Am genuinely worried about what is happening in UK

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What does that mean??

I have tried to post in civil non personal way - what does keep talking myself into extinction mean?
 

 

I don't think that - I think all viewpoints will exist and I don't think extremes will be the majority.
Some viewpoints like that of the KKK would be best ceasing to exist but unfortunately I think pockets of such will remain.

However my point before about far rights idealised view of 'normal' remains.
 

January said:
Plain as day how though??

with no evidence or figures or stats or anything - how is this plain other than by your perception?

I know it is a nuisance when people want actual evidence or sources of claims and you haven't got any. :rolleyes:
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If you can't see that the Uk has a current issue with immigrants, then you never will. No stat or link will show you.

But on the gov.uk website, crime started rising significantly 2013/14. Around the same time a year before the Uk started taking in a mass influx of foreigners.

Believe what you want, I don't care.
 
Magna-Carta said:
Give me strength Taxz. I got halfway down your post and gave up reading. So full of assumptions and false accusations. And you with a degree in Philosophy and minors in Psychology and sociology. Never mind
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Yes and Philo has taught me the following,
A fact is information minus emotion, an opinion is the information plus experience.
I have been on this earth and experienced a lot of realities in my life. I can see the truth in things, and see the cause and effect. You refer to causation-correlation proof. You don't need 'proof' in the form of links, stats, figures etc, to see what is right in front of your eyes.

A good quote...
The sheep will spend its entire life fearing the wolf, only to be eaten by the shepherd.
 
Priti Patel, former Home Secretary thinks MP's should return to Westminster: "The Government is now in danger of appearing to be swept away with events rather than maintaining control of them."
 
Britain and Europe are just not in the mindset for mass immigration and never were. I saw that in the 1960's, especially when I lived in Zurich and saw massive use of Yugoslavian MALES in Switzerland. They were not allowed, by law, to bring spouses or children, and after work hours roamed the streets, often bothering young women. I and my female friend actually had to take matters into our own hands. We were in a situation, and Beat Up a Yugoslavian male who wouldn't leave us alone. Never beat up a Guy in my life, before or since, and boy was that exhilarating! And necessary.

However, although I saw certain countries being more daring than us in the States, in the 1960's I was surprised, shocked really, to see adverts with interracial couples when the States were so far behind this. I knew it was just flirtation on the part of the Europeans and soon they would be tired of 'vive la differance' and I was right.

Europe not set up for large waves of immigrants, particularly if they are dark and/or Muslim. Too many, too fast, too hard to ignore, too many to 'assimilate.'
 
Tazx said:
If you can't see that the Uk has a current issue with immigrants, then you never will. No stat or link will show you.

But on the gov.uk website, crime started rising significantly 2013/14. Around the same time a year before the Uk started taking in a mass influx of foreigners.

Believe what you want, I don't care.
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I believe what objective evidence shows me. and you have not provided any.

to do otherwise means confirmation bias - ie believing something because that is what we already decided, not because evidence shows such.
 
Tazx said:
Yes and Philo has taught me the following,
A fact is information minus emotion, an opinion is the information plus experience.
I have been on this earth and experienced a lot of realities in my life. I can see the truth in things, and see the cause and effect. You refer to causation-correlation proof. You don't need 'proof' in the form of links, stats, figures etc, to see what is right in front of your eyes.

A good quote...
The sheep will spend its entire life fearing the wolf, only to be eaten by the shepherd.
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And there we have it, ladies and gentlemen. We don't need proof of anything, and therefore, no doubt, Tazx won't provide any. He has it all figured out purely from his own experiences.

Empirical proof, such as statistics, studies, and figures, is objective and verifiable, reducing the influence of personal biases and emotions. These things are therefore open to review by all, not just the one.

These kinds of threads/discussions generally just go around in circles, with nothing provided that enables everyone to move forward in the discussion. They drag everything down to a lowest common denominator within the realms of heresy. When left with heresy vs facts and evidence, it becomes clear that rational discourse and progress are hampered, leaving only confusion in their wake.

I think eventually people are going to get bored with it.
 
