Countdown to the Russian invasion of Ukraine

Russia..has invaded Ukraine, UK health secretary Sajid Javid said this morning, after Russian tanks, armoured vehicles and trucks were seen rolling into eastern regions overnight following Putin's orders to deploy on what he described as 'peacekeeping' missions.

A column of armoured vehicles was spotted in Donetsk, the main city of one of the two so-called 'republics', in the early hours of this morning. No insignia were visible on the vehicles, but there is little doubt they are Russian forces deployed on Putin's orders.

At the same time, Ukraine said heavy shelling broke out along nearly all 250 miles of its frontline with the breakaway provinces, leaving two of its soldiers dead and 12 injured in a major escalation in violence.

'We are waking up to a very dark day in Europe,' Javid said early Tuesday. 'We have seen that Putin has recognised breakaway eastern regions in Ukraine and from the reports we can already tell that he has sent in tanks and troops. From that you can conclude that the invasion of Ukraine has begun.'

Prime Minister Boris Johnson, speaking moments later, said a 'first barrage of UK economic sanctions against Russia' will be revealed today - though stopped short of calling last night's move an 'invasion', saying instead that Putin is 'bent on a full scale invasion.'

Before Putin's order, world leaders including Joe Biden and Boris Johnson had made it clear that any Russian incursion, no matter how limited, into Ukrainian territory would be considered a fresh invasion and spark an unprecedented flurry of sanctions.

But the word 'invasion' was barely mentioned overnight and action was limited. Joe Biden banned all new US trade with the breakaway regions but stopped far short of the 'swift and decisive' response that had been threatened. White House spokesman Jen Psaki promised more sanctions will follow later today.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...isis-Invasion-begun-Sajid-Javid-declares.html
Russia..has invaded Ukraine, UK health secretary Sajid Javid said this morning, after Russian tanks, armoured vehicles and trucks were seen rolling into eastern regions overnight following Putin's orders to deploy on what he described as 'peacekeeping' missions.

A column of armoured vehicles was spotted in Donetsk, the main city of one of the two so-called 'republics', in the early hours of this morning. No insignia were visible on the vehicles, but there is little doubt they are Russian forces deployed on Putin's orders.

At the same time, Ukraine said heavy shelling broke out along nearly all 250 miles of its frontline with the breakaway provinces, leaving two of its soldiers dead and 12 injured in a major escalation in violence.

'We are waking up to a very dark day in Europe,' Javid said early Tuesday. 'We have seen that Putin has recognised breakaway eastern regions in Ukraine and from the reports we can already tell that he has sent in tanks and troops. From that you can conclude that the invasion of Ukraine has begun.'

Prime Minister Boris Johnson, speaking moments later, said a 'first barrage of UK economic sanctions against Russia' will be revealed today - though stopped short of calling last night's move an 'invasion', saying instead that Putin is 'bent on a full scale invasion.'

Before Putin's order, world leaders including Joe Biden and Boris Johnson had made it clear that any Russian incursion, no matter how limited, into Ukrainian territory would be considered a fresh invasion and spark an unprecedented flurry of sanctions.

But the word 'invasion' was barely mentioned overnight and action was limited. Joe Biden banned all new US trade with the breakaway regions but stopped far short of the 'swift and decisive' response that had been threatened. White House spokesman Jen Psaki promised more sanctions will follow later today.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...isis-Invasion-begun-Sajid-Javid-declares.html
Well,he has only actually sent troops to the part of Ukraine (not forgetting Crimea) that he has been occupying since 2014.
He has not made any further incursion into Ukraine.
But recognising the breakaway republics is a flagrant breach of international law.
My online friend in Kyiv is very pessimistic.
She told me this morning ‘we are going to be destroyed while the world watches’
I fear for her future..not least because she will be in uniform if a wider war starts( it has been ongoing since 2014..largely ignored by the world at large).
Now is not the time to be indecisive,
Putin is a bully of the highest order.
The severest possible sanctions must be applied immediately.
Germany has already announced the suspension of Nordstream2.
I hope for the best but fear the worst.....
i have been scouring various news sites for weeks...Kyiv Post.Kyiv Independent,Ukrinform,Reuters.com,Moscow Times amongst them.
And i have webcams from various parts of Ukraine bookmarked.
You look at them and life in Ukraine continues normally.
But it is clear my Ukrainian friend who is only 23 is becoming increasingly angry and concerned she may not see 24.
Putin has to be stopped.
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Let's hope for some kind of plan coming from within Russia.......

