Another AR-15 style rifle mass murder

Lawrence00 said:
The USA "is" a violent country and Mexico is worse. Several other countries are much worse.

In the USA we have the right, usually, to protect our own life and the lives of others with guns.

I have had several near misses with violent murderous people in my life.

The violent criminals will always have access to lethal weapons. Unfortunately, certain individuals and groups in government also want, and have shown such, by their actions, that they want to change the USA to be like China.

So yes, the USA citizens need to keep their protection.
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Hubby and I toured some western states and New York city back in 1985 and never felt threatened in any way, not even on the subway. The traffic seemed quite lethal though.

Now, if I, an elderly non US citizen, were to visit again today, I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't be allowed to have a firearm.

Who would protect me?

The answer to that question must be in the minds of quite a few non US citizens who might be considering making the US a holiday destination.

PS I'm no shrinking violet. Hubby and I have toured PNG including Rabaul and Port Morsby where danger is quite real.
 

I own a 9 mm with 2 clips, each with 18 shells, also a few others. I hit what I aim at, I do practice. It is strictly for the protection of my family and myself. If our law enforcement would rid our cities of gangs, human trafficking, drugs on our streets, rapists, murderers, etc. I would consider a life without my guns. Since it will not happen, I will own and carry. I have sisters that actually hunt and own several guns/rifles. Some sisters are guards in prisons and are trained for gun use. I'm not a violent person, but I will defend my family at any cost. As for a AR 15, that is usually what many men here in the South like, myself I see no need. Many opinions, I believe they should disarm the criminals...not the law abiding citizens. If criminals are disarmed, there would be no need for all the weapons. Our politicians holler about people need to do away with guns, really? Their security teams use guns to protect them. We have that right as well. Too many people that are mentally distorted, are getting guns. What kind of test/law will stop that? I worked Psych for years, some of these people act more sane than the average person, it just doesn't take much to set them off. Their thought process is distorted. With the laws for your medical history to be private, no one knows what some people are capable of before they obtain a weapon. Done.
 
davey said:
have you got a referencingn for that? - it might be increasing although I doubt it - it comes and goes in waves - but then again gun ownership may also not be pervasive just seems so?
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I could go get troves of information showing how lenient the court systems are around the country in letting mentally ill people back on the streets for low to med level crimes that they got caught. No figures on what crimes they didn't get caught. Many mental hospitals are so overwhelmed that patients are let out on the streets. Do some searches on "national deinstitutionalization movement"....you will find more information

Prisonpolicy.org :

Percent of people in state prisons who have been diagnosed with a mental disorder: 43% + In locally-run jails: 44% + Number of people experiencing "serious psychological distress" in jails: 1 in 4 + Percent of people in federal prisons who reported not receiving any mental health care while incarcerated: 66% +

Gun ownership is not pervasive as the media would like to portray. Most good gun news doesn't get alot of media attention as 'bad gun news' does. Shock sells. It also supports the narrative that guns are bad and should be taken from law abiding citizens, further fulfilling the requirements of moving to a socialist society. A society that cannot protect itself from tyranny, will succumb to it at some point. History proves that.
 

Lawrence00 said:
Gunviolencearchive.org


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Much too generic. The chart portrays gun violence as acts against others. Just not true, even in their data.Stopping a shooter from killing is a positive interaction, but still counting as violence. Suicide is a large number that isn't violence against others but does show that mental health is a large part that should be addressed. Cop killings, in most cases is a good thing.
Looking at the numbers, many are self defense, or stopping killings, unintentional, etc.
cutting and pasting without context doesn't tell the whole story.
 
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Background checks, although it sounds logical, unfortunately, as we have seen by current events, background check can be used in nefarious ways for political agendas.
A good example of this is 'if a terrorist group or someone identified as a known terrorist' is applying for a gun permit the background check could stop them from getting a 'legal' gun. Sounds logical, right?

But what happens by a political party is much like what is happening to parents that are standing up for their children against pornography in schools. The FBI wants to identify them as domestic terrorists(current events are showing internal emails from the FBI stating this). Meaning, if they try to protect their children from school boards, they will not pass a background check and wouldn't be able to carry a firearm. You can see how a simple 'background check' can be used in destructive ways against normal law abiding people. It is only a small jump to identify one political party as domestic terrorists if they disagree with another political party. The point is, background checks can be manipulated to be whatever the lawmakers want it to be.

You can agree or disagree, but facts are facts. And no, I won't go do the investigative homework for you if you disagree, so don't ask. Sorry, not to seems mean but its not my job to educate.
 
"Cop killings, in most cases is a good thing."

This statement shows just how "sick" a certain segment of the the US population is. "Cop killings" are never a success, they are NOT a "good thing." These killings represent so many failures of our society on so many different levels.
 
Wayne nobody cares about a bunch of guys that spend their time going pew-pew-pew for entertainment. You could use an air-soft (bb gun) to accomplish the same competition.

And please don't pretend the average Joe goes out and gets background checked like you are for those NFA items. As posted above in many states a weapon can be legally purchased w no background check at all. Furthermore those that insist on no further gun regulation or rolling back gun regulation WILL be the ones that pay because they are making it too easy for the untrained, irresponsible, angry, young people - meaning men, to obtain weapons. The tide will turn.
 
