Do you believe you live in a racist nation?

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The question "Do you live in a racist nation?" is so unclear that it's meaningless.

If it means the official laws of our nation, our Constitution, etc. are racist, no, they are not. The U.S. Confederacy was racist. The old laws of South Africa were racist. (And maybe still are, for all I know.) But the U.S. is not officially racist, just the opposite.

If it is asking whether racism largely still exists, of course it does.

Please clarify the question.
 

I'd venture to say if you, or worse, your young child, was on the receiving-end of 'the N. word' and various other examples, that you wouldn't consider it a matter of 'choosing to believe.'
Well, yeah, I did write that we do have racists in this country, but that fact alone does not make us a racist nation. If our government somehow violated the rights of a class of our society, then that would make us a racist nation. Just because someone calls me a n----r, does not make the nation a racist nation, however, if the government would pass a law stating that everyone would be receiving a stimulus check, except those of the Jewish religion, then that would indeed make this a racist nation.

I had an incident some years ago with a white man and a black man walking down the street in a small town that was probably 100% white. The white man yelled to the black man, who was across the street, "Hey n----r, get out of our town. The small borough did not have a police department, so the call went to the state police, which was me. After I took the man's complaint, I thought that perhaps, I had a hate crime or at the very least, a case of making a Terroristic Threat.

When I got back to the barracks and wrote up the complaint and handed it to my Sergeant, he read it over and told me that I had misapplied the law. I argued my case by stating that the black man was frightened that harm would come to him if he didn't leave the borough immediately, so he did. He was actually there to take pictures of a house that was going to be listed to sell. The Sgt. agreed and told me to send it onto the D.A.'s office.

A few days later, I received a call from the County D.A. telling me that I had misapplied the law, but again, I was able to make a case for the black man. I told him (the D.A.) that I was convinced that the black man was scared for his safety. His voice was quivering when he spoke to me and he was very nervous and sweating. The D.A., after interviewing the complainant agreed to take it to court. The judge, after listening to both sides, (this was a non jury trial), decided to toss the case. He cited some other precedents in the law books and ended by saying that had the man actually made a threat of violence, it would have been a different case. IOW, had the white man said, "Hey n----r, get out of our town or I'm going to blow you away. Then, I would have had a case. Actually, I would have had a Civil Rights Case. So, I was educated on that day, as we in the state police say.

So, I could not tell you with 100% accuracy that the whole little borough is racist because of one man's comment, but they do have at least one racist living among them. Does that make sense to you? I don't like to stigmatize a town because of just one person's stupidity. Same here in the U.S. Just because we have maybe a few million racists, we cannot call this a racist nation because the government does treat each person the same, although sometimes we disagree with that, or there are consequences. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was supposed to make black, white, yellow and red all equal under the law. Since that time, there have been a few more amendments added to it to make it stronger.

I remember a time in our history when a white man didn't have to sell his house to a black man. Under the Fair Housing Amendment of 1988 that's no longer a choice. Looking back, it's hard to believe that people were actually making those kinds of choices.
 
If you saw the picture of my Dad and his brother here....They never in my life was racist....Uncle Art was in the war....I never anytime did I here
him be racist....My Dad was in the National Guard and brought home anyone, what ever the person was Black, Jewish, Italian or any other race...
When Rochester came to our home for dinner, I never thought he was different,,,,He was Rochester!!! That's how I was brought up....
My Dad brought home his National Guard friends that were born in another country....Sometimes I didn't know what they were saying....
But they were decent people....I have a couple of cousins that are white and married Black woman....Went to one of there weddings....

So, many people thought my Dad was Black....He was Italian...As far as I know....My Mom was white...Some of my family that are Italian...
are very dark....Who knows what generation they were from.....WHO CARES...… I loved everyone of them...They are all in Heaven....

So I took a "stupid ancestry" It seems I have so many different countries, I'm supposed to have in my ancestry....It was funny to me...
The one that was real funny was "Russian"....I don't know where that came from.....
 

My grandfather didn't like me dating an Italian as he was in Italy during the second world war. When overhead bombing went down he hid in a shed filled with oranges and as kids we would torment him by peeling an orange in front of him. We were very very young. He met an Italian woman called Anna who he wanted to bring home and find work for her . She was referred to as Anna the piana because we were told that she would run her fingers up and down his back (seriously - that's what we were told) o_O He was a kind man and not rascist and on reflection he may simply have disliked me dating at 16 years of age rather than the boy being Italian. Perhaps because I knew about grandfather being in Italy and some of the things that went on there, it was me that had jumped to that conclusion. Food for thought :unsure:
 
People who have been victims of racism (job discrimination, housing discrimination, ethnic slurs, shunned/excluded based on skin color) don't need to "choose" to believe that something is racist.

