Contemplating the vastness of the cosmos & is everything beyond reach?

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I must admit I'm interested in the possibilities of quantum entanglement. Apparently two quantum items once entangled will mimic each other's state instantaneously, no matter how far apart they both are. As the modern world is run on binary maths ('0' and '1') this could mean instant digital communications across vast distances in space, and would allow for the possibility of remote controlled spacecraft and vehicles just about anywhere.

If we could deconstruct matter, send it through a wormhole, and reconstruct matter on the other side, we could visit other galaxies, with less fuss than getting through airport security. But even a stargate requires an immense amount of electrical energy more than a standard rocket would require using solid fuels, so while it would be doable, the cost might be prohibitive. OK, my imagination might be getting ahead of myself.
 

I saw somewhere a radical plan for a 36 mile long spacecraft design that would be for multi-generational travel. Many generations would live and die on the spaceship before it reaches a destination, perhaps a thousand years from now. It would be like a traveling city with a thousand or so inhabitants. People would go to work, go to the park, go out dining and dancing, etc..., and life would continue as normal as possible, except your city is hurtling through space. Good luck to the budget committee getting that expenditure through.

I read a science fiction novel some years ago about a spacecraft like that that took several hundred years to reach their destination. And when they got there there were people that had left after them already there waiting on them because in the interim technology had advanced to the point where much faster travel was possible.

"What took you guys so long? It was only a three hour flight for us." :ROFLMAO:
 
There you go. Science evolves.

Speaking of which, up until my sophomore year in high school, I was taught there were 2 kingdoms of life, plant and animal. It all made sense. Just three years later in college there were 5 kingdoms of life. No one talked about the change had recently occurred, so I didn't really know what they were talking about. Life was plant or animal, and that was it! It took me years to adjust. Although the only thing that changed was how they classified living things. But this happened because our knowledge base increased.

In early elementary school a new theory about our planet had been proposed. The idea that continents drifted, broke apart, and hooked up with others to form new land masses. I remember my teacher talking about this and she gave some examples that supported the theory. She also told us about the objections to the theory. The theory of continental drift had been around before then, but mostly scorned, even by Einstein, I believe. It was somewhere around the time I graduated from college when scientists finally came into agreement that plate tectonics was a fact, and with aid of GPS could actually be detected and measured.

A degree of skepticism is always in order, but should be tempered by the evidence that supports a theory.
 
There you go. Science evolves.

Speaking of which, up until my sophomore year in high school, I was taught there were 2 kingdoms of life, plant and animal. It all made sense. Just three years later in college there were 5 kingdoms of life. No one talked about the change had recently occurred, so I didn't really know what they were talking about. Life was plant or animal, and that was it! It took me years to adjust. Although the only thing that changed was how they classified living things. But this happened because our knowledge base increased.

In early elementary school a new theory about our planet had been proposed. The idea that continents drifted, broke apart, and hooked up with others to form new land masses. I remember my teacher talking about this and she gave some examples that supported the theory. She also told us about the objections to the theory. The theory of continental drift had been around before then, but mostly scorned, even by Einstein, I believe. It was somewhere around the time I graduated from college when scientists finally came into agreement that plate tectonics was a fact, and with aid of GPS could actually be detected and measured.

A degree of skepticism is always in order, but should be tempered by the evidence that supports a theory.
In college, I took a geology course enticingly called "Space Exploration". It dealt with distinguishing meteor formed craters versus volcanic craters. Meteor formed craters featured a rock surge in the center that left a small mountain in the center.

Volcanic activity blows the lid off a mountain and lava flows that redefine landscapes. The Mount St Helens eruption happened at that time and the professor said they were completely surprised since geologist did not detect any subterranean activity just a few years before.
What was interesting about Mt St Helens was that the surrounding plant life devastated by lava flows rebounded fairly quickly.

I like tectonic plate theory because it explains fault lines and earthquakes in the vicinity.