January said:
Plain as day how though??

with no evidence or figures or stats or anything - how is this plain other than by your perception?

I know it is a nuisance when people want actual evidence or sources of claims and you haven't got any. :rolleyes:
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We only have to look at the Covid thread he created, with what seems to be an, I’m right & everyone else is wrong” kind of thread. The, “How can anyone still believe in covid?” thread. The one that was locked but is still available to read.

A thread where personal emotions and biases are better than facts data and evidence. Where the limitations of personal experience outweigh anything more tangible.
 
Pepper said:
Britain and Europe are just not in the mindset for mass immigration and never were. I saw that in the 1960's, especially when I lived in Zurich and saw massive use of Yugoslavian MALES in Switzerland. They were not allowed, by law, to bring spouses or children, and after work hours roamed the streets, often bothering young women. I and my female friend actually had to take matters into our own hands. We were in a situation, and Beat Up a Yugoslavian male who wouldn't leave us alone. Never beat up a Guy in my life, before or since, and boy was that exhilarating! And necessary.

However, although I saw certain countries being more daring than us in the States, in the 1960's I was surprised, shocked really, to see adverts with interracial couples when the States were so far behind this. I knew it was just flirtation on the part of the Europeans and soon they would be tired of 'vive la differance' and I was right.

Europe not set up for large waves of immigrants, particularly if they are dark and/or Muslim. Too many, too fast, too hard to ignore, too many to 'assimilate.'
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this is the simple truth... and I wish our government would recognise it..

The biggest complaint coming out from Ireland currently.. who are the latest to have hoards of single men roaming their streets is precisely what you say Pepper.. that the women are in real danger from them. Aside from that they're camping out on the pavements... ( california homeless style).... and being abusive and threatening to anyone that goes near them with a camera...

 
So, what is the reason for the increase in crime in the uk since 2014?

The recent influx of migrants from Africa and the Middle East seeking asylum in Europe has triggered a crisis. Governments face the intricate task of reconciling humanitarian law with the impact on their societies, economies and security. This paper finds that substantial inflows, particularly of asylum seekers, can increase the likelihood of terrorist attacks and communal violence:

  • Over the course of a decade (2013-2023), there has been a 667% surge in antisemitic hate incidents.
  • Nearly 80% of all charges related to terrorism in the UK since 2001 were connected to a group or ideology based outside of the country, i.e., ‘international terrorism’.
  • The top foreign nationals involved in UK terror-related offenses from 2002 to 2021 were people from Algeria, Iraq, Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, Turkey, Somalia, India, and Sri Lanka. With the exception of Algeria, all these countries are among the top 20 nationalities engaged in illegal crossings of the English Channel.
  • 94% of those arrested for terrorism-related offences in 2021/22 were men. This statistic is particularly significant given the substantial number of male migrants arriving illegally across the English Channel. Since January 2018, 70% of irregular arrivals have been adult males aged 18 and over.
  • Foreign national offenders (FNOs) constitute 12% of the total prison population, with a 3% increase in foreign national offenders compared to the previous year.
  • Albanians, who illegally crossed the Channel in record numbers until the agreement to return them to Albania was made, are the most prevalent nationality in prison after British nationals.
  • Although most immigrants adhere to the law, certain demographics show a higher propensity for criminal activity. Academic research into crime rates in Sweden, Denmark and other Nordic nations like Norway and Finland has highlighted this disparity.
  • In addition, the security threats posed by immigration span across many generations, as shown by the disproportionate number of Muslims being arrested for group localised child sexual exploitation (GLCSE) in the United Kingdom.
You can turn a blind eye to the truth if you like. I don't give a rats arse what you think.
As for your comments towards me and my posts...don't read them and respond.
If all you think is that they go in circles, well then get out of the circle.
I made a post, stand by it, you object. Done. It's my opinion. You don't like it or agree with it, too bad. Don't care.

Time to move on.
 
bingo said:
if we look at the big picture...the world's societies...nations...peoples...are being orchestrated to promote hate...fear...evil.....
we must realize the source...
i pray for all
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I'm not following - What is the source?