Some people can find all kinds of reasons to "justify" their racist behavior including but not limited to rioting, looting, and the OJ acquittal. and how tired they are of all the "PC crap".
Ho hum, everyone has a story, and a list of excuses. :rolleyes: 💤
 
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If you saw the picture of my Dad and his brother here....They never in my life was racist....Uncle Art was in the war....I never anytime did I here
him be racist....My Dad was in the National Guard and brought home anyone, what ever the person was Black, Jewish, Italian or any other race...
When Rochester came to our home for dinner, I never thought he was different,,,,He was Rochester!!! That's how I was brought up....
My Dad brought home his National Guard friends that were born in another country....Sometimes I didn't know what they were saying....
But they were decent people....I have a couple of cousins that are white and married Black woman....Went to one of there weddings....

So, many people thought my Dad was Black....He was Italian...As far as I know....My Mom was white...Some of my family that are Italian...
are very dark....Who knows what generation they were from.....WHO CARES...… I loved everyone of them...They are all in Heaven....

So I took a "stupid ancestry" It seems I have so many different countries, I'm supposed to have in my ancestry....It was funny to me...
The one that was real funny was "Russian"....I don't know where that came from.....
But, this is not what decides if a person is a racist or not. I have attended community meetings where racism has been discussed. A man and lady were in attendance at one of the meetings They suggested that police should go back to walking the beat and get to know the people on their beat. This would not apply to the state police because we do not have beats to watch over. Many city police were in attendance. Most favored doing that, but then the question arose about response times to emergencies. To my way of thinking, I thought why not have a task force that answered to all emergencies, but allow the cops to walk their beat. I can remember being a little boy and having a cop walk by our house twice a day.

Later, as time passed on, it was necessary to put cops in cars for response time. During the midnight shift, big city cops had two cops in a car. Like in NYC and LA. The state police mainly watched over the highways, but boroughs were running out of money to support their own police department, so they handed their crimes over to us, the state police.

Getting back to being a racist. (I sometimes get side-tracked because to me, these are serious and important issues, so I have a 1000 thoughts running around in my head.) Anyway, if you have ever had a negative thought about a person of color, you could be considered a racist. This is where the terminology came from “That you don’t have to be white to be a racist.” If you have said the ‘n’ word in a negative manner or if you have told a racist joke, even something so simple as, “There was a white guy, a black guy and an Indian sitting in a bar. And so on.) This could be considered racist.

Trying to live our lives to be PC 100% of the time will drive us nuts. Sometimes, we just have a slip of the tongue, not meaning anything racial, but it can be taken that way. Another Trooper and I were discussing our kids in school and I asked him how was his boy doing in track. (This kid could run like the wind and actually got a fully paid scholarship to Maryland.) Little did I know, he took offense to me calling his son a boy. I never meant nothing more than what it was supposed to mean. I apologized to him and he was OK with it, but I could tell he was hurt. From then on, I tried to avoid him. I didn’t want to have another miscue and have to apologize for something that I thought was trivial.

But, that comment made me a racist. It’s a stigma that doesn’t go away. It’s like crossing a union picket line and being a scab. My dad would always tell me that once you’re a scab, you’re always a scab. Or, a drug addict or alcoholic. Once you are one of those people, you remain one of those people. This is the way life operates. The proof is in the pudding, or so I have heard. During O.J.’s trial, Mark Fuhrman was asked if he ever said the ‘n’ word. He truthfully replied, “Yes.” He was then labeled a racist and has been ever since. I know Mark through attending FBI investigation courses in Virginia. Mark is a very intelligent and decent human being, but he messed up and now he pays for it. Such a shame to lose a good cop.
 
I'm a bit confused. I know the post was 'do you believe you live in a racist nation' but I often find people write or say I'm not racist, I have a friend .... or my neighbours are .....lovely people, or I work with ...... . I worked on a paper for equal opportunities in higher education and sometimes I throw that out as if I'm justifying I'm not racist. This happened in an incident where we were in a pub and a black guy who had been drinking was challenging a number of people and came up to my table and let's just say was not very pleasant and accused me of being racist to which I responded that I had worked with the Equal Opportunities Commission in regards to Education. Unless anyone can tell me differently I am not racist but I do believe we live in a racist society which takes many forms whether religious, skin colour, ethnicity etc etc. I care for those individuals who are equally caring for others ( ooh guess I might be referred to as a snowflake). I nearly added in,
that my potential brother in law was a headmaster but still teaches and comes from Jamaica. Why do we do this? Hope I haven't upset anyone that is not my nature.
Anyway I will just add that if I'm honest I prefer animals, !!!!! ☺
 
The question "Do you live in a racist nation?" is so unclear that it's meaningless.

