Anti-Gun Rallies

BobF said:
And that is the problem with the direction being taken by those young folks. They will never be able to take all guns away so the schools will remain a target for a mental person on a rage.

Best to forget the guns and start protecting the public from gun nuts. In schools we need to position gun trained persons, cops or teachers will do. Let the public know that assaults in schools will be a suicidal act by the gunners. That in itself will deter many nuts. Defense forces will definitely reduce the mass numbers.

It is not the gun that matters but the safety for the public is what counts. Which is one element not being talked about at these poorly directed marches.
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How many positions would have to be covered in a typical high school? To cover just yard duty at recess times I had to roster four staff at a time to cover all of the outside areas that the kids had access to. I did not worry about any out of bounds areas or the school buildings at those times. There would still need to be someone on guard at the school gates/building entrances to avoid someone sneaking in and hiding somewhere.

Surveillance cameras in every corridor, classroom and toilet block? Is this how schools should be forced to operate?
 

ClassicRockr said:
Age wise? Why am I asking..........I think Big Horn could be talking about older teens, perhaps those that recently graduated high school. If they age goes into a Home Depot to buy fertilizer, seriously doubt anyone going to question the kid.

Seriously don't think a major big store, like Home Depot, wants to get into trouble, or even sued, for reporting someone young that is picking up something for his parents lawn or garden. But, never know.
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Ever heard of a poisons register where purchases of certain substances are bought in bulk?
Also a register for ammonium fertilisers and anything else needed to make high explosives?
Items needed to be noted in the register should not be available at stores such as Walmart where keeping a resister is not feasible.

These registers are helpful in spotting someone who is stockpiling dangerous chemicals.
 
BobF said:
There is something wrong with our culture these days. No respect for anyone or themselves or our country. No matter what the issue might be it just needs to have a lot of folks linking their arms and chanting pointless ideas together.

Has any one looked into the Swiss ways and tried to understand how they each have weapons and can take them with them on buses or trains or into restaurants and home. They seem to have the necessary principles for the weapons and must have a decent system that does not allow killer attitudes to be running freely. That is more like the way we once lived in the US too. For the Swiss it is about self defense and military duty as they grow up to adulthood. Maybe something there for the US to emulate. Maybe a couple years of strict military training would help put maturity into the minds of our people.

The Swiss are doing exactly what the US is wanting to do, but in a slightly different way. And it has been working for them for hundreds of years. Their maturity started way back when horses were popular. Swords and knives were the weapons of battle but now they have armed vehicles and use cannons, rifles, pistols, keep them at home.
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I call BS on the idea that the Swiss keep armed vehicles and cannons at home. Your move.
 

Warrigal said:
How many positions would have to be covered in a typical high school? To cover just yard duty at recess times I had to roster four staff at a time to cover all of the outside areas that the kids had access to. I did not worry about any out of bounds areas or the school buildings at those times. There would still need to be someone on guard at the school gates/building entrances to avoid someone sneaking in and hiding somewhere.

Surveillance cameras in every corridor, classroom and toilet block? Is this how schools should be forced to operate?
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I don't remember anyone saying it would be an easy job. So far, does your society show itself to be maniacs and want to be known as the countries most successful mass killer?

The job is to keep any and all nutters from shooting up kids. Each school district will have its own concerns and likely no two schools will be the same. Having at least one armed person always available would be a start. Having hired security guards would always be nice bit of budget broken then arming the staff would be helpful to say the least.

To help the students get past the scared feelings it takes some good directions from the older folks.
 
Warrigal said:
I call BS on the idea that the Swiss keep armed vehicles and cannons at home. Your move.
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My son has lived in the Swiss territories and tells of the following. You attack my post as I was talking about being armed and taking them home. You challenge the cannon at home so I will clarify by telling of one small building near some rural homes, as an example of public awareness. It looks just like a barn near those family homes. In case of problems the barn opens up and exposes a cannon for the local folks to use. It may not be in a home but is so close that the home is still there for holding the machine guns the military has given most folks to train with and use in case of war.

