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SifuPhil said:
I find it difficult to believe that 42 children calling a prophet "baldy" constitutes evil-doing.

Likewise, a growing population is not necessarily a crime.

Complaining? Not evil in my book.

Accidently touching some relic? Nope, not evil.

No wonder "evildoers" never learn - they'll get punished whether they're doing good or evil.
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In the Bible, God defines evil.

The Bible does record in the book of Judges about an evil time when everyone did what seemed good to them.

The Bible also says at the evil end of the age people will not be able to discern good from evil.
 

Sunny said:
KingsX. yup, you've hit the nail right on the head. God should punish all evildoers who commit the sin of complaining, as the Bible is gloating about. So the 17 who were just murdered in Florida must have been evildoers, right? They deserved what happened to them?
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Those who believe the Bible, know everything happens within the will of God.

The Bible also says that some people die young to save them from a greater evil to come.

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We can argue back and forth for years about the cause of the murders of 17 in Parkland, but there is one inescapable fact, society has changed DRAMATICALLY since we were kids. When we went to school, there were NO MASS SHOOTINGS. Guns were just as plentiful throughout all of American history. So, access to guns can not possibly be the cause of school shootings.

A gun does not have a mind of it's own. A gun does not decide to leave the closet and go on a rampage. Anti-gun fanatics conveniently forget that it takes a person to pick up a gun and use it. How that weapon is used, depends ENTIRELY, on the mind of the user.

The cause (s) of school shootings are the changes in society. BUT, there is no one single change which has brought this plague of violence upon us. As I have repeatedly said, it is a multitude of causes. Each cause, by itself, may not result in school shootings. But when COMBINED, the results can be extreme violence.

Ask yourselves what has changed in the lives of teenagers since we were kids. Put politics aside and look at the problem dispassionately and rationally. Don't let personal politics blind you to the facts. Ask yourselves, what children are doing, or not doing, today that differs from what we did, or did not do, as kids.

Also, ask yourselves how the family unit has changed. Ask yourselves whether discipline has increased or decreased. Ask yourselves whether proper supervision of children has increased or decreased.

In my opinion, the answer is all too obvious.
 

I agree Traveler. The family unit and its values have changed. This is the problem we have to tackle somehow.
 
chic said:
I agree Traveler. The family unit and its values have changed. This is the problem we have to tackle somehow.
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Traveler is right.

But it's the cultural marxist destroyers of family [and gender] who now dictate social mores [and also teach in the schools.]

Cultural marxists don't want a return to moral family values [they have worked hard over the decades to destroy family values.]

Nor do they want true justice [they have worked overtime to coddle criminals and release them to continue to prey upon society.]

The "solution" the cultural marxists promote is restricting freedom and banning guns because that fits right into their marxist agenda.
 
KingsX said:
Traveler is right.

But it's the cultural marxist destroyers of family [and gender] who now dictate social mores [and also teach in the schools.]

Cultural marxists don't want a return to moral family values [they have worked hard over the decades to destroy family values.]

Nor do they want true justice [they have worked overtime to coddle criminals and release them to continue to prey upon society.]

The "solution" the cultural marxists promote is restricting freedom and banning guns because that fits right into their marxist agenda.
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You are absolutely correct. You have more guts than me for posting the truth. I only hope that the cultural Marxists don't start calling you names.
 
Shalimar said:
Please, what is a cultural Marxist? I am unfamiliar with the term.
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Cultural Marxism refers to people who are leftist but not quite fully communist. It is a term often used by committed communists which is directed against those who espouse liberalism but who are not yet ready to dedicate their entire lives to world communism, the total destruction of the extended family unit, and any, and all, religious beliefs.

if you google it, there are many sites that go into much more detail.
 
Traveler said:
Cultural Marxism refers to people who are leftist but not quite fully communist. It is a term often used by committed communists which is directed against those who espouse liberalism but who are not yet ready to dedicate their entire lives to world communism, the total destruction of the extended family unit, and any, and all, religious beliefs.

if you google it, there are many sites that go into much more detail.
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Thank you.
 
Traveler said:
We can argue back and forth for years about the cause of the murders of 17 in Parkland, but there is one inescapable fact, society has changed DRAMATICALLY since we were kids. When we went to school, there were NO MASS SHOOTINGS. Guns were just as plentiful throughout all of American history. So, access to guns can not possibly be the cause of school shootings.

