Are there ANGELS?

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RE: "hearing voices"...God doesn't speak in an audible voice, at least not to me.....it's a much clearer voice than that. It's so clear and so right-on, precise, and pure in the message, perfect in the timing, and the power of it. It's also something that I clearly wouldn't have come up with on my own. And is always what's best for me. Only then do I know for sure it's from God.

It doesn't happen often...not every week, nor every month even...not to me anyway. It sometimes happens to me just after a deeply sincere heartfelt prayer, or a profound moment in life. And always when my relationship is close with Him. If I'm in a state of disobedience, not reading scripture, not prayerful, or not seeking Him first in all things, then I hear nothing. And that happens because I'm not perfect.

Disclaimer: You may call this post proselytizing but it's no more proselytizing than atheists, agnostics, and general naysayers posting their opinions, thoughts, and beliefs to readers of a different persuasion. I have no interest in changing minds of those who don't want it. But I do have an interest in my freedoms of speech and religion.

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Homeschoolie said:
Ouch !! It is very harsh and barbaric to be hurt in order to make those changes....many non-abrahamic religion people change every way you mentioned above without being harmed first. The motivation is because we realize what we are saying, doing, believing, not doing etc is not the best way to be or it is creating/causing negative and/or harm within our own lives or the lives of others or the world we live in.
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Homeschoolie said:
WHooa, wait a minute, ...and this "Loving" Heavenly Father God allowed you to be, or he himself, slammed to the ground, inflicting MULTIPLE very painful potentially permanent Injuries to prove to you that he exists and show you how much he "loves" you....No thank you! I will pass on worshipping and following someone or something who shows its love and care for me with physical harm and suffering.

Did you show YOUR children how much you "loved" them by physically damaging them?

There are millions of positive loving ways to prove love and existence!
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God is a loving Father, and He cares for each one of His children. He is NOT going to slam to the ground or inflict multiple stuff on His children. He is a healer, provider, protector and much, much more. And God does not have to prove His love to anyone, it is ready and available to be chosen at any time. I am hearing in your statements, anger, hurt and a lot of emotions. Never rely or put your trust in your emotions. They are so temporary. Sure, bad things happen, but they are also temporary and miracles do happen.
 
fancicoffee13 said:
God is a loving Father, and He cares for each one of His children. He is NOT going to slam to the ground or inflict multiple stuff on His children. He is a healer, provider, protector and much, much more. And God does not have to prove His love to anyone, it is ready and available to be chosen at any time. I am hearing in your statements, anger, hurt and a lot of emotions. Never rely or put your trust in your emotions. They are so temporary. Sure, bad things happen, but they are also temporary and miracles do happen.
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Nope no anger, hurt etc. If there is any emotion it is that people still peddle false hope, false promises but their God never shows up and does as promised. This causes even more pain, hurt and suffering for people. Just looking at facts, truth and the reality of life: I Extensively researched proclaimed Miracles. Me, and everyone else who has tried, have found little or no documented proof, just hearsay most of the time. Only things that are stated to be miracles and that have any documented proof are the "soft" healings that the human body and/or immune system is able to heal and does so for people of every spiritual practice and belief. Even Satanists and Atheists experience the "Soft" healings.

Science is a better God then God is. Especially now with Stem Cell technology. The other is determining how to turn on the creation switch in the body. Our bodies know how to create whatever is needed. It did it when we were in the womb. It can do it again. The day is coming when we will be able to regrow teeth, eyes, cartilage, human organs etc. I just hope they hurry up and I live long enough to be here when this is a reality to help end human suffering.
 
Capt Lightning said:
A lot of this reminds me of my mother who, when something bad happened, would say that it was just God's way. Then again, she was never able to explain why she believed that.
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I totally get your mother (no surprise there lol). If believers in God had to explain why they believe then it wouldn't be called "believing"...it would be called "knowing".

As you know, we only use a small portion of what our minds are capable of, and even if we used them to full capacity, how could it ever match the Creator of the Universe & all Living Matter? Think a perfect ginormous complicated web of plans that overlap, perfectly timed, etc etc. Sometimes, with patience, we eventually see why.

@Homeschoolie ....who created science? Who created the researchers of stem cell technology?

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Angels do exist. If that is the label chosen to describe waves of energy, energy fields. Other labels given to the various types of energy that is in and all around us is Great Spirit, Animal Guides, Spirit Guides, Life Force Energy, Demons, Devils, Satan, God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, Thor, Osiris, Reiki and dozens of others. Lots of different ways to describe/label it. Everything and everyone has energy waves/fields. This energy manifests in numerous ways. So, yep there are angels.
 
fancicoffee13 said:
God is a loving Father, and He cares for each one of His children. He is NOT going to slam to the ground or inflict multiple stuff on His children. He is a healer, provider, protector and much, much more. And God does not have to prove His love to anyone, it is ready and available to be chosen at any time. I am hearing in your statements, anger, hurt and a lot of emotions. Never rely or put your trust in your emotions. They are so temporary. Sure, bad things happen, but they are also temporary and miracles do happen.
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How does that idea that
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"He is NOT going to slam to the ground or inflict multiple stuff on His children. He is a healer, provider, protector and much, much more. "
match what took place at Sandy Hook elementary school where "his children" were slaughtered?
 
@Knight, there will always be Good and Evil because we were created with the ability to choose between the two. God wanted us to choose Good but unfortunately the world has turned their back on God. So heinous crimes are the result. As for the children who died. You may have heard me say this before, God doesn't look at death as a bad thing. He took those children home and surrounded them with perfect love and security.

