Another ethics question - the death of Cecil the Lion

I have hunted for decades....primarily for the meat...venison is one of the tastiest and healthiest meats a person can eat. However, I have never understood the desire to kill just for sport, and having some animals mounted head hanging on the wall.
 

Sen. Bob Menendez intros CECIL Act to restrict big-game hunting

By ADAM B. LERNER
7/31/15 1:11 PM EDT
Updated 7/31/15 2:09 PM EDT


Sen. Bob Menendez has introduced legislation to curb trophy hunting of endangered and threatened species after the demise of Cecil, an African lion whose death at the hands of an American hunter touched off a social media firestorm.
The Conserving Ecosystems by Ceasing the Importation of Large Animal Trophies Act would extend restrictions on the import and export of animals that are being considered for inclusion under the Endangered Species Act. Currently, the restrictions apply only to animals already on the list.
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The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service had suggested the African lion be listed as “threatened” in October, but has yet to confirm the listing.
“Let’s not be cowardly lions when it comes to trophy killings,” said Menendez, a new Jersey Democrat. “Cecil’s death was a preventable tragedy that highlights the need to extend the protections of the Endangered Species Act. When we have enough concern about the future of a species to propose it for listing, we should not be killing it for sport.”
Sens. Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) and Ben Cardin (D-Md.) have all signed on as co-sponsors of the legislation.
Cecil, a male African lion who was well known around Zimbabwe for a friendly demeanor and participation in a study that tracked his movements by GPS, was killed by a Minnesota dentist earlier this month. Zimbabwe’s government has reportedly requested the extradition of Cecil’s alleged killer, Walter Palmer, who had plead guilty to a felony charge in the U.S. for shooting a black bear in Wisconsin in 2006.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...ting-africa-species-120857.html#ixzz3hVPmX9wQ
 
If Cecil was human, he might be considered to be a martyr for the survival of his species.

Let's hope his death brings some lasting benefits for endangered species.
It's not only hunting/poaching that is the problem; loss of habitat is even more serious.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
If Cecil was human, he might be considered to be a martyr for the survival of his species.

Let's hope his death brings some lasting benefits for endangered species.
It's not only hunting/poaching that is the problem; loss of habitat is even more serious.
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I read a report a few weeks ago that said Earth is losing over 300 species of animal and plant life every year....much of that due to human encroachment and pollution.
 
oakapple said:
But I would also add..... To anyone who says ' he should never have a dental practice again etc.' This is his livelihood and he has every right to be a dentist, his family would suffer otherwise, not just him.There is too much hate out there.
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You're right, we 'hate' that Cecil died so that somebody who doesn't care how much animals suffer, could hang his head on their wall. If this had been about a man who was hunting to feed his family, most of the world would have said absolutely nothing. Even I as a vegan would have been silent because I figure, at least a hunted wild animal has a better life than any of the animals that society customarily eats these days. But this guy likes killing animals, he does it with a bow so often times I'm sure, like Cecil did, they suffer for hours before they are finally killed.

That guy is like a serial killer but his victims are animals. He goes out, kills them for fun, and then takes their heads as souvenirs. Sounds like a serial killer to me. And he potentially trains his children to grow up by their proximity to his lifestyle, to be serial killers too. And if he loses his practice, then it's a resounding statement by the public that what he does is intolerable and he's brought it on himself. I don't feel the least bit sorry for him and I hope that he gets to spend a year in a Zimbabwe jail thinking about Cecil, Cecil's cubs that will in all likelihood be dead soon.....and how he got himself there.

As for his family, well, that's too bad, but if that bum could blow $50,000.00 on this one hunt (and think about all the other times he's done that) than I'm sure they've got some savings they can live on til they get themselves going again. And they can learn a lesson from this too.
 
That ass didn't think about Cecil and his Pride with 24 cubs...when he slaughtered him. It was a concern that other males would move in to take over the Pride of females and kill all of Cecil's cubs.. Fortunately I understand that Cecil's brother has stepped in and is protecting the cubs..