A gun does not have a mind of it's own. A gun does not decide to leave the closet and go on a rampage. Anti-gun fanatics conveniently forget that it takes a person to pick up a gun and use it. How that weapon is used, depends ENTIRELY, on the mind of the user.

The cause (s) of school shootings are the changes in society. BUT, there is no one single change which has brought this plague of violence upon us. As I have repeatedly said, it is a multitude of causes. Each cause, by itself, may not result in school shootings. But when COMBINED, the results can be extreme violence.

Ask yourselves what has changed in the lives of teenagers since we were kids. Put politics aside and look at the problem dispassionately and rationally. Don't let personal politics blind you to the facts. Ask yourselves, what children are doing, or not doing, today that differs from what we did, or did not do, as kids.

Also, ask yourselves how the family unit has changed. Ask yourselves whether discipline has increased or decreased. Ask yourselves whether proper supervision of children has increased or decreased.

In my opinion, the answer is all too obvious.
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Makes me wonder how many children you have, Traveler? Perhaps I should ask how many children you've raised because that's more pertinent.
 
Shalimar said:
Please, what is a cultural Marxist? I am unfamiliar with the term.
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A cultural marxist [knowingly or unknowingly] promotes the Marxist/Leninist Bolshevik cultural agenda.

There is a cultural aspect of Bolshevism. Their aim is to destroy the foundation of Western Christian civilization, the family. To accomplish this, cultural marxists foster gender-destroying & family-destroying abominations.

After the 1917 Bolshevik revolution... in addition to destroying churches and murdering millions of Christians... the evil antichrist Bolsheviks in Russia legalized everything that would destroy the single family unit. Bolsheviks legalized liberal divorce, abortion, homosexuals. Bolsheviks pushed womens lib to the point of abolishing the role of wife, mother and homemaker... then put women to work in factories and military. Bolsheviks wanted communal living with communal meals and communal sex... children would be property of the atheist antichrist Bolshevik state.


Below are insights into the Bolshevik cultural marxist agenda in their own words.

" Just over a month after the revolution, two decrees established civil marriage and allowed for divorce at the request of either partner Divorces soared in the following period. A complete Code on Marriage, the Family and Guardianship, ratified in October 1918 by the state governing body, the Central Executive Committee (CEC), swept away centuries of patriarchal and ecclesiastical power, and established a new doctrine based on individual rights and the equality of the sexes. "


" The Bolsheviks also abolished all laws against homosexual acts and other consensual sexual activity."


" The Bolsheviks anticipated the ability to eliminate the need for certain registrations, for example, marriage registration, for the family will soon be replaced by a more reasonable, more rational differentiation based on separate individuals. When the fetters of husband and wife have become obsolete, the family will wither away, replaced by revolutionary social relations based on womens equality. Not until then, in the words of Soviet sociologist S. Ia. Volfson, would the duration of marriage be defined exclusively by the mutual inclination of the spouses. Divorce would be accomplished by the locking of a door, as Soviet architect L. Sabsovich envisaged it. "


" Abortion: Free and on Demand

In 1920 the Soviet government issued a decree overturning criminal penalties for abortion the first government in the world to do so"


http://www.icl-fi.org/english/esp/59/emancipation.html

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KingsX said:
A cultural marxist [knowingly or unknowingly] promotes the Marxist/Leninist Bolshevik cultural agenda.

There is a cultural aspect of Bolshevism. Their aim is to destroy the foundation of Western Christian civilization, the family. To accomplish this, cultural marxists foster gender-destroying & family-destroying abominations.

After the 1917 Bolshevik revolution... in addition to destroying churches and murdering millions of Christians... the evil antichrist Bolsheviks in Russia legalized everything that would destroy the single family unit. Bolsheviks legalized liberal divorce, abortion, homosexuals. Bolsheviks pushed womens lib to the point of abolishing the role of wife, mother and homemaker... then put women to work in factories and military. Bolsheviks wanted communal living with communal meals and communal sex... children would be property of the atheist antichrist Bolshevik state.


Below are insights into the Bolshevik cultural marxist agenda in their own words.

