Fatal shooting - argument in parking lot

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applecruncher said:
Wrong.

Drejka was yelling and cursing, told the woman to move her f'kin car...this is backed up by witnesses, one of whom went to get McGlockton. Drejka can be seen on the video gesturing.

I know you want to paint Drejka as a polite citizen who cares about the handicapped :rolleyes:, but it's not gonna fly. Not here, and not in court.
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Wrong!....every police officer / investigator will tell you , an eye witness is just about the most unreliable evidence there is.

In a criminal case, if I didn't see it, or hear it, it didn't happen.
 

rgp said:
Wrong!....every police officer / investigator will tell you , an eye witness is just about the most unreliable evidence there is.

In a criminal case, if I didn't see it, or hear it, it didn't happen.
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The video feed shows him to be making such a spectacle of himself that people entering and exiting the store were clearly stopping to take notice of him. It appears that the cameras corroborate the witness statements.
 
rgp said:
Exactly, and I'll note a fine point you presented.

"will the state prove he wasn't in fear of his life?"

How in the world can we the people or the state 'prove' anyone's emotional state? IMO it is impossible . He reacted to the threat, under the states SYG law, and was a licensed CCW holder. Did he 'over-react' ? I do not know...I wasn't there. And again, who is qualified to & how do we determine such a thing?
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If any law stands or falls on something that cannot be proved nor disproved, then it is surely bad law because it is meaningless.
 

I just watched the video on youtube.
This case will be debated and tried and settled however I can't get past the fact that that little boy watched his dad die in front of him in that store. My heart is broken for him.
 
Warrigal said:
If any law stands or falls on something that cannot be proved nor disproved, then it is surely bad law because it is meaningless.
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OK, that's your opinion, But!...the law was in place at the time of the incident. If you or others oppose the law?...Then there is a system in place to set about changing it. We cannot just ignore it, or set it aside because we 'wish' it didn't apply....In this case it surely is meaningful.
 
hearlady said:
I just watched the video on youtube.
This case will be debated and tried and settled however I can't get past the fact that that little boy watched his dad die in front of him in that store. My heart is broken for him.
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Tragic for sure. Let me ask this, how do you feel about him being 'brought-up' by parents that display ignorance, arrogance, & no respect for the law? Not to mention a total disregard for the special needs of those so, so, less fortunate ?
 
CLEARWATER, Fla. -- Officials, in court documents, have cited three other drivers who said Michael Drejka threatened them during confrontations that preceded his parking lot run-in with Markeis McGlockton -- a case that revived debate over Florida's "stand-your-ground" law. Two of them said he displayed a gun.

A black man who drives a septic truck told Pinellas Sheriff's Detective George Moffett that he parked in the same handicapped-accessible spot three months before McGlockton's July 19 videotaped shooting, the court documents show. The man said Drejka, 48, began yelling at him and said he would shoot him.

The driver said he left, but as he pulled away, Drejka shouted racial slurs. The man's boss told Detective Moffett that Drejka later called, telling him "that he was lucky he didn't blow his employee's head off."

In separate 2012 cases, drivers reported that Drejka waved a gun at them during road rage confrontations. In both cases, officers stopped Drejka and found a gun in his car, but he denied showing it to the other drivers.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stand-...say-michael-drejka-had-confrontations-before/


 
applecruncher said:
CLEARWATER, Fla. -- Officials, in court documents, have cited three other drivers who said Michael Drejka threatened them during confrontations that preceded his parking lot run-in with Markeis McGlockton -- a case that revived debate over Florida's "stand-your-ground" law. Two of them said he displayed a gun.

A black man who drives a septic truck told Pinellas Sheriff's Detective George Moffett that he parked in the same handicapped-accessible spot three months before McGlockton's July 19 videotaped shooting, the court documents show. The man said Drejka, 48, began yelling at him and said he would shoot him.

The driver said he left, but as he pulled away, Drejka shouted racial slurs. The man's boss told Detective Moffett that Drejka later called, telling him "that he was lucky he didn't blow his employee's head off."

In separate 2012 cases, drivers reported that Drejka waved a gun at them during road rage confrontations. In both cases, officers stopped Drejka and found a gun in his car, but he denied showing it to the other drivers.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stand-...say-michael-drejka-had-confrontations-before/
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All hearsay...why were these incidences not reported at the time they reportedly happened ?

