American airstrikes on Venezuela, with Chinooks possibly flying in US military personnel.

RambleTamble said:
There are U.S. bombs being dropped there; they're just not being dropped by the U.S. Israel is doing the dropping, but they are U.S. made bombs. Pretty much all munitions used by Israel are made in the U.S.A.
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The U.S. sells munitions, including bombs to several countries, probably over 100.
 

Sunny said:
I haven't seen anything like this since Hitler helped himself to Poland. This could be leading into an unstoppable world war.
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It does feel like Venezuela is a test to see how the world reacts and that confidence is building to continue United States aggression.

I am concerned about Greenland and Canada.

If you look at a world map Greenland and Canada would create a clear border wall for the United States along the Arctic Sea facing Russia, China, India, etc…
 
Aunt Bea said:
It does feel like Venezuela is a test to see how the world reacts and that confidence is building to continue United States aggression.
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It does test the popular US sentiment's trusting the judgement of one person to take that action. It did seem like a war that came out of the blue, without warning, congressional approval, and possibly in violation of "international law" (whatever that is). For myself, not saying it was right or wrong, but I needed more information. It's same way I felt about WMD in Iraq before the invasion. Americans are quick to drink the koolaide, get involved in wars, but don't seem to have the stomach for it when things go south.

With Venezuela, it's been in and out so far, so we don't see people objecting, but then it wasn't much of a contest. We may have just as well invaded Tierra del Fuego. But it's ominous. Where are we going with this?
 
JustDave said:
It does test the popular US sentiment's trusting the judgement of one person to take that action. It did seem like a war that came out of the blue, without warning, congressional approval, and possibly in violation of "international law" (whatever that is). For myself, not saying it was right or wrong, but I needed more information. It's same way I felt about WMD in Iraq before the invasion. Americans are quick to drink the koolaide, get involved in wars, but don't seem to have the stomach for it when things go south.

With Venezuela, it's been in and out so far, so we don't see people objecting, but then it wasn't much of a contest. We may have just as well invaded Tierra del Fuego. But it's ominous. Where are we going with this?
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It’s interesting to me that the reasons given to capture Maduro revolved around his drug and weapons activities, today the news cycle contains almost no mention of anything other than oil and money for the United States.

One big question that I have about the possibility of United States expansion is who our next president may be. The things being discussed need a much longer time horizon than two or three years.

I’m wondering which of the POTUS’s family members will appear as his successor to what is quickly becoming the family business.

I’m afraid that when all of this plays out, the United States will find itself on the wrong side of history.
 
Aunt Bea said:
One big question that I have about the possibility of United States expansion is who our next president may be. The things being discussed need a much longer time horizon than two or three years.
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It seems to me for as long as I've been an adult. A president starts a war, police action, or whatever it's called, and everyone thinks it's the right thing to do, and then everyone hates the next president, or next four presidents, for not stopping it.
 
Sunny said:
I haven't seen anything like this since Hitler helped himself to Poland. This could be leading into an unstoppable world war.
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The US has no occupation forces in Venezuela. It was an in and out mission with one purpose. Apprehend Maduro. The military was used for a criminal apprehension.

An actual US Occupation would turn into years of guerilla warfare. The CIA will continue to use their network down there to continue to destabilize the regime/Maduro allies. It will be a cold war.
 
WhatInThe said:
The US has no occupation forces in Venezuela. It was an in and out mission with one purpose. Apprehend Maduro. The military was used for a criminal apprehension.

An actual US Occupation would turn into years of guerilla warfare. The CIA will continue to use their network down there to continue to destabilize the regime/Maduro allies. It will be a cold war.
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According to this morning's news the Administration has stated that they will "run" Venezuelan oil production.
 
JustDave said:
It seems to me for as long as I've been an adult. A president starts a war, police action, or whatever it's called, and everyone thinks it's the right thing to do, and then everyone hates the next president, or next four presidents, for not stopping it.
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People initially think it's the right thing to do because all they hear is the official spin. Eventually the facts start to leak out and the real motivations for these wars become clear.

Those motivations don't justify the prices paid by the public: "heroes" returning home in flag-draped coffins, or with prosthetic limbs, or who become homeless veterans walking the streets.

Modern wars nearly always boil down to two things. Money and power. What's happening in Venezuela is no exception.
 
The president and his family will keep the oil money. If it was about drugs we wouldn’t have let the Honduran president out of prison. Unfortunately, this administration has turned into one big grift 😖. This could also lead to a world war and terrorist attacks on our soil.

Poland was happy to be in NATO and felt confident that the United States would defend them if Russia invaded. Now of course they are very worried. I have family there. Invading any country is horrible and not our business unless a nato country is attacked. This isn’t going to turn out well for the average American.
 
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Two ways to look at Venezula's oil.

1. Some have posted greed & helping fat cat oil companies.
2. Oil is the basis for Venezulan economy/prosperity

No secret that Venezulas economy depends on oil production.Maybe reading this will help understand that America's help is needed & it won't be an overnight success.

Why Venezuela Struggles to Produce Oil Despite Having the World's Largest Reserves

Thinking back to after WW-2 when America occupied Japan.

Summation in that reference

The occupation successfully guided Japan's transition from a militaristic empire to a democratic nation, with lasting effects on Japanese society and its relationship with the U.S.

Seems reasonable to me to apply that same thinking.
 
Knight said:
TThinking back to after WW-2 when America occupied Japan.
Summation in that reference
The occupation successfully guided Japan's transition from a militaristic empire to a democratic nation, with lasting effects on Japanese society and its relationship with the U.S.
Seems reasonable to me to apply that same thinking.
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The same thing happened in West Germany. But has it happened since then? I'm trying to think of an example. Something was different about that war. One thing comes to mind. We won it, hands down with unconditional surrender. It seems like most of the time we end up getting out and leaving the place in a shambles. But we sure showed 'em by leaving the place in chaos.
 
JustDave said:
The same thing happened in West Germany. But has it happened since then? I'm trying to think of an example. Something was different about that war. One thing comes to mind. We won it, hands down with unconditional surrender. It seems like most of the time we end up getting out and leaving the place in a shambles. But we sure showed 'em by leaving the place in chaos.
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The occupation of Japan, beginning in 1945 (following it's surrender) was authorized by the Allied Powers, led by the U.S., in coalition with the United Kingdom, the Soviet Union, and China.
 
RambleTamble said:
They're being truthful about this one: we're going to steal their oil. They've said it and even gave details about how they're going to do it. There's no B.S. about "restoring democracy" or "doing it for the people."
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The lies in 2003 came from the same office the lies of 2026 are coming from. [Just new blood this time.]

Edited to add: And we will hear justifications regarding Columbia, Cuba, Mexico, Greenland, Canada, and that's probably just for starters.
 
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