Warrigal
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I disagree.
Rights are protected by the courts.
Courts are not responsible for health.
Health, including community health, is the responsibility of governments.
I disagree.
Without our civil liberties we're just cattle.
If it's a socio economic issue, OK. This is jabbing healthy people with an experimental drug and/or locking them down at will until the world is immune which is ridiculous.
I applaud your confidence & wish you well.Certain pols told us without any presenting so much as an iota of proof there were WMD all over Iraq and that mushroom clouds were impending. Too many people believed this nonsense and thousands needlessly perished because of it. By contrast, with the consensus reached by so many experts in the medical field (including a great many who are not in government) and other lines of work, I believe we can all take that vaccine in confidence.
Those patients weren't being mandated to take unwanted care. Therein lies the difference.Ben Franklin said it is the government's role to look after your health especially if you are poor. This is why he and Dr. Thomas Bond helped found a public hospital. Just in case someone thinks that is a communist idea, this was about 70 years before Marx was born.
So they made the same injustice twice....and that makes it ok? Two wrongs make it right??? Gotcha..... Makes sense.....to a socialist.The government locked down people in 1918 in order to combat the plague back then. Courts upheld this action based on ancient laws of quarantine which were legal under the Anglo Saxon common law. Therefore, it is perfectly legal today.
Those patients weren't being mandated to take unwanted care. Therein lies the difference.
So they made the same injustice twice....and that makes it ok? Two wrongs make it right??? Gotcha..... Makes sense.....to a socialist.
Mary Mallon was not forced to take treatments. She was forced in quarantine for the last 20 years of her life and died after about 30 years in isolation.Read up on Typhoid Mary. She was forced to take treatments she didn't want.
Socialism didn't begin with Marxist theory........these ridiculous primitive ideas predate him by millennia.Correction: two acts of preventive medicine for the greater good of society. Just like our Founding Fathers and others of that era did when enforcing the quarantine laws. Marx wasn't even born yet so disabuse yourself of the socialist tags.
Mary Mallon was not forced to take treatments. She was forced in quarantine for the last 20 years of her life and died after about 30 years in isolation.
these ridiculous primitive ideas predate him by millennia.
Read up on Typhoid Mary. She was forced to take treatments she didn't want.
They did try to treat her.......and she was a willing partner in her treatment. She wanted to get cured. Unfortunately, she was an asymptomatic carrier of Salmonella typhi and could not be cured. Therefore, she was segregated from general population.She was a human guinea pig in that various treatments were tried unsuccessfully. You may look that up at your leisure. Thank you for conceding that she was quarantined. Again, it proves the state can do so given that it has an overriding interest in preserving the public well being. That's not "socialism". It is "police power":
In United States constitutional law, police power is the capacity of the states to regulate behavior and enforce order within their territory for the betterment of the health, safety, morals, and general welfare of their inhabitants. Police power is defined in each jurisdiction by the legislative body, which determines the public purposes that need to be served by legislation.
Police power (United States constitutional law) - Wikipedia
This, again, originates in the Anglo Saxon common law which was created HUNDREDS of years before Marx was born.
If it's a socio economic issue, OK. This is jabbing healthy people with an experimental drug and/or locking them down at will until the world is immune which is ridiculous.
So, they were socialist. Ain't that dandy........So in your mind that makes it right! Come on, you've lived long enough to know better than that, I'm sure.And they were both taught and practiced by our Founding Fathers.
The CDC????? They never acknowledged something so therefore it can't possibly be so??????(1) Disclaimer and Reminder | Senior Forums
Nothing like that has been acknowledged in any way by the CDC.
she was a willing partner in her treatment. She wanted to get cured.
Your socialist beliefs would be ok with that?
You'll be happy to know that the CDC stated in an article just today that 40,000 people will die in Florida in the next four weeks.(1) Disclaimer and Reminder | Senior Forums
Nothing like that has been acknowledged in any way by the CDC.
Yes, if the government made a law, it must be what's best for their people. Ha ha ha ha..History shows she tried to avoid treatment and used a pseudonym to hide her identity:
Mary Mallon (1869-1938) and the history of typhoid fever (nih.gov)
Correction: Americanist beliefs. Please do not resort to labelling or name calling as that is not acceptable TOS.
The law is the law whether anyone accepts it or not. The Anglo Saxon common law and the Constitution empower the government to take any or all preventive and corrective actions. This is what it did with Typhoid Mary, during the 1918 plague, and today. Failure to do so would result in needless deaths.
Yes, if the government made a law, it must be what's best for their people. Ha ha ha ha..
Pssst.......Those founding fathers.......they're all dead. Sorry, but someone had to tell you.And if our Founding Fathers were alive today they would be the first ones to endorse government's preventive and corrective actions.
Here are some great laws the governments around the world have made.........you'll see in the list just how much we can depend on our governments to see to our best interests. Enjoy!History shows she tried to avoid treatment and used a pseudonym to hide her identity:
Mary Mallon (1869-1938) and the history of typhoid fever (nih.gov)
Correction: Americanist beliefs. Please do not resort to labelling or name calling as that is not acceptable TOS.
The law is the law whether anyone accepts it or not. The Anglo Saxon common law and the Constitution empower the government to take any or all preventive and corrective actions. This is what it did with Typhoid Mary, during the 1918 plague, and today. Failure to do so would result in needless deaths.
I saw it.........but chose to ignore it for dramatic effect.Obviously, you missed the word "if".
LOL