What seems to be lost in the US is a dedication to the nation, our flag, the Constitution. We have a lot of uneducated college level folks that rather stand with hands out expecting government handouts, rather than doing something grand for the country like get jobs as saviors of our young folks in public places.
 
Warrigal, you may think what I post is just BS but that is likely because you have not done much look up on the Swiss. Below is some that I have read up on and saved, I have more and believe more can be had looking around on the web sources.

http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/articles/guns-crime-swiss.html



Guns, Crime, and the Swiss
by Stephen P. Halbrook, Ph.D., J.D.


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Actually, for those who think that target shooting is more fun than golf, Switzerland is anything but "dull." By car or by train, you see shooting ranges all over the country, but only a few golf courses. If there is a Schuetzenfest in town, you will find rifles slung on hat racks in restaurants, and you will encounter men and women, old and young, walking, biking, and taking the tram with rifles over the shoulder, to and from the range. They stroll right past the police station and no one bats an eye (in the U.S. a SWAT Team might do you in).


Tourists--especially those from Japan, where guns are banned to all but the police--think it's a revolution. But shooting is really just the national sport, although it has the deadly serious function of being the backbone of the national defense.


Although there is more per capita firepower in Switzerland than any place in the world, it is one of the safest places to be. To the delight of Americans who support the right to keep and bear arms, Switzerland is the proof in the pudding of the argument that guns don't cause crime.



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When the first U.S. Congress met and turned to defense measures in 1791, Representative Jackson argued: "The inhabitants of Switzerland emancipated themselves by the establishment of a militia, which finally delivered them from the tyranny of their lords." A law was passed requiring every able-bodied citizen to provide himself with a firearm and enroll in the militia, and it stayed on the books for over a century.
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http://pages.prodigy.net/vanhooser/the_swiss_and_their_guns.htm


The Swiss and their Guns


By David B. Kopel and Stephen D'Andrilli
( American Rifleman February 1990 )


"What America can learn from Switzerland is that the best way to reduce gun misuse is to promote responsible gun ownership."


In the right to bear arms debate, pro-gun Americans point to Switzerland, where almost every adult male is legally required to possess a gun. One of the few nations with a higher per capita rate of gun ownership than the United States, Switzerland has virtually no gun crime. Therefore, argue the pro-gunners, America doesn't need gun control.


Yet Handgun Control, Inc. (HCI), in its brochure "Handgun Facts," points to Switzerland as one of the advanced nations with strict handgun laws." The brochure states that all guns are registered, and handgun purchases require a background check and a permit. Gun crime in Switzerland is virtually non-existent. Therefore, concludes Handgun Control, America needs strict gun control.


Who's right? As usual, Handgun Control is wrong, but that doesn't necessarily make the pro-gun side right. Gun ownership in Switzerland defies the simple categories of the American gun debate.


Like America, Switzerland won its independence in a revolutionary war fought by an armed citizenry. In 1291, several cantons (states) began a war of national liberation against Austria's Hapsburg Empire. In legend, the revolution was precipitated by William Tell, although there is no definitive proof of his existence.


Over the next century, the Swiss militia liberated most Switzerland from the Austrians. The ordinary citizens who composed the militia used the deadliest assault weapons the time, swords and bows. Crucial to the Swiss victory was the motivation of the free Swiss troops.


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BobF said:
Warrigal, more for all to see. I did not look up those older links that my previous posts came from but I do think this newer link reads well and even backs up some things that you seem to have called BS. I would expect you to know better from past experiences.

http://www.migflug.com/jetflights/hidden-swiss-air-force.html
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:lol: You have my measure but it is Good Friday morning here now, I'm at my sister's homeand the family have just arrived for lunch. So, gotta go now
 
There's not a solution that will stop people from killing others. What bothers me is why they are these young people doing it? What is causing them to have such evil existing in them to kill fellow students?

