Confronting Shock at an Older Age

I'm not looking for sympathy. I'm trying to find a way get through the anguish and come out of it with as much balance and poise as I can muster. As it is, getting dressed and going outside and into the world is difficult. ***

I can see the wisdom in that, thank you.

LOL. Yes, there's a lot of truth in that. :)
*** This reaction, depression, is normal whether dealing with bereavement or divorce. Seek the advice of a professional psychologist if it is debilitating, or even if you just need a non judgmental person to unload your heartache on. It will help but don't expect your condition to change overnight.
 

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I was on Wellbutrin earlier and more recently Trazodone. They work similarly though the Wellbutrin doesn’t make you drowsy. My doc decided on Traz this time because I have been having so much trouble sleeping,
What is the long term diagnose? I don't want to dig too deeply into your life but I mean does the doc see medication as permanent? Is there no psychological training that can eventually lessen the administration of medicine?
but I’m afraid of prescription sleep meds so this was a decent compromise.
I'm afraid of all medication and procedures. I take several tablets daily for fluid on my heart and lungs, I have two prosthetic knees, a pace maker, and off-the-shelf painkillers handy in case my back acts up. But do I like it? No. Am I afraid of it? Yes.
 
What is the long term diagnose? I don't want to dig too deeply into your life but I mean does the doc see medication as permanent? Is there no psychological training that can eventually lessen the administration of medicine?
At the moment, I feel like I’m going to be on antidepressants for the rest of my life. The despair and anguish I feel over the death of my child is almost impossible to bear some days, and that’s WITH medication plus therapy and group support.

Administration of the medication is entirely at my discretion. I’ve discussed that at length with my physician. I know how to titrate down if I at some point I feel like I can manage without it. At the moment that seems impossible.
I'm afraid of all medication and procedures. I take several tablets daily for fluid on my heart and lungs, I have two prosthetic knees, a pace maker, and off-the-shelf painkillers handy in case my back acts up. But do I like it? No. Am I afraid of it? Yes.
I work hard to stay away from medications. I take many supplements, eat healthily, and stay fit with gym visits and lots of walking. I have a family history of high cholesterol, and I inherited it, but managed to stay off any medication for years by way of diet and exercise, though ultimately it became unmanageable with lifestyle alone, so I grudgingly began taking a statin at the lowest possible dose.

My philosophy has always been to find the cause of the problem and treat that rather than just taking pills to manage symptoms. Because of that, it’s been a difficult decision for me when I’ve needed to start taking an antidepressant, but I’m a realist and sometimes it’s become necessary to maintain quality of life.
 

At the moment, I feel like I’m going to be on antidepressants for the rest of my life. The despair and anguish I feel over the death of my child is almost impossible to bear some days, and that’s WITH medication plus therapy and group support.
I feel your words in my heart and soul.
Administration of the medication is entirely at my discretion. I know how to titrate down if I at some point I feel like I can manage without it.
I didn't know that.
At the moment that seems impossible.
I understand.
I work hard to stay away from medications. I take many supplements, eat healthily, and stay fit with gym visits and lots of walking. I have a family history of high cholesterol, and I inherited it, but managed to stay off any medication for years by way of diet and exercise, though ultimately it became unmanageable with lifestyle alone, so I grudgingly began taking a statin at the lowest possible dose.
A difficult thing to do I'm sure.
My philosophy has always been to find the cause of the problem and treat that rather than just taking pills to manage symptoms.
I'm with you 100%. I was dating a doctor many years ago and she told me that I was naïve to think that doctoring was similar to being a mechanic, i.e. "find the cause and correct it". She said no. I disagreed with her then and I disagree with her still now. BTW, a stethoscope is as useful to a mechanic as it is to a doctor. Pin-point the problem then correct it.
Because of that, it’s been a difficult decision for me when I’ve needed to start taking an antidepressant, but I’m a realist and sometimes it’s become necessary to maintain quality of life.
I'm in the same boat. The thought of knowing that I have plastic and aluminium in my knees is sort of creepy but hey ... I can walk pretty good now! :) I'm just waiting for this divorce business to be far behind me so I can say, "Hey! I can smile pretty good now!"
 