This video about Pluto is very interesting. A lot of interesting theories about its formation andcthe formation of the solar system.

Dont miss two other videos I posted about Space Exploration...

Who Knew? Some Fun Facts

Who Knew? Some Fun Facts
 
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If we could deconstruct matter, send it through a wormhole, and reconstruct matter on the other side, we could visit other galaxies, with less fuss than getting through airport security. But even a stargate requires an immense amount of electrical energy more than a standard rocket would require using solid fuels, so while it would be doable, the cost might be prohibitive. OK, my imagination might be getting ahead of myself.

Alien life forms would need some kind of technolgy like that to be coming here. Otherwise they would need to be traveling at many thousands of times the speed of light just to get around our own galaxy that is 100,000 light years across.
 
Stated as a fact but is not a fact.

Well, it's not like I know the date and time. But the consensus seems to be that Earth will be uninhabitable in a billion years due to our sun burning off our oceans. In 4 billion years, the sun will expand and burn our planet to nothingness.

I do consider the eventual end of planet earth is a fact. If for nothing else, because our sun is busy doing sun things.

I suspect I'll be dead when all this happens.
 
Well, it's not like I know the date and time. But the consensus seems to be that Earth will be uninhabitable in a billion years due to our sun burning off our oceans. In 4 billion years, the sun will expand and burn our planet to nothingness.

I do consider the eventual end of planet earth is a fact. If for nothing else, because our sun is busy doing sun things.

I suspect I'll be dead when all this happens.
But man will have had a good run, not as successful or as long as the dinosaurs, and even less successful than trilobites, but none the less, we were here, even if there's nothing left to prove it. I love a quote I read one time, "All things go extinct."
 
But man will have had a good run, not as successful or as long as the dinosaurs, and even less successful than trilobites, but none the less, we were here, even if there's nothing left to prove it. I love a quote I read one time, "All things go extinct."

I wouldn't even attempt to guess where mankind could be in, say, 500 million years. Any guess would be pure fantasy. We have more than enough time to get to other planets etc. if need be. 500 million years is 20m generations of people. Goodness knows how evolution will impact us, let alone anything else. Either way, it's not worth our worrying about a billion years.
 
I wouldn't even attempt to guess where mankind could be in, say, 500 million years. Any guess would be pure fantasy. We have more than enough time to get to other planets etc. if need be. 500 million years is 20m generations of people. Goodness knows how evolution will impact us, let alone anything else. Either way, it's not worth our worrying about a billion years.
500 million years? Yikes! A common scientific estimate of our time on earth so far is usually around 100 thousand years, and even those early ancestors wouldn't be easily recognizable as us.
 
Arguments as some pose, that use past mistakes on various consensus science ideas of the past to cast doubt on any science, doesn't bear on the value of the scientific method to understand phenomenon, but rather reflects on a misunderstanding of how science works. There is a tendency for science news media to sometimes overemphasize controversial viewpoints as settled or overwhelmingly so, that ordinary non-science educated persons then absorb as dogma. In this Internet era, the savvy educated person can however easily dig deeper via the web.

There are a great many science ideas and parts of "theories" that we can confidently state as absolute facts. For instance, we can state that mass causes attraction through gravity as a certainty without that meaning all aspect of ideas of what gravity is and does are valid. And abstractly 2 plus 2 equals 4 with absolute certainty.

The Big Bang Theory and quite a lot of cosmology falls into that relative category, often because ordinary people like to believe experts and authorities know what they are talking about even though if most like Stephen Hawkings were directly asked about whatever, they themselves would answer in relative ways. And years later, media would blurt out they were rigidly wrong.

That noted, it is true there will always be some supposed experts, that will speak in absolute ways like a bulldog guarding a bone. One group of scientists where that tends to occur more is with those in teaching positions at top universities. When what they have been teaching others as strong truths are later found to not be, some are obviously going to be defensive about having thought so rigidly teaching others so. Live and learn.