If it means the official laws of our nation, our Constitution, etc. are racist, no, they are not. The U.S. Confederacy was racist. The old laws of South Africa were racist. (And maybe still are, for all I know.) But the U.S. is not officially racist, just the opposite.

If it is asking whether racism largely still exists, of course it does.

Please clarify the question.

Sunny, look again. I think the question asked in the topic title is VERY clear.
 
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What do you think the riots are all about. It's racism. BLM.
I'm not saying the whole country is racist. I'm saying it exists.
What do I think the riots are all about? What riots? There are no riots going on right now. What is happening now is that we have several groups of morons tearing down statues. That’s right. I’m not being unkind by saying that these people are morons. I am being serious. They truly are morons.
 
What do I think the riots are all about? What riots? There are no riots going on right now. What is happening now is that we have several groups of morons tearing down statues. That’s right. I’m not being unkind by saying that these people are morons. I am being serious. They truly are morons.
You might have a different definition, but in my opinion when a 'protest' is violent, it's a riot... especially when instigators state that's their purpose.
 
During O.J.’s trial, Mark Fuhrman was asked if he ever said the ‘n’ word. He truthfully replied, “Yes.” He was then labeled a racist and has been ever since.

911, you are wrong about this. Very wrong.
Mark Fuhrman responded "No" that he had NOT used the N word. Then F. Lee Bailey presented testimony and recordings which proved Fuhrman to be a LIAR.
 
Sunny, look again. I think the question asked in the topic title is VERY clear.
It isn't clear, Applecruncher, not the way it was worded. Before answering, I would need to know if the OP was asking if the official principles of this nation are racist, or if this is a country where many (obviously not all!) people hold racist views.

I would say no to the first, yes to the second.
 
People who have been victims of racism (job discrimination, housing discrimination, ethnic slurs, shunned/excluded based on skin color) don't need to "choose" to believe that something is racist.

Some people can find all kinds of reasons to "justify" their racist behavior including but not limited to rioting, looting, and the OJ acquittal. and how tired they are of all the "PC crap"
Ho hum, everyone has a story. :rolleyes:



"based on skin color) don't need to "choose" to believe that something is racist."

Wrong, just plain wrong ........it is based on the behavior [or lack of] of people that just happen to be of a certain color.........

Change their behavior , not their skin color, and everything, I mean everything will improve ..... overnight.
 
OT (forgive me, I'm Irish), but interesting;
My Dad was a boxer too
Also a light weight (actually welter weight)
Won some
Ended up with one good eye (detached retina...from boxing)
He too was my hero

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We had friends of many backgrounds
Color or lineage was never considered


You may have something there, Em

My dad taught me well
OOH Gary O' you look so sweet what happened!!!! (joke) Aah lovely lovely photo with your dad. Sad about dad's eye but guess that is what happens in boxing - wish it didn't :(
 
What do I think the riots are all about? What riots? There are no riots going on right now. What is happening now is that we have several groups of morons tearing down statues. That’s right. I’m not being unkind by saying that these people are morons. I am being serious. They truly are morons.
They are tearing down statues and you don't know why and the riots are over but you don't know why they took place? I'm done here.
 
What do I think the riots are all about? What riots? There are no riots going on right now. What is happening now is that we have several groups of morons tearing down statues. That’s right. I’m not being unkind by saying that these people are morons. I am being serious. They truly are morons.
I get you...You are absolutely correct....Yes, the morons made the Riots....At first it was peaceful walking in the streets then it got to be a riot...

The morons came in....I won't say who they were....Then it became an apademic….We've had this in our country for a long time....
Someone, I won't say, is moving this.... They've been in our country for a very long time...It's a Cult!!! They don't want the USA....
They want the country their way....I'm old, but I have kids that are growing up in this country....They couldn't go to school, they can't
go out anywhere, they can't see their friends.. People lost their jobs....What da heck!!!!…..It's a conspiracy....

Sorry, I'm an old Woman and have lived a very long time.....
 
Now ..... lets' talk about the 3 or 4 that were killed locally by other blacks last week.
Haven't you noticed whites kill each other too?
eta--I've noticed people kill other people. All the time. Bad habit. Listen to the words of Captain Kirk.
 

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