Damn whistle blowing troublemaker, then posts videos too.

Senenity said:
Immigrants breathe new life into communities where the rate of new life is dwindling in our masses.

The newbies should be helped to assimilate by volunteer groups or organizations instead of being left to figure it out on their own.

Once settled, immigrants contribute to our economy, not only by filling gaps in our labour force and paying taxes, but also by spending money on goods, housing and transportation.
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The key missing word here is "legal." Legal immigrants do these good things.
 

SeniorBen said:
It may be true, but it's from a disreputable source, so I didn't even bother to read it. The guy who wrote it is an election denier, for craps sake. Why do you post these links? If what's in the article is true, why not cite a more respectable source?
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Just curious, SeniorBen, are MSNBC or CNN "reputable" sources? Because they are staffed with election deniers (regarding the legitimacy of the 2016 election) and people who fall for ridiculous hoaxes (Covington Kids, Jussie Smollett, Bubba Wallace, UVA fraternity rapes, Andrew Cuomo, Hunter Biden laptop a Russian intelligence plant, so many others.)

Remember Michael Avenatti? How about "election denier" Stacey Abrams? These are the people who get (or in Avenatti's case, got) all the airtime they want on left cable. Avenatti appeared on CNN and MSNBC 108 times. Before going to jail.

Who can forget CNN and the "fiery but mostly peaceful" protests in 2020? Baghdad Bob would have been proud.

I don't watch Fox myself, but Fox's left wing counterparts are just as bad in their own ways.
 
Nemo2 said:
And France too, (among others...Greece, Italy, et al), I believe.........and as long as they're referred to as 'migrants' rather than 'illegals' the general public will remain confused as to the actualities.
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Being politically correct is why the term illegal doesn't appear ahead of the word migrant. Somehow defining those entering illegally has been muted to make it seem less intrusive.
 

Warrigal said:
This thread reminds me that in the 1950s Australians of British descent like my parents complained bitterly about the continental delicatessens. They objected to the smell of garlic and the salamis hanging up in the shop. They could not believe that anyone ate raw cabbage and were astonished by sauerkraut.

Later the same objections were made about the smell of curry wafting out of flats occupied by families from the subcontinent.

Sydney is a gateway city for immigrants and where I live that is particularly true. Each wave of new migrants bring new customs and new cuisines. It takes them a while to blend in but their children and grandchildren become our children too. Cities like Sydney and Melbourne offer restaurants featuring what was once exotic food and they are very popular with us 'dinkum Aussies'.
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The problem in the US is that the immigration process sucks. It's bloated, unbelievably bureaucratic, and seems endless. I have a buddy who immigrated from the UK and it took 10 years from the time he applied for citizenship to the day they handed him a little plastic flag and he took his vows...and he'd already lived here for 12 years by that point. You have to live and work here for 9, and you can't get a work visa until you've been here for 2 to 3, depending on your skills or education-level or history and the country you're from.

Our immigration process is ridiculous. And it's expensive unless the immigrant is poor and huddled, know what I mean? US taxes pay for it if you're coming here with nothing, and I've got nothing against that, but the US needs to speed the process up by about 1,000%. The longer it takes, the more it costs.

Ever since the feds joined the INS with Homeland Security (after 9/11/01) there's just too many desks: stopping points with bottomless in-baskets.
 
Warrigal said:
It is a curious thing that when Soviet era Russians would defect to the West and ask for asylum they were welcomed with open arms no matter how they arrived. The paperwork was expedited to allow them to stay. The Girl in the Red Bikini is a case in point - Red Bikini Girl (1979) – Nostalgia Central

People fleeing persecution in Myanmar or China have been held in immigration detention. Heavily pregnant women have been deported from Australia to China, knowing that the pregnancy would be forcefully terminated because they already had the one child permitted under the One Child Policy.

It is clear that some 'illegal' immigrants are acceptable and others are rejected, yet both groups have the potential to contribute to society if given a chance.
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9/11 changed all that.

Well, the red-tape already started getting increasingly worse during the time you're talking about, and that's mainly because the FBI and CIA decided to start ....um.... we'll say "vetting" people. Especially certain ones. Ones with a very special set of skills who might be willing to mmm....partner with them.

Well, pretty soon that just complicated everything to do with immigrating.

And then Homeland Security was formed, and worse, then it "partnered" with the INS. And that move was basically like building The Wall.
 
We absolutely need more legal immigrants. People with skills, education, and the ability to support themselves and make a contribution to society.

Many, many of the people who come here illegally work hard, stay out of trouble and try to get ahead. But they're taking advantage of a broken system, and they are overwhelming many of the towns and cities to which they gravitate.

As to the scenes at the Row hotel, that's more or less human nature. The fault is with the broken system that jams people into high end hotels because it doesn't know what else to do with them.
 
JimBob1952 said:
We absolutely need more legal immigrants. People with skills, education, and the ability to support themselves and make a contribution to society.

Many, many of the people who come here illegally work hard, stay out of trouble and try to get ahead. But they're taking advantage of a broken system, and they are overwhelming many of the towns and cities to which they gravitate.

As to the scenes at the Row hotel, that's more or less human nature. The fault is with the broken system that jams people into high end hotels because it doesn't know what else to do with them.
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I'm kind of glad. I mean, there's an up-side, maybe. Maybe congress will force the INS/HS to streamline the system on a massive scale.