A retired Russian general's criticism may signal a larger problem for Putin​

Retired Russian Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov, the head of the All-Russian Officers Assembly, has gone public with a statement that calls for Russian President Vladimir Putin to resign over the confrontation involving Ukraine. To remove any doubt as to his message, Ivashov, 78, followed the public statement with an interview on a liberal Russian media outlet, Echo Moskvy, insisting that he was speaking in the name of the assembly of retired and reservist Russian officers which he heads.

In the absence of an active marshal of the army — such as Marshal Georgy Zhukov, the celebrated Red Army general of World War II — a colonel-general would be the second-highest rank in the Russian army. Ivashov served as a senior aide to the country’s defense minister and as the ministry’s chief of general affairs before the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991; he subsequently held other high-ranking military posts and commands before retiring

As Michael McFaul, a former U.S. ambassador to Russia, tweeted: “This is a big deal. At one time, General Ivashov was one of the most respected (and hawkish) leaders in the Russian [ministry of defense]. Russian generals don’t usually get involved in public policy debates, especially ones like Ivashov.”

Under Putin, Russia has become an international “pariah,” he says. Its annexation of Crimea is not recognized by credible nations, and Russia is widely viewed as a rogue state because of Putin’s “criminal policy of provoking war.” The massive buildup of Russian troops on the Ukraine and Belarus borders is not to deal with a threat from the West. Rather, it is to divert attention from the internal health, demographic challenges, living-standards collapse and pervasive corruption that the Russian citizenry is suffering under the mismanagement of an incompetent Putin regime.

Adding to Ivashov’s concerns is his fear that Turkey could join with Ukraine in a military alliance if war does break out. That, of course, would be an entirely different ball game for the Russians to confront.

https://thehill.com/opinion/interna...als-criticism-may-signal-a-larger-problem-for
 
One thing left out is China is Ukraine's largest trading partner and China is spending billions in Ukraine for land and infrastructure improvements to Ukraine's deep water ports. Thus it could be stated that China would not want Russia to invade Ukraine.

However, Nordstream 2 weakens Ukraine's position and ability to collect transit fees for natural gas. This places Ukraine into needing financing, which creates a bigger opening for China's Belt and Road initiative.

NATO is clearly signaling that Ukraine will never be a part of the Western Alliance, which ultimately is the goal of both China and Russia, imo.

The China/Ukraine alliance is super interesting. I somehow missed this post earlier. Thanks for the info.
 
The China/Ukraine alliance is super interesting.
I don't expect China to jump on the save Ukraine bandwagon. This whole thing does benefit China's need for natural gas and the ability for Gazprom to easily finance pipelines to China. After factoring in foreign exchange rates, the EU was paying $5.14 @MBTU last year and is now paying $29.06 currently. Not saying Gazprom is raking in all that money, but someone is making a ton of money. This is all due to supply and demand, with demand outstripping supply. Which makes the whole pausing of Nordstream 2 odd, imo. But then, approval and adding the additional supply would bring down the price, which equates to less profit. Who benefits with Nordstream 2 paused?

In any case, Gazprom is building pipelines all over the place, with the notion of supplying China. What would really surprise most Americans is who owns big chunks of Gazprom, besides the Russian Government. Think too big to fail. Sanctions, however... will fail.
Whatever happens to the Ukraine will be a Ukraine and Russia thing, as there is nothing meaningful the west can do or rather... will do. God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference.
We don't have the courage, and can't seem to have the wisdom to understand that.
 
My dad fought in WW2 don’t figure he would take kindly to being called a Moron,..nor would some of my Uncles…
Same for my dad! I've previously disproved that 47% nonsense. The military administers an Armed Forces Qualification Test to prospective hires. "Morons" who sport IQs of 70 , or less, don't come close to qualifying.

"The US military has minimum enlistment standards at about the IQ 85 level. There have been two experiments with lowering this to 80 but in both cases these men could not master soldiering well enough to justify their costs.[112]"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient
 
I can't believe it.. he's actually gone ahead and ordered a full on attack..., and he has stated at 6am this morning on Russian tv, quote '' 'To anyone who would consider interfering from the outside - if you do, you will face consequences greater than any you have faced in history,’ :cautious:

I believe he's lost his mind ....
 
From the Guardian...

China’s embassy in Ukraine is warning its citizens there to take cover as the situation has “deteriorated sharply”, according to a post on its WeChat page. It urges Chinese citizens and Chinese-funded enterprises to take shelter, and stay indoors away from glass windows, and to keep in touch with Chinese associations and representatives in the country. Those traveling by car should make sure they are able to refuel, and if they get stuck the embassy is suggesting they affix a Chinese flag to their car.