I have no concern for the Murderer's family.. They'll figure it out... who cares.
 
doat said:
With all the years of big game poaching going on in Africa, they are making a issue about an old lion. Wonder if this is some kind of vendetta?
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I think what you're seeing is the collective outrage of the world at how a self-important man get's his jollies by firstly causing great suffering and then killing an animal that was protected by law. The only vendetta is all of us wanting justice for that animal. It's no different than if I lure your cat or dog out of your yard and then torture it and kill it.
 
QuickSilver said:
That ass didn't think about Cecil and his Pride with 24 cubs...when he slaughtered him. It was a concern that other males would move in to take over the Pride of females and kill all of Cecil's cubs.. Fortunately I understand that Cecil's brother has stepped in and is protecting the cubs..

I have no concern for the Murderer's family.. They'll figure it out... who cares.
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Sure hope you're right about the other lion taking over as a protective leader QS and I'm with you on the rest.
 
http://www.inquisitr.com/2298189/cecil-the-lions-brother-is-protecting-his-cubs/

It now appears that
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Cecil’s cubs are unlikely to suffer that fate. Though the research team from Oxford University’s Wildlife Conservation Unit feared that the next animal in the hierarchy, Jericho, may kill the cubs, they note that he is instead safeguarding them. That assessment was echoed by Johnny Rodrigues, Chairman of the Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force, as the Daily Mail reports.
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2298189/cecil-the-lions-brother-is-protecting-his-cubs/#U3XUJoF70uK0o8YE.99
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Yes... Jericho is Cecil's brother.. and he is a noble animal.. isn't he.. He was next in line but is honoring his brother. He didn't have to..
 
BREAKING NEWS: Cecil the lion's brother Jericho shot dead by poachers in Zimbabwean park
By WILLS ROBINSON FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 12:55 EST, 1 August 2015 | UPDATED: 13:33 EST, 1 August 2015

Cecil the lion's brother Jericho has been shot dead by poachers in a park in Zimbabwe.
The animal was protecting Cecil's lion cubs after he was shot dead by Minnesota dentist, Walter Palmer earlier this month, sparking outrage around the world.
Johnny Rodrigues, Chairman for Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force, said in a statement: 'It is with great sadness and regret that we report that Jericho was shot dead at 4pm this afternoon.
'We are absolutely heartbroken. We have no further details but will advise as soon as we know more.'


Before his death there had been concerns Jericho would not be able to hold the territory of Cecil's cubs alone and could be chased away by rival lions.
Unprotected, the lionesses and cubs are now under threat and also move away or be killed.
Last week Mr Rodrigues, told the Daily Mail Online Jericho was keeping the cubs safe from any rival males.




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-poachers-Zimbabwean-park.html#ixzz3haeXX0My
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I read more about this Dr. Palmer. I'm not really familiar with UK's Daily Mail, but thought it insteresting to check this out:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-killed-Cecil-lion-speaks-vilified-world.html

Tammy Brevik sued Dr Walter Palmer claiming he sexually harassed her when she worked for Minneapolis dentist from 1999 to 2005
She received $127,500 settlement after lawsuit and he had to undergo ethics training


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lion-speaks-vilified-world.html#ixzz3halM5aEV
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If this actually happened, he's absolutely pond scum!​
 
There is no ethic questions here, simply a bunch of folks ignorant about what is really going on in the world and taken up with their own hypocrisy.
Next time you set down to a meat meal think about it, your so pathetic you have to have someone make the kill for you. Jericho was holding the territory etc. if you believe that your as naive as --- well it is obvious you never hunted cats.

Zimbabwe doesn't have the gov. Set up to extradite anybody. In the rest of the world this is a non event. Compared to the poaching that goes on in Zimbabwe and Africa in general this makes the death of Mickey Mouse overdue. But I did hear that 10,000 of the petition signers were up for charges for wearing poached ivory, and wearing blood diamonds.
My hunting friend in SA says the natives are partying because they will lose less cattle and will not need to poach so much. He says the genetic pool for that area needed changing anyway, as Cecil and the other Disneyfied animals in the particular area were past the prime reproductive years.
As for the dentist, him and a Bill Clinton probably share the same escort list. The dentist was a good bow hunter and 40 hours to die is anti hunting propaganda.
 
