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KingsX said:
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Speaking of prevention... seems the FBI dropped the ball.


Florida Gov. Rick Scott calls for FBI Director Christopher Wray to resign in wake of Parkland school shooting

" Florida Gov. Rick Scott called for FBI Director Christopher Wray to resign Friday in the wake of revelations the bureau ignored a Jan. 5 tip about Parkland school shooter Nikolas Cruz, who killed 17 when he opened fire on Valentine's Day.

The agency said earlier Thursday in a statement that it received a call in January from a person close to Cruz through its Public Access Line tipline to express concerns about Cruz's erratic behavior and disturbing social media posts.

That tip said that Cruz had a gun, wanted to “kill people” and there was the “potential of him conducting a school shooting.”

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-resign-in-wake-parkland-school-shooting.html
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That may be the most shocking aspect to this entire episode. It leaves me speechless.

I'd like to know why schools, all schools, don't install self-locking doors with a "push-bar" on the inside to let students out in case of fire etc BUT would keep out intruders? It seems like a simple, yet effective, partial solution. At the main entrance there could be a buzzer with a camera which would be connected to the school office. Someone with a valid reason for visiting the school during school hours ie a parent, police officer, fireman, etc could then gain entrance via intercom and camera BUT would keep out a shooter.
 

Warrigal said:
Fascinating thread.
So many words written trying to find something to blame for mass murder except the ready availability of the AR - 15.

Do you all suppose that the social problems that are being pointed at do not exist in other countries around the world?
Do you think that only in America are children indulged, drugs are available, mental illness is common and violent movies are watched?

An attempt to point to a different country, Japan, was dismissed immediately without any consideration of they are doing that might be applied to US. Another post deplores finger waving by people outside US. That's me, I assume. One look at global statistics should be enough to show that US is a world leader in homicides by firearm and also in firearms ownership. The correlation is blindingly obvious.

Well, fine. If you are willing to trade off the lives of children to keep your Wild West dream alive then be prepared for more tragedies involving slaughtered innocents. I will try to hold my tongue but when it happens again ...
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Well said.

I have the TV going as background noise as I work on the computer. Usually I'll have it tuned to a station that shows "manly shows" 24/7 (well, except from 3-4 am, when they have infomerrcials for the EpiLady and the latest blemish remover).

I notice that the old Westerns from the '50's and '60's have a metric ton of shootings. Bad guys shooting good guys, good guys shooting bad guys, I'm surprised the horses aren't armed as well. Everyone, even the "good time ladies", carry something lethal.

We haven't evolved very far from that.
 
Warrigal please, we all KNOW about the AR 15, It's been discussed many, many times. What is wrong with trying to figure out why these men are doing this? It matters a lot. No one is ignoring the problem with the guns, but neither do we have a one-track mind, nor do we deserve insults such as- we value our "Wild West dream" over our children. That's just ridiculous.

All aspects of this terrible phenomenon are important enough to look at and discuss. Please don't imagine that those here are not hoping for a end to these kinds of weapons.
 

Warrigal said:
Fascinating thread.
So many words written trying to find something to blame for mass murder except the ready availability of the AR - 15.

Do you all suppose that the social problems that are being pointed at do not exist in other countries around the world?
Do you think that only in America are children indulged, drugs are available, mental illness is common and violent movies are watched?

An attempt to point to a different country, Japan, was dismissed immediately without any consideration of they are doing that might be applied to US. Another post deplores finger waving by people outside US. That's me, I assume. One look at global statistics should be enough to show that US is a world leader in homicides by firearm and also in firearms ownership. The correlation is blindingly obvious.

Well, fine. If you are willing to trade off the lives of children to keep your Wild West dream alive then be prepared for more tragedies involving slaughtered innocents. I will try to hold my tongue but when it happens again ...
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Well, the majority of us in the U.S. are not what you're thinking. We are not allowed to post politics here, which I totally agree with. I have just had such a debate on another message board, but then we are a small group that have been together for a long, long time. So we argue, but then we're already like a family and we get over it.

The problem with arguing about guns, is that it's taken as it will be a ban, which is not true. And that's the sticking point. Just to reiterate, Americans as a whole are not gun happy.
 
Warrigal said:
Fascinating thread.
So many words written trying to find something to blame for mass murder except the ready availability of the AR - 15.

Do you all suppose that the social problems that are being pointed at do not exist in other countries around the world?
Do you think that only in America are children indulged, drugs are available, mental illness is common and violent movies are watched?

An attempt to point to a different country, Japan, was dismissed immediately without any consideration of they are doing that might be applied to US. Another post deplores finger waving by people outside US. That's me, I assume. One look at global statistics should be enough to show that US is a world leader in homicides by firearm and also in firearms ownership. The correlation is blindingly obvious.

Well, fine. If you are willing to trade off the lives of children to keep your Wild West dream alive then be prepared for more tragedies involving slaughtered innocents. I will try to hold my tongue but when it happens again ...
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America is not like any other country on the planet. We have some of the most, perhaps the most, dangerous people of any country. Political correctness prohibits me from naming those groups. Removing all guns from the hands of it's citizens would not stop the killings. Just look at the mass murders in Europe, by radical Muslims. No guns ? No problem. Just run over people with a truck. Or make bombs.