Thanks there! The amnesty period for braces expires in about a month I feel you well know so last count 14 million give or take went through the checks or in process of doing so as I am. Again I feel you possibly did not see or missed that. Not untrained,irresponsible,angry and sure not young anymore so guess I do not apply there. Where do you compete? What are your favorite matches? We recreate actual instances from police reports best we safely can furnished by members that are officers. Our church also has an indoor range we use in bad weather months plus an armed security teams all voted on by members. We are very different and all was adopted from members suggestions to be different, 1st aid classes bi monthly from our membership in the doctors field subjects from suggestions from membership, plus monthly training. We do what members wish and do. This was adopted from another church in Tennessee and works for us. Local law enforcement puts on the training for us.
 
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againstthegrain said:
I am in that group, what's the question?

I find I have no need for either an AR or a pistol. I own bolt action rifles, shotguns and bows(archery) for the sole purpose of hunting. I much prefer archery to hunt big game.
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well sorry - sometimes late at night get tired - erhmm - yea I was just wondering as a comparison if data is even available at the number of persons with firearms who do use them regularly for game hunting as opposed to those who just shoot at targets in a gun club and those who do neither but just carry them for protection - I suppose no one has even tried to collect those sorta stats?
 
All I hunt anymore is coyotes as they are a threat to newborn calves at birthing times, I do shoot in competition regularly and have most of my life 2 and 3 gun matches and always look forward to the next match shooting and fishing are 2 of my most favorite pastimes in my life... We don't just stand and shoot bullseyes but try to re-create actual instances from police reports from members in LE jobs, lots of movement and night shooting with artificial lights involved. Lots of props used. Doorways, beds, cars etc.
 
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Wayne said:
All I hunt anymore is coyotes as they are a threat to newborn calves at birthing times, I do shoot in competition regularly and have most of my life 2 and 3 gun matches and always look forward to the next match shooting and fishing are 2 of my most favorite pastimes in my life... We don't just stand and shoot bullseyes but try to re-create actual instances from police reports from members in LE jobs, lots of movement and night shooting with artificial lights involved. Lots of props used. Doorways, beds, cars etc.
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Saw a video recently of a coyote working on taking down a sheep at night. A rancher with I guess a night vision scope was able to eliminate the coyote at a distance.
 
Wayne said:
So if a civilian met all the criteria, passed all the background checks and such with a crime free life should they be denied possession? We shoot them in 2-3 gun matches bi monthly and have for years even the NFA SBR's. Which require a 5 agency background check which I feel sure you are aware of. The SIG mentioned and AR15 neither are real military issue due to the select fire omitted on the civilian version. Are you sir aware of what the AR designation stands for on Mr Stoner's rifle he invented?
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Armalite Rifle or something like that, wasn’t it?

I just prefer Sig Sauer. It’s like some people prefer Glock over Smith & Wesson. You ask them why and most will tell you because they like the larger grip than the S&W has. Between those two, I prefer the S&W because of the smaller grip. I don’t have large hands, so the Glock feels naturally uncomfortable to me, which in turn affects my aim. Sig Sauer comes in choices of grips. Even when I hold the Beretta, it feels big, but I really like the gun itself.
 
Nathan said:
Of course, but government confiscation is a well worn scary fairytale, peddled by the usual extremist sources.



Agreed, plus re-instituting the ban on assault rifles which expired in 2004. Nobody needs AR type rifles for hunting or home protection.


No, the money is too big, the NRA is safe. But, they lost my respect when they chose to become a corrupting force politically.
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Agree.
 
Gee! I used to shot them squirrels with my single shot .22 and I figured I was well armed when I walked into the swamp to listen to them little "chatter boxes." You can bet I aimed very carefully because if I missed my shot, Skippy the squirrel was gone and my reloading time was rather slow especially in the winter when my hands were frozen. My how times have changed?
 

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davey said:
well sorry - sometimes late at night get tired - erhmm - yea I was just wondering as a comparison if data is even available at the number of persons with firearms who do use them regularly for game hunting as opposed to those who just shoot at targets in a gun club and those who do neither but just carry them for protection - I suppose no one has even tried to collect those sorta stats?
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There are roughly 40 million hunting licenses issued per year.

"As of 2017, 42% of American households reported owning guns, which means that the country's 393 million guns are distributed among 50 million households."
 
Packerjohn said:
Gee! I used to shot them squirrels with my single shot .22 and I figured I was well armed when I walked into the swamp to listen to them little "chatter boxes." You can bet I aimed very carefully because if I missed my shot, Skippy the squirrel was gone and my reloading time was rather slow especially in the winter when my hands were frozen. My how times have changed?
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What's the point of shooting squirrels and ending their lives? Or other little critters you won't eat or display. Shoot at targets, not living things, not for "fun." Jesus.
 
my son was telling me about some of his rellies in Thailand who live in the woods there permanently [yes they do have woods in Thailand ; I've got a show bag!] and make a squirrel stew regularly cos that's there chosen lifestyle - muset ask him next time if they had guns or used a sling or bow?
 
againstthegrain said:
There are roughly 40 million hunting licenses issued per year.

"As of 2017, 42% of American households reported owning guns, which means that the country's 393 million guns are distributed among 50 million households."
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that's interesting from a sociological viewpoint - and trying a bit of guessameter sociology ? - nearly half of usa households carry guns and well more than half don't sounds like a litte ray of hopefulness still exisits in a gun tottin world then - then we could expand it heh and look at country my country - that would even more interesting - trouble is ya might get ya head shot off doin that one especially in the South American countries?
 


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