Countdown to the Russian invasion of Ukraine

Ukraine may not be able to stop the invasion but they can may life hell during occupation. I expect there will be a well supplied/armed insurgency. Objective would be a slow burn of body bags sent back to Putin.
 

I think Putin is only saber rattling. NATO is getting too close for comfort if Ukraine joins.
 

Murrmurr said:
I'm not so sure. It's an awful lot of rattling - way more than necessary.
In any case, our president should listen to what the Ukrainian gov't wants, and act accordingly.
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Trouble is, the US has no treaty with Ukraine since they are not part of NATO.
Support could be given but sending troops in would have to be something like the "advisors" sent into Vietnam to assist the regime of the President Diem. We all know how that developed over time.
 
Stalin was the devil himself when he committed genocide on the Ukrainian people in 1930, how can Putin possibly believe that they have forgotten what their friendly ally did to them.
 
Russia’s ambassador to the EU has said Moscow would be within its rights to launch a “counterattack” if it felt it needed to protect Russian citizens living in eastern Ukraine..

“We will not invade Ukraine unless we are provoked to do that,” said Vladimir Chizhov. “If the Ukrainians launch an attack against Russia, you shouldn’t be surprised if we counterattack. Or, if they start blatantly killing Russian citizens anywhere – Donbas or wherever.”

US officials went public last month with claims they had evidence of a plan to make a “very graphic” fake video of a Ukrainian attack.

Donbas is the region of eastern Ukraine where the Kremlin has armed and funded an insurgency since 2014 where more than 14,000 people have been killed.

It has also, in recent years, handed out hundreds of thousands of Russian passports to residents of two so-called “people’s republics”, which are no longer controlled by Kyiv.

Source: The Guardian
 
Had to read a fat book on WW I, which resulted between 12-22 million deaths...
I remember the week before hostilities actually began, the Kaiser and the Czar spent their time praying that war would not occur, when they had
finished their prayers, each leader would move more troops to their borders
 
Warrigal said:
Trouble is, the US has no treaty with Ukraine since they are not part of NATO.
Support could be given but sending troops in would have to be something like the "advisors" sent into Vietnam to assist the regime of the President Diem. We all know how that developed over time.
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Or, as happened with Vietnam, (fabricate a story about) an act of aggression against something American; human, machine, or structure.

I seriously don't see that happening. Just pointing it out.
 
Purwell said:
Well blow me! It's in the Daily Mail, must be true......cough, cough.
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Oh, please. At least the DM isn't polarized in that they take pot shots at everyone politically. And if you ignore the trashy celeb stuff, occasionally their original, deeper pieces are quite good.

In the article @hollydolly quoted, the original source--Der Spiegle--was referenced so you can use the DM piece to research further. That's a necessity these days with any news source since there is no longer unbiased journalism.
 
AnnieA said:
Oh, please. At least the DM isn't polarized in that they take pot shots at everyone politically. And if you ignore the trashy celeb stuff, occasionally their original, deeper pieces are quite good.

In the article @hollydolly quoted, the original source--Der Spiegle--was referenced so you can use the DM piece to research further. That's a necessity these days with any news source since there is no longer unbiased journalism.
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Der Spiegle has a solid reputation, and it's been around for a long time too.
 
Murrmurr said:
Yes, it was a pogrom on steroids. Most of those people were Jews.
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The Holodomor, a pogrom aimed at Jews? Granted some Ukrainian farmers were Jews, but many were not. The Holodomor was aimed at eradicating the Ukrainian family farm system and transforming it into a Russian styled collectivization, manned by Russian farm workers who replaced the murdered and deported Ukrainian families. In doings so Stalin added the "breadbasket" of Eastern Europe to his growing communist empire.

Jerusalem Post:
"Zuroff: Israel should not recognize Holodomor as genocide
The Holodomor “is definitely not a genocide,” said Zuroff, the head of the Jerusalem office of the Simon Wiesenthal Center."
... "“It was not ethnically oriented, it was economically and politically oriented – these were crimes against a particular class of people, like the kulaks – or against political opponents,” Zuroff asserted. This was not, he said, an effort “to destroy a people.”"
https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Zuroff-Israel-should-not-recognize-Holodomor-as-genocide-578308
 
mellowyellow said:
Russia’s ambassador to the EU has said Moscow would be within its rights to launch a “counterattack” if it felt it needed to protect Russian citizens living in eastern Ukraine..

“We will not invade Ukraine unless we are provoked to do that,” said Vladimir Chizhov. “If the Ukrainians launch an attack against Russia, you shouldn’t be surprised if we counterattack. Or, if they start blatantly killing Russian citizens anywhere – Donbas or wherever.”

US officials went public last month with claims they had evidence of a plan to make a “very graphic” fake video of a Ukrainian attack.

Donbas is the region of eastern Ukraine where the Kremlin has armed and funded an insurgency since 2014 where more than 14,000 people have been killed.

It has also, in recent years, handed out hundreds of thousands of Russian passports to residents of two so-called “people’s republics”, which are no longer controlled by Kyiv.