I didn't know that. (“administration of the medication is entirely at my discretion”)
@Inept just to be clear….MY doctor, with whom I’ve had a long relationship, is comfortable allowing me to titrate down at my discretion. I can’t speak for anyone else’s.

We’ve had years together to build trust and just as I have confidence in her, she also has confidence in me as her patient, to advocate for myself, to be well informed and responsible.

Some doctors may not be comfortable giving that control to a patient.
 
I suppose growing up on a farm, being acquainted with most of the stock, watching the Stock Cows, give births, the calves grow from a calf, baby pig, lil pullet to adult, collecting eggs, feeding, haying and bedding the animals, inoculations, ringing and Castrations.

They mature, are shipped off to slaughter, wringing necks and mom butchering and freezing them, is I guess, it prepares one for deaths.
Personally, knowing many of those animals' short lives, their uniqueness.

The world turns again.
 
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I suppose growing up on a farm, being acquainted with most of the stock, watching the Stock Cows, give births, the calves grow from a calf, baby pig, lil pullet to adult, collecting eggs, feeding, haying and bedding the animals, inoculations, ringing and Castrations.

They mature, are shipped off to slaughter, wringing necks and mom butchering and freezing them, is I guess, it prepares one for deaths.
Personally, knowing many of those animals' short lives, their uniqueness.

The world turns again.
Yes.
 
@Inept just to be clear….MY doctor, with whom I’ve had a long relationship, is comfortable allowing me to titrate down at my discretion. I can’t speak for anyone else’s.

We’ve had years together to build trust and just as I have confidence in her, she also has confidence in me as her patient, to advocate for myself, to be well informed and responsible.

Some doctors may not be comfortable giving that control to a patient.
could just be a process of dulling the brain and emotions??
 
Divorce and separation IS bereavement. You must be going through very similar feelings and I wish you comfort and strength. You will come through this and learn to walk a new path. With bereavement I think you just face each day best you can, hold onto who you are and believe that things will get easier in time.
 
Something heart-warming just happened an hour ago and it put me on the edge of tears. Today is my birthday and I am shunning all mention of it. I'm just not in the right frame of mind for smiling and pretending everything is alright. But suddenly my son came to me and gave me some chocolate and a little birthday cake. That was nice but it was his words that really shook me. "No matter what happens between you and mother, I will always be your son and I will always love you. Happy birthday." I fought back my tears while we ate the cake together. Now I'm starting to cry all over again.
 
Something heart-warming just happened an hour ago and it put me on the edge of tears. Today is my birthday and I am shunning all mention of it. I'm just not in the right frame of mind for smiling and pretending everything is alright. But suddenly my son came to me and gave me some chocolate and a little birthday cake. That was nice but it was his words that really shook me. "No matter what happens between you and mother, I will always be your son and I will always love you. Happy birthday." I fought back my tears while we ate the cake together. Now I'm starting to cry all over again.
Some people say that happiness is a choice. There are life events that seem to argue that premise. I try to choose to persevere each day rather than surrender. I wish you the best and the best birthday possible.
 
Something heart-warming just happened an hour ago and it put me on the edge of tears. Today is my birthday and I am shunning all mention of it. I'm just not in the right frame of mind for smiling and pretending everything is alright. But suddenly my son came to me and gave me some chocolate and a little birthday cake. That was nice but it was his words that really shook me. "No matter what happens between you and mother, I will always be your son and I will always love you. Happy birthday." I fought back my tears while we ate the cake together. Now I'm starting to cry all over again.
Happy Birthday @Inept I hope your son's message gives you the strength to go forward into happier times. :)
 
That might be the biggest hurdle. I don't know where I want to be this time next year. I don't even know if I want to be anywhere.
Inept, a few weeks ago I went down into a black hole and didn’t want to be here on earth anymore. It’s been 4-1/2 months since hubby passed. . Scared me a lot! I pulled out after a few days. I saw that black hole when hubbys cancer metastasized and wouldn’t go away and had to go on antidepressants for 2 years. I needed them then but I don’t want them anymore. I’m not ok I know but I’m getting up everyday and muddling it on through. Some days are really really hard. Some days are ok. I just keep hoping that someday things will get better and if I can hold on a little longer.