Taking guns away from law abiding people would place them at the mercy of hundreds of thousands of thugs. In any event, do you honestly believe that criminals would ever turn in their guns ?

Moreover, there have always been millions of guns in the hands of America's citizens, yet school shooting are a relatively new thing. The problem is NOT guns. The problem is that young men's minds are being warped by a tidal wave of various media violence AND no one is at home to supervise them. Change those two things and the school shootings will stop.
 
Traveler said:
America is not like any other country on the planet. We have some of the most, perhaps the most, dangerous people of any country. Political correctness prohibits me from naming those groups. Removing all guns from the hands of it's citizens would not stop the killings. Just look at the mass murders in Europe, by radical Muslims. No guns ? No problem. Just run over people with a truck. Or make bombs.

Taking guns away from law abiding people would place them at the mercy of hundreds of thousands of thugs. In any event, do you honestly believe that criminals would ever turn in their guns ?

Moreover, there have always been millions of guns in the hands of America's citizens, yet school shooting are a relatively new thing. The problem is NOT guns. The problem is that young men's minds are being warped by a tidal wave of various media violence AND no one is at home to supervise them. Change those two things and the school shootings will stop.
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"Political correctness prohibits me from naming those groups. "

That...right there is a huge part of our more recent problems......PC & the fear of not being so, has removed all the honesty from conversation, in fear of insulting someone, stepping on their little toes. . How in the hell can we address / correct a problem if we cannot even see it for what it is, say what it is, and name those that are the problem involving it....

As I said earlier...coddling the guilty is NOT! the answer.
 
rgp said:
"Political correctness prohibits me from naming those groups. "

That...right there is a huge part of our more recent problems......PC & the fear of not being so, has removed all the honesty from conversation, in fear of insulting someone, stepping on their little toes. . How in the hell can we address / correct a problem if we cannot even see it for what it is, say what it is, and name those that are the problem involving it....

As I said earlier...coddling the guilty is NOT! the answer.
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I absolutely agree with you. I did not mean that I am politically correct. I only meant that there are P.C.er's lurking about, who would joyously jump all over anyone who dared to mention those groups.
 
Traveler said:
... We have some of the most, perhaps the most, dangerous people of any country ...
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Even been to Columbia? San Salvador? Caracas? Ethiopia?

The U.S. ranks 92nd among the highest intentional homocide countries. That's pretty far down the scale.

Taking guns away from law abiding people would place them at the mercy of hundreds of thousands of thugs. In any event, do you honestly believe that criminals would ever turn in their guns ?
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Perhaps the bad guys won't turn them in, but they can be taken from them, eventually. Worth a shot?

Otherwise, the snake will continue to consume its own tail.

Moreover, there have always been millions of guns in the hands of America's citizens, yet school shooting are a relatively new thing. The problem is NOT guns. The problem is that young men's minds are being warped by a tidal wave of various media violence AND no one is at home to supervise them. Change those two things and the school shootings will stop.
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According to one poll, gun ownership in the U.S. has dropped to its lowest point in nearly 40 years, so there may be some truth to what you say.

Still - can you imagine the uproar if the government tried to censor violence in the media? Would make gun control look like a front-porch discussion among neighbors.

No one at home? Oh, now you're asking for a major shift in society, everything from jobs availability to cost of living to who knows what else.

Sorry, folks, June Cleaver has left the building.
 
Warrigal said:
So many words written trying to find something to blame for mass murder except the ready availability of the AR - 15.
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The AR-15 is popular among American gun owners [me included.]

Liberals are beating their drums to ban the gun while they make excuses for 'poor little boy Cruz' who pulled the trigger.

I take an entirely different stance [same stance as my American forefathers]... law-aiding citizens should own guns and convicted murderers should be executed !
 
SifuPhil said:
Perhaps the bad guys won't turn them in, but they can be taken from them, eventually. Worth a shot?



According to one poll, gun ownership in the U.S. has dropped to its lowest point in nearly 40 years, so there may be some truth to what you say.

Still - can you imagine the uproar if the government tried to censor violence in the media? Would make gun control look like a front-porch discussion among neighbors.

No one at home? Oh, now you're asking for a major shift in society, everything from jobs availability to cost of living to who knows what else.

Sorry, folks, June Cleaver has left the building.
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How would you propose to take the guns away from the bad guys ? House to house search ? Use "profiling" to stop everyone who looked remotely suspicious ?

My suggestion re media violence would come about via PARENTAL action. Which is something sorely lacking in today's America.

June Cleaver has left the building? HA I'd just love to see you say that to my sister. That gal can be a very angry tiger. She ruled her home like a Marine Corps drill instructor. If one of her boys had dared to come home with green dyed hair she would have wrestled him to the ground and shaved him bald. And she turned out 3 of the finest young men I have ever seen. She is my hero.
 
KingsX said:
The AR-15 is popular among American gun owners [me included.]

Liberals are beating their drums to ban the gun while they make excuses for 'poor little boy Cruz' who pulled the trigger.