Further, what has changed in society to allow these folks to slip through the cracks? I can't say all, but most had a history of some type of severe mental issue. Even more troubling is that people had prior knowledge that the mental issues existed yet did nothing to circumvent them either purchasing firearms or gaining access to them. I mean seriously, if a family member is unstable why on earth would a household have firearms (Sandy Hook)?
 
squatting dog said:
Earlier 911 was wondering about the info on number of guns in the country. Well, my unscientific data was made by using my current home state statistics. See chart below. :D:D
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New Mexico is probably about the same. I don't know how anybody would get an accurate count of guns in the country -- gun sales wouldn't show an accurate count of how many guns are out there, only how many were sold in any given year. My state does not have registration for most weapons so nobody really knows how many are here and I doubt people would answer honestly if asked by the government if and how many weapons are in their possession.
 
JB in SC said:
There's not a solution that will stop people from killing others. What bothers me is why they are these young people doing it? What is causing them to have such evil existing in them to kill fellow students?

Further, what has changed in society to allow these folks to slip through the cracks? I can't say all, but most had a history of some type of severe mental issue. Even more troubling is that people had prior knowledge that the mental issues existed yet did nothing to circumvent them either purchasing firearms or gaining access to them. I mean seriously, if a family member is unstable why on earth would a household have firearms (Sandy Hook)?
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Did you ever notice? It's only males.
 
I think, like this last dude that done the school shooting, people “think” too compassionately about some kid that has problems.

This dude’s buddy convinced his parents to allow this killer to move in with them.....along with all of his firearms.

Nothing like being overly compassionate and having it backfire on you!
 
JB in SC said:
There's not a solution that will stop people from killing others. What bothers me is why they are these young people doing it? What is causing them to have such evil existing in them to kill fellow students?

Further, what has changed in society to allow these folks to slip through the cracks? I can't say all, but most had a history of some type of severe mental issue. Even more troubling is that people had prior knowledge that the mental issues existed yet did nothing to circumvent them either purchasing firearms or gaining access to them. I mean seriously, if a family member is unstable why on earth would a household have firearms (Sandy Hook)?
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Whats changed? Seriously?
Perhaps it’s the fact that as a society we glamourize violence.
Look at the movies people like to watch. We sensationalize violence and then wonder why our youth are so messed up.
 
Keesha said:
Whats changed? Seriously?
Perhaps it’s the fact that as a society we glamourize violence.
Look at the movies people like to watch. We sensationalize violence and then wonder why our youth are so messed up.
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In some ways, just can't blame things on movies and tv. While growing up, a lot of us watched the old Western's on tv that showed quite a bit of violence, such as the gunfight at the OK Corral. What about the Prohibition days and the St Valentine's Day Massacre
 
ClassicRockr said:
In some ways, just can't blame things on movies and tv. While growing up, a lot of us watched the old Western's on tv that showed quite a bit of violence, such as the gunfight at the OK Corral. What about the Prohibition days and the St Valentine's Day Massacre
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Oh I don’t just blame television. Honestly I don’t have the answer. I’ve never understood why people feel the need to use violence but then again I don’t really understand people.
It seems that we live in a world where modern technology has superseded our moral compass.
 
I mean seriously, if a family member is unstable why on earth would a household have firearms (Sandy Hook)?
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JB, remember the famous George Carlin quote: "Just think how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of the population is even stupider than that."
 
ClassicRockr said:
In some ways, just can't blame things on movies and tv. While growing up, a lot of us watched the old Western's on tv that showed quite a bit of violence, such as the gunfight at the OK Corral. What about the Prohibition days and the St Valentine's Day Massacre
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I would be hard pressed to see a correlation as well. Millions watch violent films and play first person shooter games, only a tiny fraction of the population commit these acts. There's something in their psyche that triggers such action.
 
ClassicRockr said:
Except for the one young female that used her .22 rifle, from her bedroom window, years ago.
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Yes and stupidity reared it's ugly head again. That was a long time ago. Nowadays she would have used a semi automatic rifle.

She asked for a radio for Christmas. Her father bought her a gun instead.

But that's the only incident I can think of that a female was involved in a mass shooting like the ones we see now.
 
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