Another school shooting

Status
Not open for further replies.
Warrigal said:
Could you name a prominent cultural Marxist and say why this person qualifies for the label ?
Click to expand...


Oh, yes. No problem. Hanoi Jane for, obvious reasons. Just in case you are too young to remember, Jane Fonda traveled to North Viet Nam during the war and posed in front of anti-aircraft batteries that shot down American flyers. This propaganda stunt was choreographed by the NVA and Hanoi Jane, aka "Red Jane". While there she continued on her propaganda campaign against her own country. Meanwhile American boys were fighting and dying in South Viet Nam. In my opinion she should have had her passport revoked, and been tried for treason.

1067164.jpg HERE YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE 'RED JANE' POSING SITTING ON THE SEAT OF A NVA ANTI-AIRCRAFT BATTERY.
 

Warrigal said:
Yes, I do remember. And by extension, would all of the people protesting against this particular war also be cultural Marxists?
Click to expand...

Many of them were. To name just a few: Angela Davis (on the FBI's 10 most wanted list and leader of the Communist Party USA), Abbie Hoffman, Bernadine Dohrn (wanted for bombings), Madalyn Murray O'Hair (the woman responsible for getting prayer in schools banned), Allen Ginsberg, James Harris (socialist Workers Party), Tom Hayden (co-founder of the radical group S.D.S), The Weather Underground (infamous for multiple bombings), Jerry Rubin and let us not forget John Kerry who got his start as an anti-war activist, later to be U.S. Senator and in 2004 candidate for U.S. President.

All of the above worked in close partnership to give aid and comfort to the enemy and help the communists win the war. It was a conspiracy of cultural Marxists that did untold damage to America.
 

Traveler said:
Many of them were. To name just a few: Angela Davis (on the FBI's 10 most wanted list and leader of the Communist Party USA), Abbie Hoffman, Bernadine Dohrn (wanted for bombings), Madalyn Murray O'Hair (the woman responsible for getting prayer in schools banned), Allen Ginsberg, James Harris (socialist Workers Party), Tom Hayden (co-founder of the radical group S.D.S), The Weather Underground (infamous for multiple bombings), Jerry Rubin and let us not forget John Kerry who got his start as an anti-war activist, later to be U.S. Senator and in 2004 candidate for U.S. President.

All of the above worked in close partnership to give aid and comfort to the enemy and help the communists win the war. It was a conspiracy of cultural Marxists that did untold damage to America.
Click to expand...

Another variation on Chicken Little the Sky is Falling?

I was a close observer of the Vietnam War. My mileage varied quite widely from yours, to misquote the old Internet bulletin boards.
 
Does anyone realize that we (the U.S.) supposedly had 18 school shootings since the beginning of 2018? Not all of the shootings have resulted in injury or death, but nonetheless, there have been 18 incidents of school shootings ranging from just the firing of a gun to an injury and now number 18 resulted in deaths.

The numbers are a bit skewed, but even if some of the shootings only resulted in the discharge of a weapon, this number should act as an eye-opener.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/15/her...eport-of-18-school-shootings-breaks-down.html
 
Last edited:
Yes, 911, I saw that, and I agree with you. Until the nation wakes up and begins to understand that the shootings are a symptom of a deeper, underlying problem, the slaughter of innocents will continue.

I thought that the Sandy Hook massacre of the tiniest children would so shock the sensibilities of the nation that people would finally demand an answer to why young men are picking up weapons and committing these horrible crimes.

Unfortunately, I see little or no national discussion of why this is happening. Focusing on gun laws is, in my opinion, completely missing the point. Namely, that the minds of so many young men are being warped.
 
Until the nation wakes up and begins to understand that the shootings are a symptom of a deeper, underlying problem, the slaughter of innocents will continue.
Click to expand...

On that much, we agree, Traveler. But your version of the underlying problem is very different from mine. Parents are not perfect, and that has often been the case down through history. Parents (usually fathers) have often been absent. That's not the underlying problem.