Source: The Guardian
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Yep, the Russians laid out exactly what their plans are, and once they've "counterattacked," they'll keep repeating that lie over and over until enough people (see Fox "news") join in and help propagate the lie, as they are wont to do. In fact, Tucker Carlson has already stated that we should be supporting Russia — not Ukraine, in this standoff.
 
ElCastor said:
The Holodomor, a pogrom aimed at Jews? Granted some Ukrainian farmers were Jews, but many were not. The Holodomor was aimed at eradicating the Ukrainian family farm system and transforming it into a Russian styled collectivization, manned by Russian farm workers who replaced the murdered and deported Ukrainian families. In doings so Stalin added the "breadbasket" of Eastern Europe to his growing communist empire.

Jerusalem Post:
"Zuroff: Israel should not recognize Holodomor as genocide
The Holodomor “is definitely not a genocide,” said Zuroff, the head of the Jerusalem office of the Simon Wiesenthal Center."
... "“It was not ethnically oriented, it was economically and politically oriented – these were crimes against a particular class of people, like the kulaks – or against political opponents,” Zuroff asserted. This was not, he said, an effort “to destroy a people.”"
https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Zuroff-Israel-should-not-recognize-Holodomor-as-genocide-578308
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A pogrom is not a genocide, and I didn't say that it was. Severe pogroms took place in that region during that period and after. I wasn't confusing the two, I know they are separate events. I could have written that post better, apparently.
 
Murrmurr said:
A pogrom is not a genocide, and I didn't say that it was. Severe pogroms took place in that region during that period and after. I wasn't confusing the two, I know they are separate events. I could have written that post better, apparently.
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Bottom line, beats the Hell out of me what's going to happen there, but we may find out in the next few days. I just hope we don't get too involved. A similar situation is evolving in Taiwan. Looks like the days of the US being the leading world power are drawing to a close.
 
All supposition on behalf of Russia's involvement in this thus far , however this is the headlines today....

Russia has started a 'hybrid war', it was feared tonight, as several key Ukrainian websites, including banks, government departments and the ministry of defence, were hit by a massive cyber attack.

Ukraine has been under constant attack from Russian and Kremlin-backed hackers since Moscow's 2014 annexation of Crimea.

Cyber espionage, damage to databases and servers, disruption to power and communications and disinformation are all now routine weapons in the Russian armoury.

Tonight, several major Ukrainian banks, including PrivatBank, Oschad and the State Savings Bank of Ukraine, experienced issues with transactions and mobile apps, along with other outages at the Ministry of defence and armed services websites.

Ukrainian media reported that customers were finding that their banking apps were not working and people could not pay for goods with cards.

A statement from the ministry of defence in Kyiv, released on Facebook, said they had suffered a probable DDoS (distributed denial of service) attack - a malicious attempt to disrupt a server or network by overwhelming the target with a flood of internet traffic.

The statement added: 'Scheduled technical work is currently underway on the restoration of the regular functioning of the web portal of the ministry.'

The government agency defending Ukraine against cyber wars, the Centre for Strategic Innovation and Information Security, tried to calm fears.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...defence-banks-alleged-Russian-hybrid-war.html
 
The Russian TASS news site reported that an attempted terrorist attack had been thwarted in Luhansk, a city controlled by pro-Russian separatists in the disputed Donbas region. The report claimed that the Ukrainian Defense Ministry and Ukrainian special services may have been involved.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-696579

Seems like the fake attack was leaked well ahead of Putin's plans and thanks must go to the person/persons responsible.
 
Trila said:
I hope you are right, too! 😢
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I was told by a man that the word hope is a empty word...that hope does not help anyone with reality.
World War 3 I feel as this Chinese covid19 is meant to bring ah weaken USA etc. To be able for Russia and China to hold hands in the downfall of USA ETC. AS has shown the elimination of way too many people is a kind of help to make more room it seems why hospitals are overgrown with covid-19 patients dying as 911 is called and you realize oh THE ERS are booked up. So you wait 5 hours. Now if i call a private ambulance the cost $18 000 I receive better treatment. Facts on my bill statement. 2021.
 
I heard on a radio talk show...yes, the old fashioned way....
Speculation...
Biden made a deal with Putin...for him-(B) to look good for the next election..
But..I didn't hear what Putin gets out of it.
Or... it was conjecture.🤨
 
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Packerjohn said:
It's the same ole' story. Billions of dollars to be made by those that build military killing weapons. Women, children and other innocent people going to be gassed or blown to pieces. The politicians who started it all will hide behind their computer screens while the young men will be killed. There is nothing glorious here and there are no good guys and there are no bad guys. The world is going mad. Covid19 madness will be replaced war madness. People just never learn.

If you think that shelves in your store are strangely empty, the price of motor fuel, the price of home heating and the price of groceries is going up you haven't seen anything. Wait until the war starts. Another World War will make the death toll from Covid19 look like peanuts. It will hardly be worth talking about anymore.

An intelligent test done at the end of WWI showed that 47% of soldiers were morons. This is from "The Untold History of the United States" by Oliver Stone and Peter Kuznick. By definition, a moron is "A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive." Remember, this test was done 104 years ago. I wonder what that test would show in 2022?
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My dad fought in WW2 don’t figure he would take kindly to being called a Moron,..nor would some of my Uncles…
 

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