Hold on Inept Hold on! ❤️❤️
 
Inept, a few weeks ago I went down into a black hole and didn’t want to be here on earth anymore. It’s been 4-1/2 months since hubby passed. . Scared me a lot! I pulled out after a few days. I saw that black hole when hubbys cancer metastasized and wouldn’t go away and had to go on antidepressants for 2 years. I needed them then but I don’t want them anymore. I’m not ok I know but I’m getting up everyday and muddling it on through. Some days are really really hard. Some days are ok. I just keep hoping that someday things will get better and if I can hold on a little longer.

Hold on Inept Hold on! ❤️❤️
Prayers for you. 🙏 I am sorry, can't imagine how painful the loss of my DH would be.
 
That might be the biggest hurdle. I don't know where I want to be this time next year. I don't even know if I want to be anywhere.
Inept,
I am right there with you. I understand completely what you’re feeling. I was blindsided last May with the announcement he wanted a divorce, after 27 years of marriage. He had given me roses 5 days earlier. Go figure.

And no, he didn’t leave for another woman—it’s a very long story, but basically he left over politics. He became a member of the lovely cult known as QAnon, and he moved over 1000 miles away to immerse himself in that life.

He also took tons of my money when he left, leaving me to live off my IRA. So I’m alone at 67, with my retirement dreans of traveling with my spouse gone and my many years of hard work and careful financial planning now supporting HIM in his new life as a hate-filled, pretend “Christian” who believes in stupid things like lizard people and actors impersonating politicians who’ve been executed at Gitmo. 🙄

Anyway, like I said—I get it. In the fitst six months my anger powered me through. I was also pretty numb. I leaned hard on family and friends and talked nonstop about how horrible it was.

Then I started to notice those people starting to pull back a little bit. They were rightly tired of hearing it and wondering why I couldn’t “just move on”.

You can’t. The feelings of betrayal don’t just go away!!!

I became even more immersed in my pain for the next 3 months. I’ve literally felt suicidal multiple times, yes. But I don’t act on it because I can’t devastate my family like that. They’ve had enough of their own pain without me adding more.

I have sobbed for hours at a time SO many times, to the point where I feel like I’m going to turn myself inside out. I tried a therapist, but she wasn’t a lot of help except at listening to me vent even more.

So I felt really really stuck. I didn’t see how anything would ever get better (especially since I was still so angry and bitter); and like you said, I had no idea what I wanted to do. I kept very busy during the days, but the minute i tried to lie down and sleep, all I could do was obsess. It got so bad that I called the suicide hotline 3 times.

I’ve taken to putting a comedian on my phone and falling asleep listening to that, after taking something to help me sleep. It’s the only way I can get any rest at all. Like you,, it feels like nearly everything on tv is about love/marriage/dating/divorce. So I watch things like Seinfeld over and over.

One night out of desperation I googled “how to get over betrayal”. Through that I found there’s something called “betrayal trauma”, and its symptoms closely mimic those of PTSD. It’s extreme betrayal by an intimate partner, resulting in loss of the relationship, dreams, and the future you had envisioned and planned on, plus more.

From there I actually found a therapist who specializes in betrayal trauma. I had my first session with her this week. The one nugget I took away from that was this: I was surprised by a very big, very bad event in the past. There’s an equal chance that I could be surprised by a very big, very GOOD event in my future.

I had never considered that until she said it! I wrote it on a blackboard in my kitchen and keep reading it, to limp through until I can talk with her again next week.

One thing that helped me more than I expected was cutting ties with every member of his family. I deleted them from social media, blocked them, deleted their texts and contacts from my phone.
And when I start thinking about anything relative to him, memories of him, or the divorce, I say to myself “STOP!” and then focus immediately on something that always makes me happy (in my case, a 3 yr old child I spend lots of time with).

I’m not sure I answered all your questions,or any of them. If not, just let me know and I’ll try again. Bottom line: I’m in the thick of this with you; it’s absolutely traumatic; and I sometimes feel like I have nothing to live for. But then I tell myself that’s not true, and I just have to keep putting one foot in front of the other for now, getting through one day at a time the best I can. I still cry a lot, and I feel very lonely for the support and comfort of a partner—and I feel like I’m so old at 67 that I’m too old to ever find love again. I can only hope that’s not true.