" Just over a month after the revolution, two decrees established civil marriage and allowed for divorce at the request of either partner Divorces soared in the following period. A complete Code on Marriage, the Family and Guardianship, ratified in October 1918 by the state governing body, the Central Executive Committee (CEC), swept away centuries of patriarchal and ecclesiastical power, and established a new doctrine based on individual rights and the equality of the sexes. "


" The Bolsheviks also abolished all laws against homosexual acts and other consensual sexual activity."


" The Bolsheviks anticipated the ability to eliminate the need for certain registrations, for example, marriage registration, for the family will soon be replaced by a more reasonable, more rational differentiation based on separate individuals. When the fetters of husband and wife have become obsolete, the family will wither away, replaced by revolutionary social relations based on womens equality. Not until then, in the words of Soviet sociologist S. Ia. Volfson, would the duration of marriage be defined exclusively by the mutual inclination of the spouses. Divorce would be accomplished by the locking of a door, as Soviet architect L. Sabsovich envisaged it. "


" Abortion: Free and on Demand

In 1920 the Soviet government issued a decree overturning criminal penalties for abortion the first government in the world to do so"


http://www.icl-fi.org/english/esp/59/emancipation.html

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Thank you for your detailed explanation.
 
SifuPhil said:
Murcans ... you and I are Murcans.

You have to allow for some regional spellig differences, of course. I've seen "Mr'kin" and "Merkan".

Just think of how LBJ used to say "American" -

""We are not about to send Murcan boys 9 or 10 thousand miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves.""
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lol - maybe you're a "mercan", but I am an "American". Have been for 71+ years.
 
Smiling Jane said:
Here's an article from The Guardian explaining cultural Marxism, a term coined by the right wing when they're pretending to be victims:

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-for-rightwingers-who-love-to-play-the-victim
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One could hardly expect an ultra-leftist newspaper like The Guardian to admit that cultural Marxism not only exists but that The Guardian is part and parcel of Leftist ideology. People and organizations that are trying to destroy a culture are not likely to admit what they are doing.

There is no pretending about it. Our culture is, in fact, coming apart at the seams. The extended family is dead. The nuclear family is crumbling before our very eyes. The battle of the sexes has never been hotter. High-school girls are getting abortions, without the parents ever being notified. The criminal justice system is a mess. We have no control of our own borders. Drug addiction and over-dose deaths are killing more people every year than were killed in all of the Viet Nam War (64,000 in 2017 alone). And, teenage boys, like in Parkland Florida are murdering innocent children.

What is happening to our culture is NOT happening to just conservatives. It is happening to every political group, every socio-economic group, and every race: Asian, Black, Brown, and White alike. We, all of us, are victims.

Pretending ? Not bloody likely.
 
When I was a teacher wanting to visit US in 1985 I was dubbed an involuntary communist because I was a member of a teaching union. This annoyed me because I was not, nor ever was, any sort of communist. I abhor all forms of totalitarianism.

Nor am I a cultural Marxist even though I believe in and defend workers rights and most progressive social programs. The very term is ridiculous and quite meaningless to anyone who does not subscribe to conspiracy fantasies.
 
Warrigal said:
When I was a teacher wanting to visit US in 1985 I was dubbed an involuntary communist because I was a member of a teaching union. This annoyed me because I was not, nor ever was, any sort of communist. I abhor all forms of totalitarianism.

Nor am I a cultural Marxist even though I believe in and defend workers rights and most progressive social programs. The very term is ridiculous and quite meaningless to anyone who does not subscribe to conspiracy fantasies.
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Me thinks the lady doth protest too much.
 
Shalimar said:
I thought politics were out of bounds.
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Are my recent posts "politics" ? I mentioned no political party. I was talking about philosophy.

In any event, I want to stop school shootings. You want to stop school shootings. Everyone on this site wants to stop school shootings.

How can we stop school shootings if we can't talk about the causes BEHIND the school shootings ?
 
So, it seems to me that "cultural marxist" is a meaningless, sneering term employed by the far right to redefine liberals? And what's wrong with just using that term? Not nasty enough?
 
Sunny said:
So, it seems to me that "cultural marxist" is a meaningless, sneering term employed by the far right to redefine liberals? And what's wrong with just using that term? Not nasty enough?
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Sorry to disagree with you, but the term "cultural Marxist" has a very specific meaning.
 
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