This same human behavior isn't new nor an issue with just science. It is especially glaring with many Christian religion dogmatic ideas, like Noah's Ark being a worldwide flood or Adam and Eve being the first homo sapiens, that have in recent decades with the rise of science, been shown to be obviously ridiculous.

During my own lifetime, some of my own science leanings that were once considered fringe, are now much more mainstream such that rigid detractors can no longer use mere ridicule to dismiss ideas over. Panspermia and electromagnetic brain theories are two.

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The responses on this thread are almost exclusively male. I know that space baffles and scares me. I suspect that men are more likely to look outward and women look inward. That's painting with a broad brush but why not?
 
3 years ago, I was able to ask a question on local radio and have it answered by Dr Karl Kruszelnicki, AM (Member of the Order of Australia), Science Communicator, The Julius Sumner Miller Fellow.
I put to him the question, "Will humans every be able to travel outside our Solar System considering the enormous distances and our current speed of travel.
His short answer was YES.
Not with our current technology but when we can develop Nuclear Fusion Rockets that will enable speeds of up to 3000 km/second or 10 million kmh.
Something to look forward to
 
Boggles the mind to think when a person dies they join a creator somewhere out side our universe. Wonder how long that takes.
At work, many years ago, my line manager always took delight in mocking my belief in God and the afterlife. "Heaven must be a really big place," he teased. "You want an example of size?" I replied, "look into the night sky." He looked me in the eye, kind of smiled and said: "Good point."
 
The infinite size of the universe is daunting and fascinating. I am a huge astronomy and science fiction enthusiast.

However, as I get older I have begun to appreciate the small and local environment which I find absolutely amazing and wondrous, just like when I was a child. Nature is magical and it is easy for one to ignore or take it for granted.
 
At work, many years ago, my line manager always took delight in mocking my belief in God and the afterlife. "Heaven must be a really big place," he teased. "You want an example of size?" I replied, "look into the night sky." He looked me in the eye, kind of smiled and said: "Good point."
I'm not mocking anyones belief. Just questioning the time it would take for what ever sentient part of a dead person to travel outside our universe. Whatever belief a person has makes no difference to me. Questioning does upset some, that isn't my intention.

Supposedly a being at least 13 billion years old made heaven & earth.<--- Our universe. That means our universe didn't exist, that being would have to have been outside. No getting around the fact that if making something that didn't exist the maker would have to be outside of it.

It would take approximately 1.87 years at the speed of light to reach the outer edge of our solar system, the Oort Cloud. Using the fastest current spacecraft, such as the Voyager probes, it would take tens of thousands of years to cross the solar system, with Voyager 2 projected to fly beyond the Oort Cloud in about 30,000 years.

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There is a belief that whatever part does travel it is sentient. Other wise recognizing & joining known dead wouldn't be possible. I think it's reasonable to question how that could happen.
 

Contemplating the vastness of the cosmos & is everything beyond reach.​

That's a tall statement, what did you come up with? Is everything beyond reach? If you are referring to god as a believer or nonbeliever you may or may not be disappointed.​

I doubt humans will learn how to live together in total harmony, there will always be jealously, envy and corruption.​

Metaphysics are an interesting topic to explore.​

 
Ah the old perennial problems those who care and those who don't give a fig? are we improving or just going around in circles of natural and human disasters - don't see any discernable changes in the right direction myself?
 
The responses on this thread are almost exclusively male. I know that space baffles and scares me. I suspect that men are more likely to look outward and women look inward. That's painting with a broad brush but why not?
I noticed that too, Babs. But then, how do we know for sure who is male and who is female? šŸ˜…
 
What if mankind became interested more in the well being of each other that acquiring material security under enormous inequality?
That's a novel idea but humans are very me oriented, we compare other people's possessions and lifestyles to determine the things we want, not what we necessarily what we need.
I remember as a kid black and brown saddle-oxfords were a thing. Like sheep, all the kids wanted a pair even though they were costly compared to other shoes, I didn't want to be left out.
 


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