PVC, God doesn't look at them as freaks like many do. He loves them the same as He loves you. The problem lies with those who don't accept them as beautiful souls...and looking beyond what's "normal".

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Lara said:
@Knight, God doesn't look at death as a bad thing. He took those children home and surrounded them with perfect love and security.

PVC, God doesn't look at them as freaks like many do. He loves them the same as He loves you. The problem lies with those who don't accept them as beautiful souls...and looking beyond what's "normal".
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Why let them be born in the first place, he could have kept them in ''heaven'' and not subjected them to the pain and terror inflicted by the killer.

MOST of the world sees them as freaks. You've NEVER stared at someone with a gross physical defect? WHY make them different, what did they do to him, they were born that way as infants BEFORE they even were able to commit a sin?
 
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Hey, this planet is effed up.
Been that way for a very long time.
It's all the results of godlessness.
Our freedom of choice.
We've not been very good with our choices.

We do still get a glimpse from time to time.

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Looking forward to the new earth
 
PVC...To answer your first question. Yes, God could have kept them in heaven and never born. God could have done that with all of us for that matter because we all suffer to one degree or another. But then there would be no reason for creating Earth at all if there was no one to live here to enjoy the flora and fauna, to learn lessons, to feel love and joy, to reach out and help our fellow man, to grow in many ways, to love our neighbor as we want to be loved, etc etc.

Your second question, you wanted God to make us all look beautiful? all look the same?
all have no trials nothing to learn? Nothing to teach us anything? We'd all be a bunch of shallow robots. That wasn't God's plan.
 
Lara said:
Your second question, you wanted God to make us all look beautiful? all look the same?
all have no trials nothing to learn? Nothing to teach us anything? We'd all be a bunch of shallow robots. That wasn't God's plan.
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Not beautiful, just normal, like everyone else. What exactly is God teaching those poor people above? They didn't do anything wrong when they were born, they didn't commit any sins or refuse to love him. You say we're born with free will, was it those people's ''free will'' to be born that way?
 
PVC said:
Not beautiful, just normal, like everyone else. What exactly is God teaching those poor people above? They didn't do anything wrong when they were born, they didn't commit any sins or refuse to love him. You say we're born with free will, was it those people's ''free will'' to be born that way?
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It's just the results
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PVC..."Free Will" comes after birth.

Look up the life of Andrea Bocelli. As you know, he's blind and one of the best singers on the planet. His mother was told to have an abortion because he would never be "normal". She refused (obviously) but she had to fight for him. What a talented beautiful blessing he has been to so many. He's showered with love and you can see he's happy. There are many heartwarming stories like his.

Those with down-syndrome used to be looked upon so negatively and also mothers were told to abort those children. But as we've all learned, they are the most loving, sweet, kind, precious souls that ever walked the planet. They are also talented and able to hold jobs quite well. They have genuine joy and lots of friends. God is watching who loves them and who doesn't.

America's Got Talent is full of talented children with handicaps. The last one I watched was an accomplished pianist and won the competition and the joy he felt just lit the whole place up. And the mother was right by his side the whole time and never stopped smiling...beaming from ear to ear. It was beautiful. God is watching. He is pleased.

Let's not forget Stephen Hawking...a genius and nothing held him back and highly respected, appreciated, and loved by many.
 
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Lara said:
PVC..."Free Will" comes after birth.

Look up the life of Andrea Bocelli. As you know, he's blind and one of the best singers on the planet. His mother was told to have an abortion because he would never be "normal". She refused (obviously) but she had to fight for him. What a talented beautiful blessing he has been to so many. He's showered with love and you can see he's happy. There are many heartwarming stories like his.

Those with down-syndrome used to be looked upon so negatively and also mothers were told to abort those children. But as we've all learned, they are the most loving, sweet, kind, precious souls that ever walked the planet. They are also talented and able to hold jobs quite well. They have genuine joy and lots of friends. God is watching who loves them and who doesn't.

America's Got Talent is full of talented children with handicaps. The last one I watched was an accomplished pianist and won the competition and the joy he felt just lit the whole place up. And the mother was right by his side the whole time and never stopped smiling...beaming from ear to ear. It was beautiful. God is watching. He is pleased.
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I didn't ask if these people adapt to their handicap. Survival is our strongest instinct and we try to make do against all odds. All those people may look ''happy'' in public, but I'm sure they suffer because of their disabilities and their feelings of being ''different''. I know Bocelli has a beautiful voice, but only he knows his silent agonies of being blind.

Down-syndrome people can function if they're almost average intelligence, many are like babies and cannot work or care for themselves.

I asked why did God punish these people by making them different or disabled, WHAT is he teaching them, that suffering is a requisite of getting his love?
 
Fancicoffee, you are not offering any proof whatsoever. You are just repeating the ancient assertions of those who made up a deity to terrify people into following the religion they represented. The amazing thing to me is that people in the modern world believe that the fact that someone many centuries ago claimed something was true constitutes "evidence."

As fuzzybuddy said, it is impossible to prove that something is not true. Let's say I believe that the tooth fairy is real. You claim that she isn't, she is just a fairy tale creature made up for little children. But can you prove that she isn't real? I insist that she is. She really, really exists. (I can add a few more "really's")

So who has the burden of proof, me or you? I say something without any evidence whatever is true. Because that's what I was taught as a little kid. You say no, it isn't. I'd be the one who has to offer some proof, right?

And your repeated use of the word "created" comes right out of the Christian rule book. Science offers other evidence of its truth, evidence that can be proven. I prefer to go with that, as I live in the 21st century, not (as I said) in the 13th.
 
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