Childless Couples....Selfish?

Thanks, SeaBreeze. That's what I get for thinking it was just understood.... Guess I gotta work on being a bit more clear . . . darn. Sheesh!

SB...once again, thanks for being the voice of reason here.

You're both welcome, I've done the same thing at times and read something in print with total misinterpretation, lol. That Guy, you don't need to work on anything, IMO. When we talk to each other in typed words, it is very easy to sound differently than you intended to in the eyes of some, no fault to either party really. Ozarkgal, I could've logged back into the forum with TG bit**ing me out for butting in and putting words in his mouth...ya never know. :love_heart:

But, I have to take this opportunity to reiterate what many of us has said in the past about the folks on this forum. We are all intelligent, respectful, humorous and mature, and I'm honored to be here with all of you. No nonsensical childish banter here, that makes people's eyes glaze over...and I'm grateful for that, or I for one would be outta here! :eek:nthego:
 

I dont think it's selfish at all, people should have the right to choose for themselves if they want a family or not, without being looked down on if they choose not to.In this Day and age I would be cautious of having children anyway.
 
Geeezzzz ... :stupid:..next time I decide to post a link to something, I better read it first, and make sure it is safe for viewing. :confused:
Sorry guys.
 

A couple of thoughts.

#1. You don't have to bear children to love and care for them. As a child I had two aunties who were childless, one a spinster and the other married. Both women were very significant influences in my life and if my mother had died both would have stepped up to care for my sister and me. Many teachers I have known have devoted their whole lives to children without ever having any of their own. I make this point because I really think the statement "it takes a village to raise a child" has a lot of validity. Selfish people are selfish by nature, not because they happen to be childless.

Which brings me to the other point.

#2. Amongst the younger generations there are all sorts of rancorous divisions between couples with and without children. First there are the "mummy wars" where stay at home mums and working mums each look down on the others for their lifestyle or economic choices about the way they parent their children. Then there are the "child free" couples who sneeringly refer to couples with children as "breeders". Self styled child free people resent children (and their noise) ever intruding into their blissful existence at the coffee shop or on a plane. They also resent paying any taxes that are destined to support children, including for school education. They don't want to be part of the village that raises the next generation in any way at all. Now that is what I call selfish - and antisocial as well.
 
Do other childless people here get unsolicited sympathy for the fact? Well meaning old dears tchtching and saying "how sad, I don't know what I'd do without my kids and grandkids" and/or, "what a shame to be alone when you get old".... aaaagh ! The temptation to 'shred' them has to be hammered down.

They are usually the same old dears who whinge about being lumbered with the grandkids who wreaked havoc in their gardens, left their houses trashed and drove them to the medicine cabinet in desperation.

Perhaps they live the fantasy of being the Earth Mother, borne aloft in adoration by her effusively grateful offspring. That's very seldom the case.

I'm sitting here rummaging through the memories of many, many aging mothers I've known who have been left every bit as 'abandoned' and isolated as I am. Except I have no bitterness about my chosen lot, they do. Big time.

My sympathy goes to those who dedicated their lives to ungrateful b*****ds of kids who left home and forgot about them when they didn't need them any more. Who found them too embarrassing to include in their social circle, or simply couldn't be bothered with them any more because there was no longer enough assistance or money to extract from them. Now that's plain tragic!

There was the widowed friend of Mum's in Sydney who doted on an only daughter who promised her the world and that she would always look after her and then met and married a man in a whirlwind romance, and moved to his ranch in Montana!

Within a little over 3 months poor Mae went from being a spoiled and fussed over mum, having all her needs catered for, to finding herself alone, and totally unable to cope, physically or mentally in an empty house. She was suddenly completely alone in the world and grieved as though her daughter had died. She had to learn to be self reliant for the first time in her life and it wasn't easy.

She still thought her daughter would send for her, still pretended that she was the center of the daughter's world, but we knew different. Over the next 12 years that daughter came home to see her mother twice. Once for a week to show her the two grandkids she'd never really get to know, and once when Mae was dying. She stayed a lot longer than week on that occasion. Long enough to sell off everything of Mae's that she'd inherited. What a shame Mae was no longer there to 'enjoy' her company! Yep kids are a real comfort in your old age aren't they?

She was only one of many older parents dumped, insulted, ripped-off for their nest eggs, and just plain abandoned by their children. Too many to document.
Talking to the oldies in the aged care hostel is enough to break your heart. I remember well the woman who bragged of having raised 10 children. Only two of them ever came to visit her at all, and only one ever took her out for a drive occasionally and had her 'home' for Xmas. Wow, that's not a good percentage is it?