What is? Guns, man, guns. Back in the good old days you are so fond of, disturbed people did not have access to assault rifles.
 
I certainly do not have thee answer to this problem, but for now, school personnel must continue to be hyper vigilant and continue to strongly urge students not to take remarks made by their friends that are related to or have anything to do with bringing a weapon to school as just someone blowing smoke. Students should strongly be advised to consult with any adult in the school anything that is overheard by their fellow student and related to threatening to bring a weapon to school.

I would also also like to see schools go to using metal detectors when entering a building and also having only one entrance to the school that would be highly monitored.

For now, protection should be a priority, at least until someone can come up with a plan to limit being at risk. Implementing a plan to reduce the number of weapons in the U.S. is going to be an uphill battle. I, for one, feel much safer when I am out and about and knowing that I have my weapon close at hand.
 
Sunny said:
On that much, we agree, Traveler. But your version of the underlying problem is very different from mine. Parents are not perfect, and that has often been the case down through history. Parents (usually fathers) have often been absent. That's not the underlying problem.

What is? Guns, man, guns. Back in the good old days you are so fond of, disturbed people did not have access to assault rifles.
Click to expand...


It is may be true that what you say about modern assault weapons not being available to disturbed people, back in the 1950's. However, many other types of weapons were readily available, the M-1 carbine being just one of many. In case you are unaware, the M-1 carbine will fire a round every time the trigger is pulled. Additionally, pump-style shot-guns have been common place. That gun, when loaded with 00 buckshot is a formidable weapon capable of horrific destruction.

Sunny, look at it this way. Can any 18 year-old walk into a gun store and buy a wide variety of weapons? Yes, they can. Just walk in, fill out a bit of paperwork, and walk out with a long gun, all within 30 minutes. The deeper question, Sunny, is WHY does one boy take that weapon and kill with it but millions of other boys do not ?

In any event, what would you have us do ? Ban all guns? All rifles, all shot-guns and all pistols ? That, my friend, is a non-starter. It is NEVER going to happen.
 
I think part of the problem with that age group/culture is desensitization. Not just movie or game violence either. It seems like the more outlandish stuff one does the more stupid becomes acceptable. A few weeks ago I posted a story about a younger fan eating poop for a celebration, not a protest. And the fool gets national attention for eating horse poop. People didn't call him out or comment how sick he could get they were just wow, huh.

http://wjla.com/news/offbeat/eagles-fan-eats-horse-poop-while-celebrating-super-bowl-victory

Throw in drugs, emotions. living circumstances and actual medical issues etc this generation or society ain't gonna end well.
 
WhatInThe said:
I think part of the problem with that age group/culture is desensitization. Not just movie or game violence either. It seems like the more outlandish stuff one does the more stupid becomes acceptable. A few weeks ago I posted a story about a younger fan eating poop for a celebration, not a protest. And the fool gets national attention for eating horse poop. People didn't call him out or comment how sick he could get they were just wow, huh.

http://wjla.com/news/offbeat/eagles-fan-eats-horse-poop-while-celebrating-super-bowl-victory

Throw in drugs, emotions. living circumstances and actual medical issues etc this generation or society ain't gonna end well.
Click to expand...



Yes, spot on, correct.
 
Traveler, I would not ban all guns. But I think assault rifles, submachine guns, and those bump stocks should be made illegal immediately. Gun dealers would face heavy penalties for selling them. Maybe
people could be generously compensated for turning that type of weapon in. There is absolutely no justification for anyone owning them, outside of the military or the police.

In addition, there has to be more enforcement of not selling to obviously disturbed individuals. There should be a registry of people who are likely to commit these mass shootings, similar to the registry of
sex offenders.
 