The reason for this isn’t totally clear. China has not so far ordered or suggested its citizens evacuate from Ukraine, as other governments have done in recent days and weeks. China’s government and President Xi Jinping have been forging closer ties with Russia and Putin in recent years, and there is a lot of speculation over exactly how China will handle the invasion. We reported a little earlier today that China’s ministry of foreign affairs is so far saving its condemnation for the US and allies, accusing them of fanning tensions and inciting war, while at the same time rejecting the characterisation of Russia’s move today as an “invasion”.

The UK prime minister, Boris Johnson, said he was “appalled by the horrific events in Ukraine” and had also spoken to Zelenskiy “to discuss next steps”.

“President Putin has chosen a path of bloodshed and destruction by launching this unprovoked attack on Ukraine. The UK and our allies will respond decisively,” he said.


France’s president, Emmanuel Macron, who had made a last ditch effort to broker peace through a summit between Putin and Biden, was in contact with Zelenskiy on his mobile phone early on Thursday.

He said: “France strongly condemns Russia’s decision to wage war on Ukraine. Russia must end its military operations immediately.

“France stands in solidarity with Ukraine. It stands with the Ukrainians and works with its partners and allies to end the war.”

In a statement, Germany’s chancellor, Olaf Scholz, said: “Germany condemns in the strongest possible terms this unscrupulous act by President Putin. Our solidarity goes out to Ukraine and its people.”

The world “will not forget this day of shame”, Germany’s foreign minister, Annalena Baerbock, said.


Mario Draghi, Italy’s prime minister, who has until now been cautious over imposing the most hard-hitting sanctions on Russia, suggested the EU would be unified in an immediate and tough response.

He said: “The Italian government condemns Russia’s attack on Ukraine. It is unjustified and unjustifiable.

“Italy is close to the Ukrainian people and institutions in this dramatic moment. We are working with European and Nato allies to respond immediately, with unity and determination.”

Japan’s prime minister, Fumio Kishida, said his government strongly condemned Russia’s one-sided aggression. A virtual meeting of the G7, the world’s seven biggest economies, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the UK and the US, is scheduled for later on Thursday.

The prime minister of Belgium, Alexander De Croo, said his country strongly condemned the Russian attack on Ukraine, describing the moment of invasion as “Europe’s darkest hour since the second world war”.

He said: “This Russian aggression is unnecessary and unprovoked. Our hearts and minds are with the people of Ukraine.”

Shortly after reports broke of explosions near Kyiv, the US president, Joe Biden, accused his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, of choosing a “premeditated war that will bring a catastrophic loss of life and human suffering”.



“The prayers of the world are with the people of Ukraine tonight as they suffer an unprovoked and unjustified attack by Russian military forces,” he said.

“Russia alone is responsible for the death and destruction this attack will bring, and the United States and its allies and partners will respond in a united and decisive way,” Biden said. “The world will hold Russia accountable.”



Ursula von der Leyen and Charles Michel, the presidents of the European Commission and European Council, issued a joint statement in which they promised financial and humanitarian assistance for Kyiv and vowed to “impose massive and severe consequences on Russia for its action”.

Von der Leyen said Putin was responsible “for bringing war back to Europe”, describing the Russian leader’s behaviour as “barbaric”, as she outlined the scale and scope of the punitive measures planned.

She said: “We will hold President Putin accountable for that. With this package, we will target strategic sectors of the Russian economy by blocking their access to key technologies and markets.

“We will weaken Russia’s economic base and its capacity to modernise. In addition, we will freeze Russian assets in the EU and stop the access of Russian banks to the European financial market.”
 
I can't believe it.. he's actually gone ahead and ordered a full on attack..., and he has stated at 6am this morning on Russian tv, quote '' 'To anyone who would consider interfering from the outside - if you do, you will face consequences greater than any you have faced in history,’ :cautious:

I believe he's lost his mind ....
He sure loves to wield his power. I don't know how you stop someone like this with no morals, just an enormous greed. He's like a Bond villain wanting to rule the world.
 
Interesting how that Russianization came to be. The process, a Ukrainian holocaust, came to be known as the Holodomor.