Besides, they have no baring on this case.

Perhaps we should stick to the facts surrounding this case.
 
^^Haha!
Perhaps you should read the parts that say all incidents WERE reported at the time they happened and police became involved.

They do have a "bearing" on the current case.

Nice try. :whome:
 
applecruncher said:
^^Haha!
Perhaps you should read the parts that say all incidents WERE reported at the time they happened and police became involved.

They do have a "bearing" on the current case.

Nice try. :whome:
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Really?...how did they know it was Drejka ? Did he announce his name as he was doing this? I doubt it. Is it on video? Just because someone says it was the same man , doesn't make it so. Again, eye witness unreliability .
 
The police reports say that it was Drejka. Without sufficient evidence, the prosecution would never bring manslaughter charges. Or do you believe that there is a worldwide conspiracy against Michael Drejka, who shot and killed an unarmed man in full public view, captured on video for all to see? There really were lots of other people who looked exactly like Drejka, creating nearly identical incidents? Or all those other people who witnessed him creating similar incidents prior to this one, are simply lying?

If you really believe this, I have a bridge in Brooklyn... but I have a feeling you just like to argue.
 
Sunny said:
The police reports say that it was Drejka. Without sufficient evidence, the prosecution would never bring manslaughter charges. Or do you believe that there is a worldwide conspiracy against Michael Drejka, who shot and killed an unarmed man in full public view, captured on video for all to see? There really were lots of other people who looked exactly like Drejka, creating nearly identical incidents? Or all those other people who witnessed him creating similar incidents prior to this one, are simply lying?

If you really believe this, I have a bridge in Brooklyn... but I have a feeling you just like to argue.
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The police reports say it was Drejka in this incident........

Who says it was him in the others that were noted? Where is the proof in those cases? Without it, it is hearsay.
 
Rpg, I don't feel good about any of it and like I said it's hard to get past that picture of a kid watching his dad die. That doesn't mean I think it's ok to park in handicapped spots.
 
hearlady said:
Rpg, I don't feel good about any of it and like I said it's hard to get past that picture of a kid watching his dad die. That doesn't mean I think it's ok to park in handicapped spots.
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LOL!!...here we go again...it's RGP......

Anyway once again, tragic as that is!...that does not make him guilty under the laws in place & on the book, at the time of the incident.

From here it is just a matter of opinion, as to what [say] a juror will see on that video. And how said juror interpret's it.

We here on S/F are divided on whether he should have been arrested & charged. Well the same is true @ the professional level. At the beginning the Sheriff decided not to arrest, after sometime, the local prosecutor decided he should be arrested. That is why I say it is so important to take / keep emotion out of it, and stick to the facts , provided by proof .

Frankly, I'm not real pleased with the conflict between the sheriff & the prosecutor. In our system, the arresting authority is supposed to be law enforcement, [the police] then they build a case & present it to the prosecutor, the prosecutor ponders the evidence then decides whether to continue to charges & arraignment .

In this case it sounds too me like the prosecutor may have overstepped his position, bowing to public pressure.

Would you want to be prosecuted on my emotion / opinion?

What's next, a prosecutor handing out tickets for traffic offences ?
 
A couple of points.


For hearlady. McGlockton didn't die in front of his son. He ran into the store,collapsed and died later in the hospital. That doesn't diminish the fact the child lost his father, only makes a factual correction.

Two road incidents that happened in 2012, no charges filed & nothing since doesn't suggest a pattern of violence. 3 months before this. A black man according to the article was approached and drove away. Nothing but words no violence. That man drove away unlike the driver that didn't move to the open spaces that were clearly visible.

Manslaughter is the charge. In the video McGlockton came out and immediately assaulted Drejka, McGlockton didn't stop to question what was going on.
From the web site applecruncher provided.
Video of the July incident showed McGlockton leaving the store and shoving Drejka to the ground. Seconds later, Drejka pulled a handgun and shot McGlockton as he backed away. McGlockton then ran back into the store clutching his chest. Witnesses said he collapsed in front of young Markeis, who was waiting inside. McGlockton later died at a nearby hospital.
the lawyer added a racial element.
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"All of America is watching Clearwater, Florida to see if there will be equal justice for Markeis McGlockton ... If the facts were in reverse, nobody would doubt what the outcome would be."
True America is watching but poorly informed on what a charge of manslaughter involves. I think the family lawer understands the unprovoked assault by McGlockton weighs in favor of Drejka.