I take an entirely different stance [same stance as my American forefathers]... law-aiding citizens should own guns and convicted murderers should be executed !
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YES ! You go , girl.
 
KingsX said:
The AR-15 is popular among American gun owners [me included.]

Liberals are beating their drums to ban the gun while they make excuses for 'poor little boy Cruz' who pulled the trigger.

I take an entirely different stance [same stance as my American forefathers]... law-aiding citizens should own guns and convicted murderers should be executed !
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I haven't seen anyone, liberal or not, that has made excuses for "poor little boy Cruz" except for his public defenders, and I don't know their politics. I certainly have said otherwise.
 
Traveler said:
How would you propose to take the guns away from the bad guys ? House to house search ? Use "profiling" to stop everyone who looked remotely suspicious ?
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Profiling could be used, albeit not quite the way you propose. I was actually thinking that as a bad guy is arrested for whatever reason and is discovered to have a firearm, that will be one less firearm in circulation.

My suggestion re media violence would come about via PARENTAL action. Which is something sorely lacking in today's America.
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So if there IS no parenting going on, how will the violent media be curbed? Chicken and egg, no?

June Cleaver has left the building? HA I'd just love to see you say that to my sister. That gal can be a very angry tiger. She ruled her home like a Marine Corps drill instructor. If one of her boys had dared to come home with green dyed hair she would have wrestled him to the ground and shaved him bald. And she turned out 3 of the finest young men I have ever seen. She is my hero.
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That's ONE good person. We need to multiply that by a few hundred million, but again the question of HOW is left hanging.
 
Traveler said:
How would you propose to take the guns away from the bad guys ? House to house search ? Use "profiling" to stop everyone who looked remotely suspicious ?

My suggestion re media violence would come about via PARENTAL action. Which is something sorely lacking in today's America.

June Cleaver has left the building? HA I'd just love to see you say that to my sister. That gal can be a very angry tiger. She ruled her home like a Marine Corps drill instructor. If one of her boys had dared to come home with green dyed hair she would have wrestled him to the ground and shaved him bald. And she turned out 3 of the finest young men I have ever seen. She is my hero.
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Green hair? My son’s was orange. Fine, educated, upstanding young man, works for the gov’t, myself, I prefer my teal streaks, blends beautifully with auburn curls, fair skin, and dark eyes. May try peach for something different.
 
SifuPhil said:
Profiling could be used, albeit not quite the way you propose. I was actually thinking that as a bad guy is arrested for whatever reason and is discovered to have a firearm, that will be one less firearm in circulation.



So if there IS no parenting going on, how will the violent media be curbed? Chicken and egg, no?



That's ONE good person. We need to multiply that by a few hundred million, but again the question of HOW is left hanging.
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When a person is arrested the gun is automatically confiscated. So, that is obviously not enough. Next ?

As for your other two statements, I'd dearly love to answer but it would be against the rules of no political discussion.
 
Shalimar said:
Green hair? My son’s was orange. Fine, educated, upstanding young man, works for the gov’t, myself, I prefer my teal streaks, blends beautifully with auburn curls, fair skin, and dark eyes. May try peach for something different.
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I'm happy it worked for you and your son. Not every one has your skills, however. My sisters method worked for her and her 3 boys. For any single mom, successfully raising 3 strapping young boys is a task fit for super-woman.

I've got to run. The Olympics are coming on.
 
Traveler said:


YES ! You go , girl.
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I have a letter from my great grandmother to my grandmother.
In it she writes about the local public hanging of a murderer.
It was one of the last public hangings in Texas.

Now the injustice system coddles and frees murderers and other
destructive criminals so they can continue to prey on innocent society.

Texas still has the death penalty. But it is not used often enough.
 
KingsX said:
I have a letter from my great grandmother to my grandmother.
In it she writes about the local public hanging of a murderer.
It was one of the last public hangings in Texas.

Now the injustice system coddles and frees murderers and other
destructive criminals so they can continue to prey on innocent society.
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I thought lynchings occurred well into the middle of the twentieth century.
 
Shalimar said:
I thought lynchings occurred well into the middle of the twentieth century.
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It was an official legal public hanging in 1920s Texas.

Back then most laws in western Christian nations were Biblically based.

Death penalty for murderers is a Bible law.
 
Traveler said:
When a person is arrested the gun is automatically confiscated. So, that is obviously not enough. Next ?
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Coupled with a mandated reduction of the importation and manufacture of guns and longer sentences for illegal gun ownership, yes, it would be.

As for your other two statements, I'd dearly love to answer but it would be against the rules of no political discussion.
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Ah, okay. :(
 
Shalimar said:
So is stoning people for adultery.
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So is smiting.


  • 2 Samuel 6:6-11: God kills someone for accidentally touching the Ark of the Covenant
  • Numbers 16:16-49 & 21:5-6: Death to all those who complain (14,950 of them altogether)
  • Deuteronomy 28:63: God Rejoices Over Growing Populations So That He Can Rejoice Over Destroying Them
  • 2 Kings 2:23-24: 42 children are killed by two bears, for calling a prophet "baldy"


 
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