Unable to post pic. But it says

"thank goodness Cecil is dead"

"Zebra lives do matter"
 
People who hunt for bragging rights or trophies are the lowest form of humanity. When I lived in the mountains of Idaho, I was hiking and came upon a freshly killed Elk with no head. Left to rot by the jerk who killed it. Nature is cruel but no match for those of use who "bravely" go into the wilds "merely" armed with high power rifles with telescopic sights or Bows. Then to make sure the odds are ALL on these jerks side set up at a bait station or water hole knowing that hapless animal will fall victim to their arrogance. As to the 40 hours to die, I'll take the word of the coward who shot the Lion who reported it himself.

I guess I am one of the "ignorant" people as you call us, but at least I'm man enough not to have to go out and kill innocent animals to show how superior I am.
 
rt3 said:
There is no ethic questions here, simply a bunch of folks ignorant about what is really going on in the world and taken up with their own hypocrisy.
Next time you set down to a meat meal think about it, your so pathetic you have to have someone make the kill for you. Jericho was holding the territory etc. if you believe that your as naive as --- well it is obvious you never hunted cats.

Zimbabwe doesn't have the gov. Set up to extradite anybody. In the rest of the world this is a non event. Compared to the poaching that goes on in Zimbabwe and Africa in general this makes the death of Mickey Mouse overdue. But I did hear that 10,000 of ythe petition signers were up for charges for wearing poached ivory, and wearing blood diamonds.
My hunting friend in SA says the natives are partying because they will loose less cattle and will not need to poach so much. He says the genetic pool for that area needed changing anyway, as Cecil and the other Disneyfied animals in the particular area were past the prime reproductive years.
As for the dentist, him and a Bill Clinton probably share the same escort list. The dentist was a good bow hunter and 40 hours to die is anti hunting propaganda.
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I don't think it's ignorance but it is misplaced priority. Yes poaching is a criminal act but it is worthy of the lynch mob mentality on this issue alone-no. The issues of recreational game have been there and still will be there after the dust has settled. It is frustrating is that the only one to get the meat was nature. It should've been butchered and given to a village of poor for a couple of meals.

It is also frustrating to see all those who now want to ban hunting period. Not only does hunting serve a purpose if done responsibly it is hypocritical of those to complain about hunting especially if they buy store prepared meat where the animal was caged and killed in a slaughterhouse production line style. Hey I want to see free range farms and good treatment while alive but there is still space and reasons for hunting in today's society.

The killing of this lion was a crime and a shame but it is not worth all the attention it is currently getting. It deserves some attention but when I see a 'breaking news' flash on CNN that Cecil's brother was killed this story has surpassed way out of proportion.
 
AZ Jim said:
People who hunt for bragging rights or trophies are the lowest form of humanity. When I lived in the mountains of Idaho, I was hiking and came upon a freshly killed Elk with no head. Left to rot by the jerk who killed it. Nature is cruel but no match for those of use who "bravely" go into the wilds "merely" armed with high power rifles with telescopic sights or Bows. Then to make sure the odds are ALL on these jerks side set up at a bait station or water hole knowing that hapless animal will fall victim to their arrogance. As to the 40 hours to die, I'll take the word of the coward who shot the Lion who reported it himself.

I guess I am one of the "ignorant" people as you call us, but at least I'm man enough not to have to go out and kill innocent animals to show how superior I am.
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Well said Jim. I agree with you. (This time anyway.)
 
You don't really know how long the lion took to die, depends on wound area, need t o track. If shot in the butt, maybe longer, but that's ok go sing the Lion King song and pretend some more. No doubt more will come out of this, especially the vague hunting laws in Zimbabwe. It's not like Jellystone, regulated and they don't have state wild life divisions etc, but then the Internet doesn't lie and of course you have been there. A crime may have been committed by a zim official in taking the money, but this has been going on for decades. The only thing this episode does is inform the ignorant. Crime is something that has a legal definition, with penalty. It can be a moral construct, which means nothin more than pick a side.
 

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