does in the United States also, or I wouldn't have repeated that. Some people are still denying the pandemic and condemning the vaccines, for no valid or realistic reason.
 
Warrigal said:
The stats seem to confirm that statement when it comes to hospitalisations and deaths.
At least it does in Australia. This is from a publication from the Royal Australian College of General Practioners RACGP - Unvaccinated patients dominate COVID deaths and ICU

If you want more recent reports I suggest you use use a search engine using "covid vaccinated vs unvaccinated" Look for medical reports.
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Yes, the stats seem to confirm that statement......provided you swallow everything you're fed by people who are required to be on the same page as far as selling vaccines - one after another, endlessly.
And that photo of someone supposedly dying of Covid who just happens to be morbidly obese? At that weight, he would already have trouble breathing - Covid or not. Vaccinated or not.

What's the recovery rate of COVID-19?
Experts don't have information about the outcome of every infection. However, early estimates predict that the overall COVID-19 recovery rate is between 97% and 99.75%. Aug 7, 2021

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1...X0KHbdfBL0Qzmd6BAgQEAU&biw=1440&bih=757&dpr=1
 
win231 said:
Yes, the stats seem to confirm that statement......provided you swallow everything you're fed by people who are required to be on the same page as far as selling vaccines - one after another, endlessly.
And that photo of someone supposedly dying of Covid who just happens to be morbidly obese? At that weight, he would already have trouble breathing - Covid or not. Vaccinated or not.

What's the recovery rate of COVID-19?
Experts don't have information about the outcome of every infection. However, early estimates predict that the overall COVID-19 recovery rate is between 97% and 99.75%. Aug 7, 2021

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS894US894&q=What's+the+recovery+rate+of+COVID-19?&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiU1diBxMH0AhWBMX0KHbdfBL0Qzmd6BAgQEAU&biw=1440&bih=757&dpr=1
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This link has an explanation of how covid death rates are calculated using simple graphics..

It then goes on to provide the official mortality data by vaccination status published by the United States, England, and Chile. The data is updated weekly. You can examine it for different ages.

How do death rates from COVID-19 differ between people who are vaccinated and those who are not? - Our World in Data
 
Becky1951 said:
Those who used to have a job they went to daily for years, no longer have the freedom to do so unless they are vaccinated.

They are being or were forced out of employment, now have loss of income, children of those families are or will be receiving less food or lesser quality of food due to parent/parents loss of income.

They can no longer pay their rent or mortgage, insurance etc.

I doubt any of them gives a sh*t about not going to dine in restaurants, concerts or football games.

Yes their are some jobs that have always required some vaccinations, Not All jobs.
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Having a job, unfortunately is not a freedom or an entitlement, or a right. Going to a job is not a freedom or a right. Employers have a dress code and apparently a vaccination code. Employers get to make the rules. It has always been this way. Follow the rules or find another job. Freedom of choice still exist. Take the vaccine or don’t. Your choice.

Yes, life is hard. During the Great Depression there was no pandemic, but there was a massive loss of jobs, mortgages, homes, lives, and no access to food for many. Farmers plowed crops under while Americans by the thousands starved and waited in food lines for a cup of soup.

JC said something to the effect that “the poor will always be among us”. 😱. Well, he nailed that one.

And I am not the one who brought up football games etc. @Becky1951
 
Aneeda72 said:
Having a job, unfortunately is not a freedom or an entitlement, or a right. Going to a job is not a freedom or a right. Employers have a dress code and apparently a vaccination code. Employers get to make the rules. It has always been this way. Follow the rules or find another job. Freedom of choice still exist. Take the vaccine or don’t. Your choice.
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Exactly

People can choose their actions but they cannot choose the consequences of those actions.
 
Aneeda72 said:
Having a job, unfortunately is not a freedom or an entitlement, or a right. Going to a job is not a freedom or a right. Employers have a dress code and apparently a vaccination code. Employers get to make the rules. It has always been this way. Follow the rules or find another job. Freedom of choice still exist. Take the vaccine or don’t. Your choice.

Yes, life is hard. During the Great Depression there was no pandemic, but there was a massive loss of jobs, mortgages, homes, lives, and no access to food for many. Farmers plowed crops under while Americans by the thousands starved and waited in food lines for a cup of soup.

JC said something to the effect that “the poor will always be among us”. 😱. Well, he nailed that one.

And I am not the one who brought up football games etc. @Becky1951
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The difference is, a dress code does not have an effect on an employee's health. A vaccine does.
 
Ladybj said:
People have valid reasons not to get vaccinated... no one is listening. Just as people have valid reasons for others to get vaccinated.
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That is due to Sheep Mentality.
Those who choose to get vaccinated gain confidence in their decision by others who make the same decision. Consequently, those who don't choose to get vaccinated shake the confidence of those who do.
Realistically, those who are vaccinated don't have much confidence in the vaccine, though they don't directly admit it. They do indirectly admit it by criticizing those who don't get vaccinated. If they had confidence in the vaccines, they wouldn't be concerned because their vaccine would protect them from others who are not vaccinated.
 
AGREE that this is due to Sheep Mentality.
Those who choose to not get vaccinated gain confidence in their decision by others who make the same decision. Consequently, those who do choose to get vaccinated shake the confidence of those who do.

Realistically, those who are unvaccinated don't have much confidence in the decision, though they don't directly admit it. They do indirectly admit it by criticizing those who do get vaccinated. If they had confidence in being unvaccinated they wouldn't be concerned because their unvaccinated status would be adequate protection against this virus.
 

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