It's the shite that it takes a whistle-blower, but thank gorky that's not illegal in the US.
 
SeniorBen said:
That's from Fox "news" and written by an election denier. In other words, it's total B.S.

And part of the story is a feature from Laura Ingraham's show. She's a White Supremacist.
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By the way, you're confusing Jeffrey Clark, Fox News reporter, with Jeffrey Clark, former DOJ official and Trump co-conspirator in election denial. Two different people.
 
JimBob1952 said:
By the way, you're confusing Jeffrey Clark, Fox News reporter, with Jeffrey Clark, former DOJ official and Trump co-conspirator in election denial. Two different people.
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Sometimes it seems as if pesky little things like the truth are totally overlooked and don't matter one li'l iota. 🙄 (We need a "shaking my head" smilie/icon.) It's like "don't confuse me with the truth, I'm trying to make a point for my political agenda." Glad you pointed this out, @JimBob1952
 
Warrigal said:
@hollydolly

Illegal doesn't always mean unworthy.

One of my great grandfathers was an illegal immigrant from England.
His parents had a cottage in Brixton.

He jumped ship in Sydney in 1872 from HMS Dido (a naval ship) and married an Australian woman.
Reading the police gazette from that time, he was one of many. There was a £3 reward for anyone who turned him in to the authorities but he escaped to capture and produced four sons, including my grandfather who served in the Boer War and WW I with distinction.
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@Warrigal Is it too late to claim the reward? ;):)
 
CallMeKate said:
Sometimes it seems as if pesky little things like the truth are totally overlooked and don't matter one li'l iota. 🙄 (We need a "shaking my head" smilie/icon.) It's like "don't confuse me with the truth, I'm trying to make a point for my political agenda." Glad you pointed this out, @JimBob1952
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Just having fun with SeniorBen, my (I hope) friendly adversary on these pages and a good soul. Heck, we even agree on things sometimes.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Just having fun with SeniorBen, my (I hope) friendly adversary on these pages and a good soul. Heck, we even agree on things sometimes.
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Yes... I was talking about political discussions in general, not this particular one or about Ben. :) It happens every time a political discussion comes up whether on a forum, social media, "in person"... Topic can be guns, immigration, abortion, the administration.... on and on. When people have an opinion on something, "the truth" rarely makes a difference. Or maybe I'm just jaded.
 
All of my great grandparents were from Ireland and faced signs like "No Irish Need Apply" and were not allowed to rent homes. Unless one is a Native American, one descends from immigrants. AND one must question the source of Fox News/Entertainment.
 
Classicink said:
All of my great grandparents were from Ireland and faced signs like "No Irish Need Apply" and were not allowed to rent homes. Unless one is a Native American, one descends from immigrants. AND one must question the source of Fox News/Entertainment.
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Yes, and all of your great grandparents (and mine -- I'm Irish as well) came here legally at a time when the US was actively seeking immigrants.

And the Native Americans immigrated here also, albeit much longer ago.

And one must question all sources, especially cable news on left or right. Fox is biased but so are CNN and MSNBC.
 
Senenity said:
I am referring to the newbies or the illegal ones. How many people want to come here and start all over again. Especially the professionals.
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By your spelling of "labour" I'm guessing you're from the UK or Canada. You folks are free to do as you please. The US cannot handle 2.5 million illegal immigrants per year. Hell, we can't handle anything right now. We can't keep eggs on the shelves or planes in the air.
 
Classicink said:
All of my great grandparents were from Ireland and faced signs like "No Irish Need Apply" and were not allowed to rent homes.
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As was mine... they fled Ireland during the Great Potato famine.. and settled in the highlands of Scotland ( Ireland was part of Great Britain then) .. building crofts.....thousands of them.. and then came the great Highland clearance, and they found themselves homeless, and ended up migrating into the cities.. but they all had jobs, tey created job where there was none.. all worked, . no-one claimed dole or free housing.. not that , it was available at the time.. but they created living spaces for themselves until they could afford better..

They never left.. and I'm the living proof that my great granparents were here, and my grandparents, my parents .. and me and my siblings .. All Scots descended from Irish immigrant Grandparents..
 
JimBob1952 said:
Yo, SeniorBen, this is from CBS News

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/new...of-dollars-worth-of-food-is-tossed-out-daily/

And from local ABC news

Tons of food tossed daily at migrant hotel The Row in Midtown, workers say - ABC7 New York (abc7ny.com)

Remember, if Fox News says the sun is going to shine tomorrow, it's probably true. Even if it's Fox News.
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True, just like a stopped clock is right twice a day.

My point was that people shouldn't accept what they read on faith alone. It should come from a legitimate source for facts.

The author of that article has promoted the idea that the last presidential election was stolen and illegitimate, for which there is no legitimate basis in fact. So I have no use for anything he has to say, even if some of it might be true.

People who use right wing propaganda as their source for facts are just blind followers and are one of the main reasons for our country's decline.
 
JimBob1952 said:
By your spelling of "labour" I'm guessing you're from the UK or Canada. You folks are free to do as you please. The US cannot handle 2.5 million illegal immigrants per year. Hell, we can't handle anything right now. We can't keep eggs on the shelves or planes in the air.
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if you can't handle it.. just imagine how hard it is for us.. We're an Island smaller than Oregon, with already close to 70 million of a population.( that we know about).. and probably at least 2 or 3 million more... and boat loads coming in every single day.. :(
 

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