To be fair I've known plenty too, who have kids who actually treat them better than they deserve to be.

It's a lottery as to whether you breed winners or booby prizes. I was never tempted to buy a ticket.
 
To be fair I've known plenty too, who have kids who actually treat them better than they deserve to be.

My three grown kids are Gems, and I am very thankful for them and how they've turned out .. everyday. People have mentioned it to me. I don't know why I'm so lucky, but I am, and I know to appreciate the great bond with them and their spouses.
 
I've always had a problem with the term "selfish" because it can represent so many different things. When I'm surrounded by starving people and I'm well-fed, not sharing my food would be selfish.

But doing something that makes YOUR life better/easier? That's just self-improvement.

I'm not at all sorry to have two wonderful sons, but at this point in my life I wouldn't consider having anymore (!) even if I could ... there comes a time when taking care of #1 is THE priority job.
 
But, I have to take this opportunity to reiterate what many of us has said in the past about the folks on this forum. We are all intelligent, respectful, humorous and mature, and I'm honored to be here with all of you. No nonsensical childish banter here, that makes people's eyes glaze over...and I'm grateful for that, or I for one would be outta here! :eek:nthego:

What she said.
 
We can't take care of anyone if we don't take care of ourselves first.

Exactly what I always taught my students.

Unfortunately the old-school model is to sacrifice until it hurts and to always put other people's needs first, so it was always an uphill battle getting my students to let go of their guilt-trips.
 
And . . . teaching that taking care of one's self first in order to be prepared to sacrifice in the care of others does not define selfishness. Selfish behavior is more on the order of narcissism.
 
My son hopped in his girlfriend's car many, many years ago at 17 and took off for a drive across the country. Suddenly, lying awake that night knowing I would never again hear his steps up the wooden walkway and key in the door, I realized I had always wanted to be a father, had done that and now it was over . . . I have missed him terribly ever since.
 
This is an old thread but, since I just got here, I wanted to add my two cents. My husband, the eldest of four children in a strict Catholic family, never wanted kids but was careful not to upset his parents by ever voicing that feeling. I never wanted kids because every ounce of my maternal instinct was drained away by flying international as a stewardess for five years with hundreds of unaccompanied children, most of whom acted out on the plane (especially the ones being shunted between divorced parents on different continents). We were thrilled to find each other and fall in love, without the burden of having to decide to have kids or not becoming a bone of contention. My mother-in-law, bless her heart, only asked me once a day every day when she was going to become a grandmother, and I used all my verbal skills to remain vague and uncommitted without saying, in so many words, that it was none of her business.

Fast forward to years of this, and she's still hoping. The poor lady died before she discovered that hubby's brother and two sisters all got married and ALSO chose not to have children.
 
I think that one of the wonders of the age is that a couple or a single can say out loud they don't want children, they don't like children or for what ever reason and it is OK. It is simply being honest. When I was a young Mum there was this ridiculous game that was played. There were folks who didn't want kids and there was a big chunk of society that was so shocked at the idea that couples just pretended they hadn't been "blessed". How daft is that. I can see nothing but harm in pushing someone into parenthood who doesn't want to be there. Completely round the bend crazy to me.
 
Two out of my three daughters have chosen not to have children. The third has one child, and is not planning on having more. Human beings are hardly an endangered species - except maybe by the stupidity of those in power!
 
My mom was yelling at my younger brother for something. She was all revved up. Going on and on. In shear desperation, she said, "I don't know why I had you!". My brother said, "That's what you get for messing around". From the look on her face, I thought she was going to really kill my brother.

When my mom was born 8+ was considered the appropriate size for the average family. By the time I was born, it was down to 2-3.
 
I have one child.. and I still got the selfish card shown to me from all the relatives who insisted that I cannot leave my child to be an only child. This was continuous, and altho' it wasn't to please them, I did have a second child, when dd was 8 years old and he died... so my Daughter was and is an only child..who is childless herself from choice.

Still that's not good enough for people.. I am sick and tired of those who insist she'll ''change her mind''... she's almost 47.. if she'd ever wanted children she's had plenty opportunity to have them before now.
 
Some time after I married, my in-laws started the "when are you going to have children" bit. I was told we were selfish. I told my in-laws that if they were ready to feed, clothe and house them we would have them right away.
That shut them up.
P.S. I have 2 wonderful sons.
 


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