Another attack against Christmas

rgp said:
Just last night I heard on the news that a local school district has ordered teachers to remove any all Christmas decorations from classrooms & halls.

Now, I am not religious, and do not believe but ..... that is IMO ridiculous .

We are and have always been a Judeo-Christian nation/society , and I hate that some are trying to change it, and others are seemingly allowing it to happen.

I long for the days when those two oceans separated us from the rest of the world, and we lived life our way. And for the most part they kept us safe
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Hi. Not to discredit the rest of your post, but I'm just replying to the part in bold letters. Some states, including mine (Texas) want to mandate the display of the 10 commandments in schools, yet we hear of other school districts like the one you mentioned, which would remove all Christmas decorations. There sure are a lot of inconsistent legal interpretations in this country.
 

Della said:
When did that happen?
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In 2015 & 2023, Satanists sued to have a display on the courthouse lawn in Indiana.
My comment were directed at those, who see nothing "wrong" with having only their religious beliefs portrayed on government property.
It's way too soon to be assigning blame for the German event.
 

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WhatInThe said:
Some more current numbers. The bad news 200 injured the good news only 5 were killed and 11 which was the number early. Not good either way.

https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/a...n-christmas-market-with-no-answers-about-why/

The killer who drove the car into the crowds was somekind of activist. Even though a Saudi he was apparently anti Islam.

RIP victims, speedy recovery to survivors.
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And they chide Americans for being bad, always shooting up the place. Nowhere is free of this extreme behavior anymore. Nowhere.
 
rgp said:
We are and have always been a Judeo-Christian nation/society , and I hate that some are trying to change it, and others are seemingly allowing it to happen.
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I'm not sure where you are posting from - but all places have always been a mixture of peoples - countries like Australia and US of course having indiginous people before western colonisiation and since then having an influx of migrants from around the world
 
Twostep said:
That was not his trigger.
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You don't know that .....
Twostep said:
Just the opposite
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... and you definitely don't know that.
Twostep said:
Germany being too easy on Islamists.
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All but a couple of EU members have been too easy on immigration dank sei Frau Merkel. The fact that so many "Islamists" are in the EU is no more outrageous than the number of feminists who have free reign here. Are Islamists (at least the definition about which you and I are discussing) bad for Europe? Yes. Very bad. But we didn't create them, we imported them.
 
January said:
I'm not sure where you are posting from - but all places have always been a mixture of peoples - countries like Australia and US of course having indiginous people before western colonisiation and since then having an influx of migrants from around the world
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Ok, let me add the word predominately .
 
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rgp said:
Ok, let me add the word predominately .
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again not sure where yo u are posting from - but regardless, all countries have always been a mixture of people (except those few countries who were entirely isolated from the world before arrival of white colonisers) and all religions/ non religions should be treated equally under the law - not just the dominant white christian one

Hence i n terms of displays, all have a right to an approved display but cannot make modifications or add texts after the fact.
 
January said:
again not sure where yo u are posting from - but regardless, all countries have always been a mixture of people (except those few countries who were entirely isolated from the world before arrival of white colonisers) and all religions/ non religions should be treated equally under the law - not just the dominant white christian one

Hence i n terms of displays, all have a right to an approved display but cannot make modifications or add texts after the fact.
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Once again I said, predominately , I never said that we were [only] Judeo-Christian , of course we are a mix. But we here in the U.S.A. have always been noted as a predominately Judeo-Christian nation .
 
If the sign said "Keep Christ in Christmas" how else would you spell Christmas? How about substituting with another word, sort of like a proxy Christ? Or perhaps Jesusmas , Messiah_mas, Sonofgodmas? either way somebody is bound to complain. Is the US moving away from traditional religion and religious practices based on lack of support and religious attendance? Is this a sign of liberalism moving away from tradition? Is that why we have conservative leaders in office to lead us back to traditional values where religion was the focal point of country and state?
Perhaps we are outgrowing religion given the lack of support religion is getting these days?
 
rgp said:
Once again I said, predominately , I never said that we were [only] Judeo-Christian , of course we are a mix. But we here in the U.S.A. have always been noted as a predominately Judeo-Christian nation .
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Always??
I didn't know native Americans were christian before white people arrived.,

Anyway how does that change whether people can add text to a display on public property?
Rules are the same for everyone, whether a majority or minority.
 
January said:
Always??
I didn't know native Americans were christian before white people arrived.,

Anyway how does that change whether people can add text to a display on public property?
Rules are the same for everyone, whether a majority or minority.
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I didn't say Americans, I said the U.S.A. the united states of America.

Who is changing what ? Not sure I understand your second sentence .

