Doc wont see patients if no vax

John cycling said:
You can't, because all of them are contaminated with well known poisons.
Ryan Cole, M.D. - "Covid-19 Vaccines and Autopsy" <--
Numerous reports of Covid-19 vaccination deaths and failures. <-- plus CDC coverups of the deaths.



The basic truth of this whole fiasco is that the imaginary virus has never been isolated.
Therefore, saying that people died from it can't be true either. And I've never found any evidence that anyone has.
The statement on virus isolation, <--
A look at Koch's Postulates <-- and virus isolation;
A complete refutation <-- of the whole virus theory house of cards.
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Where did you get the information that the virus has never been isolated, John? How in the world could anyone have come up with a vaccine for something they hadn't isolated? And why would they be spending so much time, effort, and money on a vaccine for a virus that's imaginary?

Can you also tell us what you believe is the cause of our hospitals' being filled? I live in Florida and work with a group of hospitals and I can tell you first hand that things are very, very bad. What are all of these people in ICU for?
 

Irwin said:
The anti-vaxxers are now imposing their will on others:

In southern Georgia, for example, anti-vaccine activists (oftentimes colloquially referred to as “anti-vaxxers”) tracked down on social media health workers who were part of a vaccine clinic. Once online, those individuals harangued those workers with hostile messages, filling their pages with misinformation about vaccines, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported.​
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At another clinic held in the northern part of the state, vaccine workers decided to halt their event altogether following harassment by anti-vaxxers. After staff said they felt threatened by protesters who were yelling at them, organizers realized that anyone else who came to get a vaccine that day would feel similarly. Not wanting to put people seeking a vaccine in that position, the staff decided to close the event early instead.​
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So much for valuing "personal choice."
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They are angry, hostile and confused.....bad combination. They affect others in more negative ways than actually spreading the deadly virus.
 

Nathan said:
I hope you are kidding @John cycling ,what ridiculous garbage! But, if BitChute material is your brain rot of choice for shaping your world view, at least inform the audience here that: "BitChute is a video hosting service launched by Ray Vahey in January 2017. It is known for accommodating far-right individuals and conspiracy theorists, and for hosting hate speech " Wikipedia
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I was just looking at that link of his, can't believe he's seriously posting these cheesy sites as valid info. Reveals a lot about who he is and how he thinks, I need not say more.
 
I've had 2 Covid 19 vaccine shots and no adverse effects at all - not even a temporary sore arm - same as everyone else in the community I know.
Good lord, I've had so many vaccinations in my lifetime for everything from polio to yellow fever and much, much more. With all that 'poison' shot into my veins you'd think I'd either have two heads by now or be dead long ago :unsure: Oh, and by the way; I've never contracted any of the diseases or viruses that I've been vaccinated for.
 
Becky1951 said:
Stress me out again?? :ROFLMAO:

No you didn't use the word defect. However if there is something in their genetic makeup that isn't working correctly that's a defect.

That would be true in natural immunity as well. Considering her sister's severe anemia isn't the same issues other family members are having then I doubt its genetic. I may be wrong, maybe they are all having severe anemia issues, but don't remember reading that.

You gave your opinion, I gave mine. 🌹
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I usually avoid members whom I know to have some form of illness. Your laughing emoji tells me you're fair game but your rose emoji says you want peace.

Anyway, there's no point arguing. Im unversed in genetics and I'm not going to argue from ignorance. However, let me just clarify one thing.

Scientists are now looking into genetic variations as the possible reason for the different reactions to the vaccine. You and I have different genetic make up and may react differently to the vaccine. It doesn't necessarily mean either of us have genetic defect. Hope that make sense.
 
Irwin said:
Here's the truth about Japan halting the use of the Moderna vaccine:

TOKYO, Aug 28 (Reuters) - Two people died after receiving Moderna Inc (MRNA.O) COVID-19 vaccine shots that were among lots later suspended following the discovery of contaminants, Japan's health ministry said on Saturday.​
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The vaccine was contaminated. That is why its use was suspended.
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Thanks for saving us the trouble of googling that. Some people are spewing disinformation like a smoker blowing chains of smoke rings.
 
Dancing_Queen said:
I expect court cases, too; after all, we're extremely litigious about everything even if the cases are frivolous. However, we need to note that employers practically "own" employees. If there are no violations of state or federal laws, employers can do whatever they please. And in "right to work" states they can fire people for any reason or no reason without even giving a reason unless there's a contract with stipulations about this.
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What you mean is "at will" states. "Right to work" means a person can not
to be forced to join a labor union or pay union dues as a condition of employment.