Refugees are coming from countries broken by war, upheaval, persecution - but I don't think we are being orchestrated to promote hate or fear or evil.

Except for groups like those encouraging thuggery and riots - they are certainly promoting hate and fear.
 
TAZX c an we have a source for that please - is general good practice to cite sources of information. Not just ' this paper'

It seems a lot of putting 1 and 2 together to make 10 - ie facts ( assuming the facts and stats quoted are correct) put together with no actual connection between them.
 
Actually no need,and you have moved on - I found it myself.

Is from Migration Watch, UK - they seem a group with an agenda and they don't say where they accessed their statistics.
 
January said:
Actually no need,and you have moved on - I found it myself.

Is from Migration Watch, UK - they seem a group with an agenda and they don't say where they accessed their statistics.
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I think the campaign & pressure group, Migration Watch UK, gets their statistics from Tazx, and from any individual or organization that engages in Circular Reasoning.
 
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January said:
Actually no need,and you have moved on - I found it myself.

Is from Migration Watch, UK - they seem a group with an agenda and they don't say where they accessed their statistics.
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Migration Watch very specifically campaigns for a lower number of immigration. As such, yes, that's their agenda. Their Chairman is, in fact, an immigrant himself. They are a lobby organization.

Magna-Carta said:
These kinds of threads/discussions generally just go around in circles, with nothing provided that enables everyone to move forward in the discussion. They drag everything down to a lowest common denominator within the realms of heresy. When left with heresy vs facts and evidence, it becomes clear that rational discourse and progress are hampered, leaving only confusion in their wake.

I think eventually people are going to get bored with it.
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Hey, don't forget generalizations. :D

So far there have been 400 arrests of the thugs rioting in the UK. Nowhere near enough, but a start. Now let's see some tough sentencing.

Cinderella said:
Do read a lot, do look at media platforms. Do not judge. Ethical behaviour is characterized by honesty, fairness, and rights of individuals and groups of people. Just listen to what people have to say on both sides.
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It's difficult to listen to the rioters when they're not ethical, not being honest, are not playing fair, nor are they concerned with the rights of individuals. It's thuggery. It's an attempt to make change by force. Frankly, they're an embarrassment to our nation.
 
Perhaps I'm seeing this as an American, (of course I am) but in my book such outward racist behavior is disgusting.....as I said, Europe was never set up for this, but that still doesn't excuse burning down buildings with people inside. There is no justification. It's bottled rage, yes it is, but still cannot condone such ugly hatred. Those beautiful girls didn't die so people can piss on those they don't care for. They shouldn't have died at all, but now that's in the hands of the law.
 
Pepper said:
Perhaps I'm seeing this as an American, (of course I am) but in my book such outward racist behavior is disgusting.....as I said, Europe was never set up for this, but that still doesn't excuse burning down buildings with people inside. There is no justification. It's bottled rage, yes it is, but still cannot condone such ugly hatred. Those beautiful girls didn't die so people can piss on those they don't care for. They shouldn't have died at all, but now that's in the hands of the law.
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Not that they care, but for me they invalidate any point they may have by rioting like this. It just turns them into criminals. It's a stain on British culture. Quite how you can claim to be protecting our culture whilst you're burning it down is anyone's guess.
 
Cinderella said:
This current government most certainly are a disgrace, have doubts as too how long they will last.
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They're been in power for five weeks. :D

They won an election. Period. They're not a disgrace. The rioters - yes. How long with the current government last? Well, in five years or so we'll have another election, so we'll see.
 
I am just fed up, not left or right. Not a member of any organisation or political party. The rhetoric is very disturbing, dehumanising ordinary people. I worry that PM will make situation worse for all communities, all lives matter.
 
Cinderella said:
I am just fed up, not left or right. Not a member of any organisation or political party. The rhetoric is very disturbing, dehumanising ordinary people. I worry that PM will make situation worse for all communities, all lives matter.
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I agree, but alas there are a lot of people who have become indoctrinated with extremist views via Social Media. The internet allows it to spread and gives people a false sense of what a nation really believes. Ultimately the riots will stop, and the police will use this as a learning exercise should it arise again.
 

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