In a perfect world, yes the rules would/should be the same , but in the real world, they are indeed different.
 
A friend posted this elsewhere which goes to putting the spirit of Christmas in a better light:

Christmas is a gift and is about giving. It should remind us of one of life's paradoxes. It should offer respite to those who have worked hard and those who feel trapped in a cycle of stress, giving them time to catch their breath. Christmas is a gift to those who suffer from the gloomy weather, the dark days and the worries that linger in their hearts. It is a gift to those with families, to remember life's basics, rejoice with children, and help them wonder and laugh.

The story of the God who presents himself as a child also calls for humility and compassion, for a look to others who may not know that it is Christmas or may exclude it out of grief. It is a gift to those who do not believe, to include them in the spirit of charity, and a reminder to the believers to be generous.

We are one humanity, no matter what cultures we belong to, the colour of our skin or any other differences we may have. So, I can say with full conviction to my sisters and brothers, my family, my friends, my colleagues and my neighbours:

Merry Christmas!
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Both cynical secularists and religious zealots tend to miss the mark. Perhaps it can be an occasion for mending fences with neighbors?
 
Muskrat said:
...................If you simply brow beat the masses with your outrage…you simply drive people away.
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This morning I was listening to a Christian political influencer (she mentioned her faith repeatedly like pointing at her membership badge) as she discussed with another who holds the opposing perspective. Her language towards him was so highly offensive (because he's gay), that I was both disgusted and amazed. In the past year, I've heard enough of that sort, that I can say categorically that I will never go back to the church nor would I even muse on the possibility of becoming a Christian if I was 'searching'. Then later I heard the same woman asserting that in her day to day life, she would never talk to anybody that way but that she does the abuse on her channel as a form of 'rage baiting'.

I know there are a lot of really good Christians people and some of them are part of my family, but that Youtube woman is doing exactly what you said Muskrat and driving people away. She's one of the least Christ like people on Youtube these days. And she has a massive following.
 
This discussion has made me realize that I have no idea what the Canadian law says about the separation of church and state. Is there anything in the Canadian constitution (if that's what it's called) discussing this, one way or another? I get the feeling that most European nations, including Great Britain, are officially Christian, but I could be wrong about that. The Middle East (with the obvious exception of Israel) is officially Muslim. I think all the nations in South and Central America are officially Catholic. Most of Asia is a mystery to me. But where does Canada fit in?
 
Sunny said:
This discussion has made me realize that I have no idea what the Canadian law says about the separation of church and state. Is there anything in the Canadian constitution (if that's what it's called) discussing this, one way or another? I get the feeling that most European nations, including Great Britain, are officially Christian, but I could be wrong about that. The Middle East (with the obvious exception of Israel) is officially Muslim. I think all the nations in South and Central America are officially Catholic. Most of Asia is a mystery to me. But where does Canada fit in?
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I don't think we have anything specifically separating church and province (as your Constitution does) but our Charter of Rights and Freedoms does guarantee freedom of religion and protects the rights of non-religious people.
 
Debrah N. said:
I don't think we have anything specifically separating church and province (as your Constitution does) but our Charter of Rights and Freedoms does guarantee freedom of religion and protects the rights of non-religious people.
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I wonder if there is any statute banning the government from showing any one religion/sect preferential treatment or official status.
 
Matrix said:
I accidentally merged two threads, thinking they were about the same topic. I’m so sorry about that.

I’ve moved all the posts back to the terrorist thread, but I’m not sure about the posts made after the merger. If you’d like your posts moved too , please report them with a short note "move it.”
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Hi Matrix, no it's all good, no worries. I was just wondering what was happening. Thanks for letting me know. And Merry Christmas to you and your loved ones.
 
rgp said:
I didn't say Americans, I said the U.S.A. the united states of America.

Who is changing what ? Not sure I understand your second sentence .

In a perfect world, yes the rules would/should be the same , but in the real world, they are indeed different.
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Ok - but I think there were many non Christian people who are not acknowledged because they were not the white Christian people in power - meaning the country was not as homogeneous as it might appear.

I meant how does whatever the mixture of religions/ cultures is change whether it is ok to add text to an approved display after the fact - ie regardless of whether the display is by a majority or minority group, the rule about only erecting the display as approved would apply.
It isn't an attack on christans- the rule applies to everyone.
 
Lilac said:
I don't think "Keep Christ in Christmas" is offensive.

You just have some people who are so unhappy with their own life that they will grab at anything at anytime to make others miserable. Sadly, it's their way to find happiness in making others unhappy.
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I believe this is exactly right, and far too common in these times.
 

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