Oh—and before anyone tells me I’m better off without him, that’s true. But it doesn’t make the betrayal and lies and abandonment any less traumatic.
 
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Inept,
I am right there with you. I understand completely what you’re feeling. I was blindsided last May with the announcement he wanted a divorce, after 27 years of marriage. He had given me roses 5 days earlier. Go figure.

And no, he didn’t leave for another woman—it’s a very long story, but basically he left over politics. He became a member of the lovely cult known as QAnon, and he moved over 1000 miles away to immerse himself in that life.

He also took tons of my money when he left, leaving me to live off my IRA. So I’m alone at 67, with my retirement dreans of traveling with my spouse gone and my many years of hard work and careful financial planning now supporting HIM in his new life as a hate-filled, pretend “Christian” who believes in stupid things like lizard people and actors impersonating politicians who’ve been executed at Gitmo. 🙄

Anyway, like I said—I get it. In the fitst six months my anger powered me through. I was also pretty numb. I leaned hard on family and friends and talked nonstop about how horrible it was.

Then I started to notice those people starting to pull back a little bit. They were rightly tired of hearing it and wondering why I couldn’t “just move on”.

You can’t. The feelings of betrayal don’t just go away!!!

I became even more immersed in my pain for the next 3 months. I’ve literally felt suicidal multiple times, yes. But I don’t act on it because I can’t devastate my family like that. They’ve had enough of their own pain without me adding more.

I have sobbed for hours at a time SO many times, to the point where I feel like I’m going to turn myself inside out. I tried a therapist, but she wasn’t a lot of help except at listening to me vent even more.

So I felt really really stuck. I didn’t see how anything would ever get better (especially since I was still so angry and bitter); and like you said, I had no idea what I wanted to do. I kept very busy during the days, but the minute i tried to lie down and sleep, all I could do was obsess. It got so bad that I called the suicide hotline 3 times.

I’ve taken to putting a comedian on my phone and falling asleep listening to that, after taking something to help me sleep. It’s the only way I can get any rest at all. Like you,, it feels like nearly everything on tv is about love/marriage/dating/divorce. So I watch things like Seinfeld over and over.

One night out of desperation I googled “how to get over betrayal”. Through that I found there’s something called “betrayal trauma”, and its symptoms closely mimic those of PTSD. It’s extreme betrayal by an intimate partner, resulting in loss of the relationship, dreams, and the future you had envisioned and planned on, plus more.

From there I actually found a therapist who specializes in betrayal trauma. I had my first session with her this week. The one nugget I took away from that was this: I was surprised by a very big, very bad event in the past. There’s an equal chance that I could be surprised by a very big, very GOOD event in my future.

I had never considered that until she said it! I wrote it on a blackboard in my kitchen and keep reading it, to limp through until I can talk with her again next week.

One thing that helped me more than I expected was cutting ties with every member of his family. I deleted them from social media, blocked them, deleted their texts and contacts from my phone.
And when I start thinking about anything relative to him, memories of him, or the divorce, I say to myself “STOP!” and then focus immediately on something that always makes me happy (in my case, a 3 yr old child I spend lots of time with).

I’m not sure I answered all your questions,or any of them. If not, just let me know and I’ll try again. Bottom line: I’m in the thick of this with you; it’s absolutely traumatic; and I sometimes feel like I have nothing to live for. But then I tell myself that’s not true, and I just have to keep putting one foot in front of the other for now, getting through one day at a time the best I can. I still cry a lot, and I feel very lonely for the support and comfort of a partner—and I feel like I’m so old at 67 that I’m too old to ever find love again. I can only hope that’s not true.

Oh—and before anyone tells me I’m better off without him, that’s true. But it doesn’t make the betrayal and lies and abandonment any less traumatic.
Thanks for sharing all that. My situation is very different but you provide hope that there is help available if you dig far enough. I wish you the very best during your recovery. You deserve happiness.
 


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