They are two very different things.
 
I got the Pfizer vaccines and my sister got the Moderna ones -- not that we chose different vaccines, but we got the one that was being given at the vaccination sites to which we were referred depending on when we came up on our state's Department of Health's priority list. I got mine a month sooner than she did because I am older.

Anyway, neither of us had any reactions to speak of, and we don't know of anyone else who had any negative reaction, either.

I'd also like to point out that just because someone has a negative reaction to a vaccine does not mean there's anything wrong with the vaccine itself, any more than someone having a violent reaction to peanuts means there is anything wrong with peanuts.
 
Butterfly said:
I got the Pfizer vaccines and my sister got the Moderna ones -- not that we chose different vaccines, but we got the one that was being given at the vaccination sites to which we were referred depending on when we came up on our state's Department of Health's priority list. I got mine a month sooner than she did because I am older.

Anyway, neither of us had any reactions to speak of, and we don't know of anyone else who had any negative reaction, either.

I'd also like to point out that just because someone has a negative reaction to a vaccine does not mean there's anything wrong with the vaccine itself, any more than someone having a violent reaction to peanuts means there is anything wrong with peanuts.
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I don't know of anyone who became seriously ill from Covid - or anyone who even got Covid. That doesn't mean Covid is not a big deal for anyone; like any illness, it can be very serious or deadly for some.
Good point about peanuts. I have known some people for whom peanuts and shellfish can be fatal. And the only way they could find out about their allergies was by almost dying. That's the only way to know. Maybe that's what concerns people who don't want the Covid vaccine. And it's their right & no one else's.
 
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I just know that here in the Med Center in Houston the ICU beds are filled with covid patients that did not get their shots. Surgeries are being put off because there are no beds, regular and ICU ones. I know because of the 2 nurses that live here in the complex and what they are finding at their work. It also is reported widely here on the local news. I am thankful that all of my family have had their shots and we will get the booster when our 8 months is up.
 
Vaccination media: Our vaccines are completely safe and no one is dying from them.
Intelligent people: The vaccines are dangerous and many people are suffering and dying because of them.
Vaccination media: No they aren't. Check out our misinformation campaign and our CEO fact checking sites.
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Vaccination media: Millions of people are dying from an imaginary virus;
Intelligent people: No they aren't. You're making up all those lies in your media.
Vaccination media: No we aren't. Check out our many propaganda media connections for proof.
 
John cycling said:
Vaccination media: Our vaccines are completely safe and no one is dying from them.
Intelligent people: The vaccines are dangerous and many people are suffering and dying because of them.
Vaccination media: No they aren't. Check out our misinformation campaign and our CEO fact checking sites.
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Vaccination media: Millions of people are dying from an imaginary virus;
Intelligent people: No they aren't. You're making up all those lies in your media.
Vaccination media: No we aren't. Check out our many propaganda media connections for proof.
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Apparently you consider yourself to be in the class of "intelligent people", perhaps you are intelligent, but the media sources you feed your brain from don't reflect that "intelligence" that you claim.
 
Butterfly said:
What you mean is "at will" states. "Right to work" means a person can not
to be forced to join a labor union or pay union dues as a condition of employment.

They are two very different things.
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You're right, Butterfly. I misspoke. Thank you for correcting me. An "at will" state is what I defined above while using the wrong term.

"At-will means that an employer can terminate an employee at any time for any reason, except an illegal one, or for no reason without incurring legal liability. Likewise, an employee is free to leave a job at any time for any or no reason with no adverse legal consequences.

"At-will also means that an employer can change the terms of the employment relationship with no notice and no consequences. For example, an employer can alter wages, terminate benefits, or reduce paid time off. In its unadulterated form, the U.S. at-will rule leaves employees vulnerable to arbitrary and sudden dismissal, a limited or on-call work schedule depending on the employer’s needs, and unannounced cuts in pay and benefits."

It seems that this was written in 2008 at which time Montana was the only state that wasn't at-will. I'd have to search around to see if that's still the case. I haven't dealt with this since about 2000.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/at-will-employment-overview.aspx
 
John cycling said:
Vaccination media: Our vaccines are completely safe and no one is dying from them.
Intelligent people: The vaccines are dangerous and many people are suffering and dying because of them.
Vaccination media: No they aren't. Check out our misinformation campaign and our CEO fact checking sites.
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Vaccination media: Millions of people are dying from an imaginary virus;
Intelligent people: No they aren't. You're making up all those lies in your media.
Vaccination media: No we aren't. Check out our many propaganda media connections for proof.
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If the virus is imaginary, what happened to all those people we've been burying? Or were they imaginary people? I knew some of those imaginary people who died of the imaginary virus.