Sunny said:
Traveler, I would not ban all guns. But I think assault rifles, submachine guns, and those bump stocks should be made illegal immediately. Gun dealers would face heavy penalties for selling them. Maybe
people could be generously compensated for turning that type of weapon in. There is absolutely no justification for anyone owning them, outside of the military or the police.

In addition, there has to be more enforcement of not selling to obviously disturbed individuals. There should be a registry of people who are likely to commit these mass shootings, similar to the registry of
sex offenders.
Click to expand...


I, personally, would have no problem with the banning of those weapons, but I'm afraid that the NRA would fight that tooth and nail. I certainly agree that there is no valid reason for selling or owning guns like that. They are of no use for hunting, so that leaves just target practice.

Truly, I know next to nothing about those types of weapons or why anyone would want them. Heck, I don't even hunt and I never have had any interest in doing so.

Perhaps, our friend 911 could help us out here. If he was at a combat range, could he get off practically an unlimited amount of rounds with an automatic hand gun, provided he had a 20 loaded clips on his person ? If the answer is yes, wouldn't that be just as deadly as an AR-15 ?
 
911 said:
Does anyone realize that we (the U.S.) supposedly had 18 school shootings since the beginning of 2018? Not all of the shootings have resulted in injury or death, but nonetheless, there have been 18 incidents of school shootings ranging from just the firing of a gun to an injury and now number 18 resulted in deaths.

The numbers are a bit skewed, but even if some of the shootings only resulted in the discharge of a weapon, this number should act as an eye-opener.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/15/her...eport-of-18-school-shootings-breaks-down.html
Click to expand...


Were all those government schools ??

Good incentive for homeschooling.
 
Traveler said:
I, personally, would have no problem with the banning of those weapons, but I'm afraid that the NRA would fight that tooth and nail. I certainly agree that there is no valid reason for selling or owning guns like that. They are of no use for hunting, so that leaves just target practice.

Truly, I know next to nothing about those types of weapons or why anyone would want them. Heck, I don't even hunt and I never have had any interest in doing so.

Perhaps, our friend 911 could help us out here. If he was at a combat range, could he get off practically an unlimited amount of rounds with an automatic hand gun, provided he had a 20 loaded clips on his person ? If the answer is yes, wouldn't that be just as deadly as an AR-15 ?
Click to expand...


The second amendment says nothing about hunting and target practice.
A well armed citizen militia was for protecting the people and society
from enemies... sometimes that enemy is a home or school invader...
sometimes that enemy is oppressive government.

In the Texas Declaration of Independence, Texans list many oppressions
conducted by the Mexican government against Texas citizens.

Here is one of them:

"It has demanded us to deliver up our arms, which are essential to our defence,
the rightful property of freemen, and formidable only to tyrannical governments."

https://www.tsl.texas.gov/treasures/republic/declaration.html


As Thomas Jefferson said:

" God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion."

" What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? "

" The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. "


https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/01-12-02-0348

.
 
I think the idea of protecting yourself from a government gone bad with a few guns is laughable.

Have you seen lately what the U.S. armed forces have at their disposal? Even what many urban police forces have?

The real world isn't Red Dawn, no matter what the bunker-buddies in Montana tell each other.
 
SifuPhil said:
I think the idea of protecting yourself from a government gone bad with a few guns is laughable.

Have you seen lately what the U.S. armed forces have at their disposal? Even what many urban police forces have?

The real world isn't Red Dawn, no matter what the bunker-buddies in Montana tell each other.
Click to expand...



What you are saying is this... if citizens do nothing early on to curtail government oppression
and once an oppressive government has all the weapons necessary to make war against its
own people to prevent a successful rebellion [the civil war comes to mind]... then the only
way that government will be overthrown is by implosion, foreign invasion and/or an act of God.
 
KingsX said:
What you are saying is this... if citizens do nothing early on to curtail government oppression
and once an oppressive government has all the weapons necessary to make war against its
own people to prevent a successful rebellion [the civil war comes to mind]... then the only
way that government will be overthrown is by implosion, foreign invasion and/or an act of God.
Click to expand...