"1930 -- 1.5 million Ukrainians in the countryside fall victim to Stalin’s “dekulakization” policies, Over the extended period of collectivization, armed dekulakization brigades forcibly confiscate land, livestock and other property, and evict entire families. Close to half a million individuals in Ukraine are dragged from their homes, packed into freight trains, and shipped to remote, uninhabited areas such as Siberia where they are left, often without food or shelter. A great many, especially children, die in transit or soon thereafter.
The remaining farmers are hounded to give up their land, livestock, and equipment and join the collective farms. As the traditional structures of rural livelihood disintegrate, the religious clergy are demonized and arrested or deported, and their churches destroyed or repurposed for grain storage or other secular use."
https://holodomorct.org/holodomor-facts-and-history/
What, Putin forgot to mention this!
 
I don't expect China to jump on the save Ukraine bandwagon. ... This is all due to supply and demand, with demand outstripping supply. Which makes the whole pausing of Nordstream 2 odd, imo. But then, approval and adding the additional supply would bring down the price, which equates to less profit. Who benefits with Nordstream 2 paused?


We don't have the courage, and can't seem to have the wisdom to understand that.
I've read that Gazprom's product is poor quality. Be that as it may, it's delivered unrefined. I forget who refines it, so I'll have to look it up...but
Do you know?

Re; courage and wisdom, seems like all the old 4 & 5-star admirals & generals have been in a head-nodding rut since the early 90s - "Russia's been tamed, China's no threat" and too few of their underlings and advisors recognize that they let their guard down, and we should have prepared for this escalation of events as soon as The Wall came down. We're at least 2 decades behind on this, imo.
 
Ukrainian troops have shot down five Russian helicopters, destroyed dozens of tanks and captured dozens of troops in the first hours since Vladimir Putin ordered his forces to invade this morning.

Kiev's military is far inferior to its Russian counterpart with an air defense system and air force dating back to the Soviet era.

But NATO and the US, despite deploying soldiers to neighbouring Romania in recent months, have made it clear that no troops will be sent and left the Ukrainian military to hold off the assault alone.

By Thursday afternoon, battles were ongoing in Kiev, along the northern border with Belarus, in Luhansk and Donetsk in the east and around Kherson, the Dneiper River, and the port cities of Odessa and Mariupol in the south.

Few expect Ukraine to emerge victorious from what is almost certain to be a prolonged, bloody, and vicious war - but so far, Kiev's forces have managed to inflict heavy losses on Putin's troops.

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Ukrainian forces have claimed to have shot out of the air at least four Russian KA-52 Alligator attack helicopters during a battle for Gostomel air base. A fifth helicopter (pictured) was forced to make an emergency landing at the field under heavy fire

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Ukrainian forces detain servicemen of the self-proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic who were captured during the morning attack on the town of Schast'ye
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Servicemen from the self-proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic were captured by the Ukrainian military this morning, hours after Russia launched an invasion of the country

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The crew of a Russian BMP fighting vehicle are seen face-down with jackets pulled over their heads (left) after being captured by Ukrainian forces
 
@hollydolly

"But NATO and the US, despite deploying soldiers to neighbouring Romania in recent months, have made it clear that no troops will be sent and left the Ukrainian military to hold off the assault alone."

This "promise" is rarely kept. Neither NATO nor the US and allies will show their cards in advance. Ukraine has been supplied with heavy military equipment and weapons and more is on it's way.

"Few expect Ukraine to emerge victorious from what is almost certain to be a prolonged, bloody, and vicious war - but so far, Kiev's forces have managed to inflict heavy losses on Putin's troops."

I'm a bit more optimistic. I've seen some really angry Ukrainians over the past few days. I'm more concerned with what happens in the South China Sea over the coming months. Fingers crossed we have intel on the recent meeting between Putin and Xi.
 
@hollydolly

"But NATO and the US, despite deploying soldiers to neighbouring Romania in recent months, have made it clear that no troops will be sent and left the Ukrainian military to hold off the assault alone."

This "promise" is rarely kept. Neither NATO nor the US and allies will show their cards in advance. Ukraine has been supplied with heavy military equipment and weapons and more is on it's way.

"Few expect Ukraine to emerge victorious from what is almost certain to be a prolonged, bloody, and vicious war - but so far, Kiev's forces have managed to inflict heavy losses on Putin's troops."

I'm a bit more optimistic. I've seen some really angry Ukrainians over the past few days. I'm more concerned with what happens in the South China Sea over the coming months. Fingers crossed we have intel on the recent meeting between Putin and Xi.
I agree...I'm rooting for the Ukrainians, I thing they were prepared for this and they'll fight with everything they have ..Putin is going to know he's been in a fight regardless of the outcome IMO
 


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