I don't know how any rational person can deny that the virus exists, or that it has caused an enormous death toll and suffering around the world.

"Completely safe?" I don't think I've ever heard anyone say the vaccines are completely safe. Nothing is completely safe. Asprin isn't completely safe; eating dinner isn't completely safe; penicillin isn't completely safe, yet it has saved millions of lives.

Some may have died from reactions to the vaccines, but that number is infinitesimal when compared to the millions the virus has killed and is still killing.
 
The UK nurse guy has an interesting video on the comparative risks of side effects of shots versus getting sick. And apparently the delta is so infectious we are all going to be exposed eventually (hopefully not all at once tho!).

 
Butterfly said:
I'd also like to point out that just because someone has a negative reaction to a vaccine does not mean there's anything wrong with the vaccine itself, any more than someone having a violent reaction to peanuts means there is anything wrong with peanuts.
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That's such a good point and we don't hear it spelled out often enough. Quite a few people have had bad allergic reactions to penicillin but look at all the lives it saved. I know it saved mine a few times. What a shame it would have been if we'd shelved penicillin because some people were allergic to it.
 
Della said:
That's such a good point and we don't hear it spelled out often enough. Quite a few people have had bad allergic reactions to penicillin but look at all the lives it saved. I know it saved mine a few times. What a shame it would have been if we'd shelved penicillin because some people were allergic to it.
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The difference is, penicillin is not used unless there is already an infection - unlike a vaccine which is used to prevent an illness before there is one. When antibiotics are overused, (as they have been), they create bacteria that are resistant.
https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/antibiotic-overuse.html
 
win231 said:
The difference is, penicillin is not used unless there is already an infection - unlike a vaccine which is used to prevent an illness before there is one. When antibiotics are overused, (as they have been), they create bacteria that are resistant.
https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/antibiotic-overuse.html
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Which is of course the whole point of vaccines and why they are such a boon to mankind. How much harder and more tenuous our lives would be if we were still having to deal with smallpox, diphtheria, whooping cough, polio, yellow fever, rabies, etc., etc., etc.
 
Butterfly said:
Which is of course the whole point of vaccines and why they are such a boon to mankind. How much harder and more tenuous our lives would be if we were still having to deal with smallpox, diphtheria, whooping cough, polio, yellow fever, rabies, etc., etc., etc.
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Most people (like myself) who don't trust the Covid vaccine have no problem with the vaccines you mentioned.
As a child, I have a vague memory of eating a pink-colored cube of sugar at the doctor's office, which I heard later was for polio. I've never had a polio shot. I've never had a smallpox, diphtheria, whooping cough or yellow fever vaccine. I do remember getting a measles shot when I was 9 & my mother took me to Europe with her.
The individuals who say "Anyone who doesn't want a Covid vaccine is an "Anti Vaxxer" are simply trying to make them appear as kooks or paranoid. The real reason is they are "Controllers" who gain confidence from others who make the same decisions they make, and their anger comes from them already being unsure of their decision.
 
Buckeye said:
I know this is hard for you to understand, but what makes you an anti-vaxxer isn't your vaccination status - it is your never ending posts about the evils of the vaccination, and the lies and mistruths about Covid. Kook and Paranoid? Your words, not mine. And your attempts to explain the motivation for folks who call you out is totally wrong. It isn't about control or being unsure. It is about saving lives and your refusal to understand that you are putting lives in danger by your ignorant posts and your apparent glee at doing so.
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These anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers are like suicide bombers. They're willing to sacrifice their own lives for their ideology.
 
Instead of beating around the bush and using fake names, let's call it what it is.
As a healthy person who doesn't put poison in my body, I am anti-poison, i.e. an anti-poisoner.
Therefore, I'm an "anti-poison putter in my body-er," which includes not getting poisonous vaccinations.

I have to laugh at the inane comments about healthy people like me being mislead, when those of you
casting dispersions are the same ones who can't wait to inject yourselves with poisons to "save" yourselves.
 
Dancing_Queen said:
It seems that this was written in 2008 at which time Montana was the only state that wasn't at-will. I'd have to search around to see if that's still the case. I haven't dealt with this since about 2000.
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It's still "at will" until the probationary period is over. One of the 1st cases I read while boning up on employment law was Monge v. Beebe rubber Co.
 

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