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"They understand when you look at the history of the state of Florida and stand your ground that this doesn't equal a conviction."
Provocation is a key element.
McGlockton was told apart from what was taking place he wasn't directly provoked by Drejka.

IMO it's cases like this where a law is put in place with good intent. Tweeking it as unforseen situations arise are why America is watching.
 
Hey Gang. Facts=Things that have happened.

Lets face it..........If that stupid driver hadn't parked illegally, None of this other stuff wouldn't have taken place ! I'm referring to the woman driver.
 
Prosecutors say Drejka initiated the confrontation. They're right.

Some people are tripping all over themselves looking for someone to blame other than Michael Drejka.

Blame the woman who parked in handicap spot.
Blame the owners of the store for having a business in that location.
Blame it on the Bossa Nova.

One person is to blame for the death of McGlockton: Michael Drejka. He shot him.
 
applecruncher said:
Prosecutors say Drejka initiated the confrontation. They're right.

Some people are tripping all over themselves looking for someone other to blame than Michael Drejka.

Blame the woman who parked in handicap spot.
Blame the owners of the store for having a business in that location.
Blame it on the Bossa Nova.

One person is to blame for the death of McGlockton: Michael Drejka. He shot him.
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Wrong!....it all started with the woman parking in the handicapped spot....That cannot be denied , I don't care what the prosecutor says.

As Falcon already noted , it started there, had she not, none of this would even be, being discussed.
 
rgp said:
Wrong!....it all started with the woman parking in the handicapped spot....That cannot be denied , I don't care what the prosecutor says.

As Falcon already noted , it started there, had she not, none of this would even be, being discussed.
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Remember wayyyyy back when I brought up root cause.?
The most basic reason this all would have not happened.
If the woman driver had parked in one of the open spaces none of what took place would have taken place.
Those hell bent on making this about what took place and ending in the death of McGlockton can't deny that. Or maybe they would and be wrong, but they have the right to deny reality.
 
Knight said:
Remember wayyyyy back when I brought up root cause.?
The most basic reason this all would have not happened.
If the woman driver had parked in one of the open spaces none of what took place would have taken place.
Those hell bent on making this about what took place and ending in the death of McGlockton can't deny that. Or maybe they would and be wrong, but they have the right to deny reality.
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Agreed....Most deniers are operating on emotion only. Anyone that denies reality should really be a concern to all.
 
There is a long chain of events here. Plenty of sliding doors to consider.

Had not the car been parked in a disabled space, the outcome would have been different
Had not Drejka decided to berate the driver, had he minded his own business, the outcome would have been different.
Had the bystander not decided to alert McGlockton of the situation in the car park, the outcome could have been different.
Had McGlockton not rushed outside to defend his family, the outcome could have been different.
Had he not shoved Dreika, the outcome could have been different.
Has Dreika not fallen to the ground, the outcome could have been different.
Had Dreika not been armed, the outcome could have been different.
Had McGlockton been armed, the outcome could have been different.

All of the above are hypotheticals. They did not happen.

What did happen is that an argument about misuse of a parking space set aside for handicapped drivers led to the death of a man.
The shooter is relying on the SYG statute. He may be right, but the matter must be tested in court, otherwise there will be many more deaths like this by people who choose to provoke arguments with intent to shoot someone.
 
Warrigal said:
What did happen is that an argument about misuse of a parking space set aside for handicapped drivers led to the death of a man.
The shooter is relying on the SYG statute. He may be right, but the matter must be tested in court, otherwise there will be many more deaths like this by people who choose to provoke arguments with intent to shoot someone.
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IMO it is an inflammatory stretch of what took place to say that there was ever an intent to shoot someone.

The fact is that Drejka did not pull out a weapon until he was assaulted by McGlockton.

IMO McGlockton had no right to put his hands on Drejka during what was up to that point a petty verbal confrontation.

This incident more than any other makes me think of this quote:

"Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery." - Malcolm X
 
Sorry rgp. Such little letters, such bad eyes.

Yes, knight, I saw that after the fact that McGlocktin died at the hospital. Thank you for correcting.

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