Who makes the decision on oppression.? What is an 'oppressive' government?

Isn't raising taxes a form of oppression?
 
KingsX said:
What you are saying is this... if citizens do nothing early on to curtail government oppression
and once an oppressive government has all the weapons necessary to make war against its
own people to prevent a successful rebellion [the civil war comes to mind]... then the only
way that government will be overthrown is by implosion, foreign invasion and/or an act of God.
Click to expand...

No, I wasn't saying that. Those are your words.

So, early on, we should take our little 9mms and our scary-looking tactical rifles with a few clips and oppose the government?

What would our targets be? Mayors? Senators? The President?

What do you think would happen in that scenario? This isn't 1776 anymore, nor even 1865. The government's tools are a BIT more advanced than what civilian "militias" have.

But you're right about the means of overthrow. We should have learned those lessons a long time ago, with the number of hot-spots we've thrown ourselves into around the world. Those places could not overthrow their governments, so we did a "foreign invasion" and saved their biscuits.

And yes, we lost a few of those as well.

My thought is - if you want change, work with the system or work within the system, but don't work against the system.
 
Camper6 said:
Who makes the decision on oppression.? What is an 'oppressive' government?
Click to expand...

Evidently, any government that isn't to someone's liking.

Isn't raising taxes a form of oppression?
Click to expand...

I don't know. Some places like Amsterdam have tax rates of 36.55%, 40.85%, and 51.95%, but every social need is provided for and the people rank among the happiest in the world.

(To be fair, they've actually lowered their tax rates - they used to be up around ~70% for the upper brackets.)
 
My first teaching job was at a high school which was all over the front pages of America because of federal school busing. I went past a metal detector every day. There were more state troopers inside the school than there were students. Fights occurred every week. Some teachers read newspapers during their classes. I wouldn't see some students for weeks at a time. Those kids lost out on an education.

Today's kids recognize they can't vote, but they can organize and protest. Last month there was a lockdown drill in the school that I was subbing at. I wear a badge with a key on the chain. The key isn't for me to open up the door when we all come back in from recess.

The key around my neck is for locking the classroom door when a shooter has entered the school. My duty is to protect and shield my class from harm. As a veteran I'll gladly assume responsibility for deterring some misguided assassin. I hope it never comes to that but understand why America seems unable to resolve this problem. Four million high school students will be eligible to vote by the next election. They are already making a ton of noise and standing up for their rights. The solution is out there and I hope we find it.
 
The kids who survived the massacre in Florida are planning a march on Washington. They say they are being neglected by the adults in charge and the march will not be associated with either political party. I hope they get a good reception and that they spur adults to take a look at the whole gun safety issue.
 
TonyK, yes indeed, the students of today, will be voting tomorrow. There is only one problem. The 2nd Amendment.

Voters could elect the most liberal person imaginable to the Presidency and that person might be able to shove through both Houses of Congress a total ban on any, or all, guns. But, in the end, the 9 Supreme Court Justices will have the final say whether such a ban is, or is not, Constitutional.

There exists another possible way to achieve the ban. That would be if 2/3rds of the states voted to repeal the 2nd Amendment. If that happened, then the U.S. Congress could write any ban, full or partial, that they chose. But, I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
Camper6 said:
Who makes the decision on oppression.? What is an 'oppressive' government?

Isn't raising taxes a form of oppression?
Click to expand...


SifuPhil said:
I don't know. Some places like Amsterdam have tax rates of 36.55%, 40.85%, and 51.95%, but every social need is provided for and the people rank among the happiest in the world.

(To be fair, they've actually lowered their tax rates - they used to be up around ~70% for the upper brackets.)
Click to expand...



Anyone here remember the infamous tax on tea and the famous Boston Tea Party ??

Or do cultural marxist government run schools no longer teach that or teach it as a negative ??
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top